I have received the down payment of the Holy Spirit. My passions were put under my feet over a year ago. But I haven’t yet walked in the Spirit. Wha do you want me to say, marks. I haven’t and I won’t say I’ve done something I haven’t.
Saying you are without sin verses in 1 John
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I have received the down payment of the Holy Spirit. My passions were put under my feet over a year ago. But I haven’t yet walked in the Spirit. Wha do you want me to say, marks. I haven’t and I won’t say I’ve done something I haven’t.
Behold
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You can't be born again, and not be "in Christ" as that is where your Spirit, exists.
The Spirit in you, is born again.....and now it exists "in Christ", and in spiritual Union with God.
THis is automatic, as that is what it means to be born again....thats what happens.
Now, if you are just water baptized, and want to be like Jesus.......that is not the same as God BIRTHING your Spirit, into His., Which is to be BORN...again. Spiritually.
Birthing my spirit into His Spirit…? What…? He put His Spirit in me when I received the down payment. Born again is to receive the Holy Spirit. It is not for my spirit to enter His Spirit but for His Spirit to enter me.
Lambano
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Can you please define the term, “walking in the Spirit”?
Also the term “being in Christ”, because the way you’ve used it in this thread seems inconsistent with its usage in the Pauline letters.
If we don’t have common terminology, we’re going to end up talking past each other.
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Lambano
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This is so important. If we think that there is no "walking in the Spirit" unless we are seeing halos on people and raising the dead, we may find our faith has been subverted into disbelief that there is an abundant life according to God's design that we can live now.
For myself, "neutral" isn't enough for me, and there is no reason to stop there. To stop doing evil, but not start doing righteousness, what is that? It's not the abundant life Jesus brought to us, not as I see it!
Much love!
Behold
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Have you ever heard of the term "Born again".
That is not Jesus being born again.
That's YOU.
Jesus said, 'YOU YOU YOU< must be born again".... John 3
That's your spirit....being BIRTHED< by the HOLY SPIRIT, as "a new creation" ' In Christ"........
You said being birthed is my spirit in Gods Spirit. Maybe you misspoke and didn’t mean to say that.
I can only go by what I read of men who walked in the Spirit, like Paul, or who had the Spirit, like Elijah. I don’t have anything else to go by. Also, my trust has never closed a lions mouth or received a dead person back to life. I do believe there is a walking in the Spirit, there’s no trust subverted into disbelief in me regarding that. But I’m okay with you thinking or suspecting that about me. I will not claim I am doing something I’m not and have not. What if I met a man who WAS walking in the Spirit, like Paul, and because I lied, the Spirit in the man struck me dead? It’s happened before, you know.
A drastic case scenario to be sure. But humility is always the best way to proceed. :)
I can define it as walking in Gods holiness, being in a holy place, miracles, a place in Him where there is no sin. How would you define it?
And I define being in Christ rather than Him in you as that place and that walking there. How would you define it?
Thankfully,
All sin has been forgiven. (Even though we all fall short of the glory of God - which is Jesus) - He helps us. All credit to God, and the Lord.
If you desire to grow, and go through sanctification with Christ, that is your choice.
All sin has been forgiven. (Even though we all fall short of the glory of God - which is Jesus) - He helps us. All credit to God, and the Lord.
If you desire to grow, and go through sanctification with Christ, that is your choice.
Yet you don't believe it is available to you now. That's the disbelief I refer to.
I simply desire to encourage you to trust Jesus for the abundance of life He provides to us.
Much love!
why would you say I think it’s not available to me now when I earlier said: disbelief/mistrust prevented Israel from entering in to what God had prepared for them and disbelief also prevents us from it…?
Now this does not mean we simply choose when to enter into it. But neither do I think God isn’t working to prepare us as we wait, to grow our trust, to…make us ready to bear it.
I look at biblical examples of men walking in the Spirit. What I see there is not me. But you say it’s wrong to think those examples show what it looks like to walk in the Spirit (and downgrade it) and you claim to walk in the Spirit as those men did. So I have examples and the testimony of the Bible and then I have you saying…well, I don’t trust or believe your testimony any more than you trust or believe epis testimony to having walked in the Spirit and what it is like.
Behold
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When you come to God, believing in Christ......
= That moment. Does not matter where that happened...it only matters that you knew you needed to be saved. You knew it, in your heart, understanding that you are a sinner needing to be saved.
So, if this happened to you, stunnedbygrace, then God was doing this to you...>"Jesus said..>"if i be lifted up (on the Cross) i will DRAW all people to me".
See that "Draw"? That is the Holy Spirit opening your heart so that you KNOW you need Jesus.
God does that. God causes that.
And when you then give God your faith in His Son...God accepts that faith, and forgives you, because you gave Him your faith, in Christ.
That is God's requirement to be saved.. You take Christ, and God takes you.
The forgiveness He gives, instantly, is the "blood atonement". Its Christ's Sacrifice on the Cross, being applied to you.
This makes you forgiven of all your sin.
THEN.....God causes your spirit, to become in union with His... You become "one with GOD"... "In Christ".
This is to be "born again" ... Spiritually.
Jesus is now in you. And you become "the temple of the Holy Spirit". A born again spiritual part of the "body of Christ"
You have now become "the Bride of Christ"
Being born again, is God joining your spirit to His....... Its that simple.
This is the proof you are saved.
Because of how you speak. That you are still "being prepared" to walk in the Spirit. Meaning you are unprepared now, and are therefore currently unable. Isn't that what you are saying?
Galatians 5:16-17 KJV
16) This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17) For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
We're in conflict with our flesh, and walking in the Spirit is the remedy.
But indeed, if we are not ready to trust Him in that way, I am certain that if we are reborn that He will continue His work to renew our minds. That's where the obstacle is.
Much love!
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