Saying you are without sin verses in 1 John

[1stCenturyLady]

You are redefining sin brother and listen to this, sums you up perfectly.

Do not insult me by saying read the bible more friend.
J.

cc: @savedbygrace1

I've seen this recording before. Are you saying you uphold this garbage? What really irks me is the brainwashed audience laughing at his mocking the power of God to take away all unrighteousness, and laughing at the idea of sinlessness. That is antichrist. (Not THE Antichrist, but antispiritual/antiJesus 1 Cor. 2:9-16.)

I've literally sensed demons coming in and out of one of his books - "Strange Fire"

 

[1stCenturyLady]

JW’s are not Christians because they reject the Trinity. A person cannot worship a false god and be saved. That would be false or idol worship. They deny the deity of Jesus Christ. Jesus warned if you do not believe I am he, you will die in your sins. The word “he” is not in the Greek. They deny the person and deity of the Holy Ghost, as well. They deny the bodily resurrection of Christ. They deny the substitutionary atonement of Christ, as well. Again, these are all salvific issues that are very serious. So no. They are not true Christians.

Many people believe that, and I can't fault them. I just remember when I was Spirit-filled and around 40 years old, and while reading the Bible, a verse hit me, and I wrote on the side of the page "JESUS IS GOD." Not knowing that did not hinder my supernatural relationship with God. I could hear His voice, saw visions, and 100% of my prayers were answered. So I WAS a Christian at the time, though I had been taught that Jesus emptied himself of his divinity before coming to earth. However, I NEVER believed like JW's that Jesus was created. They have read He was the firstborn of creation, and misinterpreted that verse in Hebrews. But it actually meant, ruler over all creation.

 

[Johann]

cc: @savedbygrace1

I've seen this recording before. Are you saying you uphold this garbage? What really irks me in the brainwashed audience laughing at his mocking the power of God to take away all unrighteousness, and laughing at the idea of sinlessness. That is antichrist. (Not THE Antichrist, but antispiritual/antiJesus 1 Cor. 2:9-16.)

I've literally sensed demons coming in and out of one of his books - "Strange Fire"

I listen to truth, since you have not listened to the clip and what is promulgating, yet I have to put up with your nonsense.
J.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

In my heart, I don't want to commit adultery, I don't want to steal, bear false witness, covet, take the Lords name in vain etc. It isn't a case of 'do not', just a case of in my heart I don't want to do those things.

That is correct, but can you hate, have lust, all the core issues that cause those sins of lawlessness. That is what must be written on your heart - rightousness. DO RIGHTEOUSNESS. Be a slave to righteousness. Your laws are just the tip of the iceberg of God's eternal laws not found in the Ten Commandments.

 

[savedbygrace1]

That is correct, but can you hate, have lust, all the core issues that cause those sins of lawlessness. That is what must be written on your heart - rightousness. DO RIGHTEOUSNESS. Be a slave to righteousness. Your laws are just the tip of the iceberg of God's eternal laws not found in the Ten Commandments.

You do know lust breaks the tenth commandment don't you? I must be far more sensitive to sin than you are, for you can sin without conscience can't you. That normally speaks of a hardened heart

 

[ChristisGod]

You felt that i was talking about you in the post.
I see.
And im on many forums., but not just that.

By definition doing the same thing daily ( checking in on a forum ) makes on a " junkie " , an "addict" so to speak.

 

[Jim B]

By definition doing the same thing daily ( checking in on a forum ) makes on a " junkie " , an "addict" so to speak.

How often are you here? I see your name regularly.

 

[Jim B]

You do know lust breaks the tenth commandment don't you? I must be far more sensitive to sin than you are, for you can sin without conscience can't you. That normally speaks of a hardened heart

The tenth commandment: “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that belongs to your neighbor.” Where is lust -- very strong sexual desire -- here?

 

[savedbygrace1]

The tenth commandment: “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that belongs to your neighbor.” Where is lust -- very strong sexual desire -- here?

Do try and contemplate on what is written:
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. Rom7:7

Thou shalt not covet, thou shalt not desire what is not yours to desire, thou shalt not have impure thoughts, thou shalt not lust

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I have witnessed a lot of things on forums, but nothing like this.

Interesting how none of the supporting scripture references I provided had no effect on you.

Perhaps because you are fully leavened with men’s traditional teachings rather than the teachings that come from God in the holy scriptures.

Matthew 15:6

 

[ChristisGod]

How often are you here? I see your name regularly.

lately more like daily but more often I check in weekly.

 

[savedbygrace1]

The tenth commandment: “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that belongs to your neighbor.” Where is lust -- very strong sexual desire -- here?

