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Matthias

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there as the successors of Moses Matt 23 but the kingdom was taken from them Matt 21:43 given to peter and the apostles

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Daniel 7:18
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

See Acts 1:6.
 

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no not Moses not Joshua who took over for Moses not even the successors of Matt 23

heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

all you got is a gathering of lay people who read the old scriptures
No temple
No ark
No priesthood
No sacrifice no covenant
 

Matthias

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no not Moses not Joshua who took over for Moses not even the successors of Matt 23

heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

all you got is a gathering of lay people who read the old scriptures
No temple
No ark
No priesthood
No sacrifice no covenant

If I were to post quotes from trinitarian sources which say Moses is the mediator of the Mosaic Covenant, would you change your mind?
 

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If I were to post quotes from trinitarian sources which say Moses is the mediator of the Mosaic Covenant, would you change your mind?

moses is dead

a mediator must be on this earth mediating between God and men

or there can be no union in the covenant!

new covenant
New Israel
New church

Major covenants!

God initiated each covenant and the mediator always remains on earth mediating the covenant except for Christ who made Peter His personal representative and vicar! (Matt 16:18)

Adam
(Marriage covenant)

Noah
(Family covenant)

Abraham
(Tribal covenant)

Moses:
(National covenant)

Jesus Christ:
(Universal covenant)

New and eternal covenant founded by Jesus Christ! Matt 16:18

Universal (Catholic)
World universal

Lk 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. ( catholic universal) All men!

Lk 2:31 prepared before the face of all (catholic) people. All men!

Jn 1:29 lamb of God who takes way the sins of the world. All men!

Jn 3:16 for God so loved the world

1 Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. All men!

Lk 2: 10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. All men!

11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. (All people universal) All men!

1 Tim 2:5 one mediator

Jn 10:16 One new covenant church
 

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moses is dead

a mediator must be on this earth mediating between God and men

or there can be no union in the covenant!

new covenant
New Israel
New church

Major covenants!

God initiated each covenant and the mediator always remains on earth mediating the covenant except for Christ who made Peter His personal representative and vicar! (Matt 16:18)

Adam
(Marriage covenant)

Noah
(Family covenant)

Abraham
(Tribal covenant)

Moses:
(National covenant)

Jesus Christ:
(Universal covenant)

New and eternal covenant founded by Jesus Christ! Matt 16:18

Universal (Catholic)
World universal

Lk 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. ( catholic universal) All men!

Lk 2:31 prepared before the face of all (catholic) people. All men!

Jn 1:29 lamb of God who takes way the sins of the world. All men!

Jn 3:16 for God so loved the world

1 Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. All men!

Lk 2: 10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. All men!

11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. (All people universal) All men!

1 Tim 2:5 one mediator

Jn 10:16 One new covenant church

Moses wasn’t dead when he was the mediator of the Mosaic Covenant.
 

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Why would the apostles - Roman Catholics, not Jews, in your opinion - even ask Jesus about the timing of the restoration of the kingdom of Israel?

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Mark 15:13
And they cried out again, Crucify him

the reject Christ and killed him

Acts 4:10
Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

Matt 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

verified in 70 ad
 

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Moses wasn’t dead when he was the mediator of the Mosaic Covenant.

No not then nor was Joshua who his successor nor those who sat in the seat of Moses as his successors but it all ended with Christ
 

Matthias

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no not Moses not Joshua who took over for Moses not even the successors of Matt 23

heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

all you got is a gathering of lay people who read the old scriptures
No temple
No ark
No priesthood
No sacrifice no covenant

“Moses was the mediator of a covenant.”

Who was Moses in the Bible? | GotQuestions.org
 

Matthias

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2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Mark 15:13
And they cried out again, Crucify him

the reject Christ and killed him

Acts 4:10
Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

Matt 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

verified in 70 ad

The apostles asked the question. Why?
 

Matthias

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No not then nor was Joshua who his successor nor those who sat in the seat of Moses as his successors but it all ended with Christ

You aren’t historically grounded.

You’ve rejected trinitarian commentary identifying Moses as the mediator of the Mosaic Covenant.

Do you have access to trinitarian commentary which says Moses wasn’t the mediator of the Mosaic Covenant? If so, I would be interested in reading it.
 

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Trinitarianism is still centuries away from our Jewish story.

So, you have an issue with progressive revelation?
You are trying to not believe that more revelation was given beyond the Cross?
What is the bible, if not a book spelling out..over time..."What Goes does next"?
So, if more is understood, then more is understood.
Truth is rock solid but revelation is fluid.
LIGHT SREADS OUT.......................>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

Even Salvation, was not understood by PETER in Acts 2, , as "The Gospel of the Grace of God", that Jesus gave to PAUL, years later.

See that?
That is progressive revelation, as revealed in the Bible.
 

Matthias

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So, you have an issue with progressive revelation?

No.

You are trying to not believe that more revelation was given beyond the Cross?

No.

What is the bible, if not a book spelling out..over time..."What Goes next"?
So, if more is understood, then more is understood.
Truth is rock solid but revelation is fluid.

Even Salvation, was not understood by PETER in Acts 2, , as "The Gospel of the Grace of God", that Jesus gave to PAUL, years later.

See that?
That is progressive revelation, as revealed in the Bible.

Very early on in our conversation I documented the movement in the Church away from Jewish unitary monotheism to trinitary monotheism. Did you see that?
 

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You aren’t historically grounded.

You’ve rejected trinitarian commentary identifying Moses as the mediator of the Mosaic Covenant.

Do you have access to trinitarian commentary which says Moses wasn’t the mediator of the Mosaic Covenant? If so, I would be interested in reading it.

he was the mediator but the covenant is replaced with the new covenant
David is replaced with Christ
 

Matthias

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he was the mediator but the covenant is replaced with the new covenant
David is replaced with Christ

I’m glad we were finally able to come to agreement on Moses being the mediator of the Mosaic Covenant.