Why do you think Paul stated the ten commandments are the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation? Because you have to obey the law relating to the inner man, the law no one but you and God need know you break. These people who preach being sinless, do not obey that law, they just excuse it

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I have witnessed a lot of things on forums, but nothing like this.

Stop listening to John Macarthur.

Listen to the King James Bible.

 

[ScottA]

You are under the doctrine of once saved always saved. But the truth is we must endure to the end. Yes, we are on the path to salvation which is the narrow path, but we must stay there and grow in the fruit of the Spirit towards PERFECTION, not just salvation. Peter wrote that it is written, "be holy for I am holy." That is a long way from your idea of salvation.

2 Pt. 1:8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

Why argue against having "passed from death to life" as the scriptures say, when only one without understanding would do such a thing?

 

[Johann]

That is correct, but can you hate, have lust, all the core issues that cause those sins of lawlessness. That is what must be written on your heart - rightousness. DO RIGHTEOUSNESS. Be a slave to righteousness. Your laws are just the tip of the iceberg of God's eternal laws not found in the Ten Commandments.

It has nothing to do with "habitual" sinning, with the addition of the word "practice" to the Word of God, making it NOT the power of God to NEVER commit willful sinning, but our own self-effort and willpower. A heresy.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I have witnessed a lot of things on forums, but nothing like this.

Not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you supporting MacArthur (A Calvinist), or are you disagreeing with him?

MacArthur pretends to teach holy living as a requirement for salvation, but he really does not believe that way according to the Bible. The Lordship Salvation doctrine he popularized is a Trojan horse.

How so?

Well, Kenneth Nally committed suicide as per his influence of John MacArthur's ministry and MacArthur said that he was still saved.

Here is a quote from an article:

"At the trial, MacArthur, 45, is seeking to clarify his church’s teaching on suicide. “It’s not only a sin, it’s illegal,” he says. “But we teach that even if a believer takes his own life, the Lord will still receive him into His presence.”​

Article Source:
Fundamentalist Clergymen Face Charges of 'Malpractice' When a Parishioner Turns to Suicide

John MacArthur says that a person can take the mark of the beast and they can still be saved afterwards. Listen to this audio clip by him here:

https://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/audio/macarthur-take-mark.mp3​

John MacArthur says,

".. sin does not result in spiritual death for the believer ...
(The MacArthur Study Bible, p. 1927, comment on James 1:15)"​

John MacArthur confirms how one can sin and still be saved here in this video:

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Looks like you went back to Calvinism.

 

[Johann]

Stop listening to John Macarthur.

Listen to the King James Bible.

Listen to truth
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.


Lusteth against (epithumei kata). Like a tug of war. This use of sarx as opposed to the Spirit (Holy Spirit) personifies sarx. Lightfoot argues that epithumei cannot be used with the Spirit and so some other verb must be supplied for it. But that is wholly needless, for the verb, like epithumia, does not mean evil desire, but simply to long for. Christ and Satan long for the possession of the city of Man Soul as Bunyan shows.


Are contrary the one to the other (allēlois antikeitai). Are lined up in conflict, face to face (anti̇), a spiritual duel (cf. Christ’s temptations), with dative case of personal interest (allēlois).
That ye may not do (hina mē poiēte). “That ye may not keep on doing” (present active subjunctive of poieō).
That ye would (ha ean thelēte). “Whatever ye wish” (indefinite relative with ean and present subjunctive).
Robertson

Cannot do (μὴ ποιῆτε)
A mistake, growing out of the misinterpretation of ἵνα noted above. Rather, each works to the end that ye may not do, etc.
The things that ye would (ἃ ἐὰν θέλητε)
The things which you will to do under the influence of either of the two contending principles. There is a mutual conflict of two powers. If one wills to do good, he is opposed by the flesh: if to do evil, by the Spirit.

Rom 13:13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
Rom 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Does this mean a Christian is incapable of committing a misdeed?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I see you prefer fleshly wisdom over scriptural wisdom.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Many people believe that, and I can't fault them. I just remember when I was Spirit-filled and around 40 years old, and while reading the Bible, a verse hit me, and I wrote on the side of the page "JESUS IS GOD." Not knowing that did not hinder my supernatural relationship with God. I could hear His voice, saw visions, and 100% of my prayers were answered. So I WAS a Christian at the time, though I had been taught that Jesus emptied himself of his divinity before coming to earth. However, I NEVER believed like JW's that Jesus was created. They have read He was the firstborn of creation, and misinterpreted that verse in Hebrews. But it actually meant, ruler over all creation.

Again, the Bible teaches you cannot worship false gods and be saved.