What if you lose your faith?

[GodsGrace]

Yes, all the born again have become a "new Creation" "In Christ".
There is no changing that later with a faith crisis or a behavior issue, as GOD caused that to happen, and its completed.
Without it, you can't go to Heaven.

This is what JESUS said about a behavior issue:

notice who Jesus will not recognize...
Matthew 7:21-23
21“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22“Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’
23“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.


Jesus was not speaking about civil or criminal courts...
He was speaking about GOD'S laws and how we are to obey them.
Nowhere in the NT does it state that we are to do nothing but believe.

And, BTW, in the original Greek the word BELIEVE does mean to obey, to follow, to learn from, to trust, etc.

 

[GodsGrace]

Deu_32:34 Is not this laid up in store with me, and sealed up among my treasures?
1Ki_21:8 So she wrote letters in Ahab's name, and sealed them with his seal, and sent the letters unto the elders and to the nobles that were in his city, dwelling with Naboth.
Neh_10:1 Now those that sealed were, Nehemiah, the Tirshatha, the son of Hachaliah, and Zidkijah,
Est_3:12 Then were the king's scribes called on the thirteenth day of the first month, and there was written according to all that Haman had commanded unto the king's lieutenants, and to the governors that were over every province, and to the rulers of every people of every province according to the writing thereof, and to every people after their language; in the name of king Ahasuerus was it written, and sealed with the king's ring.
Est_8:8 Write ye also for the Jews, as it liketh you, in the king's name, and seal it with the king's ring: for the writing which is written in the king's name, and sealed with the king's ring, may no man reverse.
Est_8:10 And he wrote in the king Ahasuerus' name, and sealed it with the king's ring, and sent letters by posts on horseback, and riders on mules, camels, and young dromedaries:
Job_14:17 My transgression is sealed up in a bag, and thou sewest up mine iniquity.
Son_4:12 A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.
Isa_29:11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
Jer_32:10 And I subscribed the evidence, and sealed it, and took witnesses, and weighed him the money in the balances.
Jer_32:11 So I took the evidence of the purchase, both that which was sealed according to the law and custom, and that which was open:
Jer_32:14 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Take these evidences, this evidence of the purchase, both which is sealed, and this evidence which is open; and put them in an earthen vessel, that they may continue many days.
Dan_6:17 And a stone was brought, and laid upon the mouth of the den; and the king sealed it with his own signet, and with the signet of his lords; that the purpose might not be changed concerning Daniel.
Dan_12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Joh_6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
Rom_15:28 When therefore I have performed this, and have sealed to them this fruit, I will come by you into Spain.
2Co_1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
Eph_1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph_4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.



You show me where the sealing of the Spirit is the same as sacraments.

J.

Two comments....
First, you must surely know that kings did indeed send forth decrees sealed with their sign.
At times, these decrees were abrogated, nullified or made invalide by the same King that issued the original law/decree.

Second, did I say the sealing of the Holy Spirit is the same as sacraments?
Baptism IS a sacrament.
I don't really understand your statement...

 

[GodsGrace]

Here I am in agreement with you, but not the sealing of the Holy Spirit is the same as water baptism in your other post.
J.

Oh. I see what you mean.

I learned from 2 different denominations that when we are baptized, we are sealed with the Holy Spirit.
We are indwelt with the Holy Spirit at the time of justification, but at baptism we receive a "seal" from God that forever marks our soul.
This is why we are baptized only one time...we cannot receive God's seal two times because the original one lasts forever.

This seal is given to us to receive the power to witness and to worship God and serve Him. By this serving, we show our lives to be holy (set apart) and motivated by charity (love).

This seal if for life, to receive forever the help of the Holy Spirit in our lives.

But it is the FAITHFUL Christian who has respected this seal till the end who will be able to depart this life having earned his salvation.

John 3:15
15so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.
If we stop believing, we will no longer be rewarded with eternal life at the end.

1 Peter 1:5-9
5who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6In this you greatly rejoice, even though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials,
7so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
8and though you have not seen Him, you love Him, and though you do not see Him now, but believe in Him, you greatly rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory,
9obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls.

We are protected by the power of God through Faith.
If there is no faith, we will not receive that protection.
The outcome of our faith will be obtained at the end.

 

[Behold]

but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

You are still trying to WORK your way into heaven.
THere were some in the NT that tried that..

"Lord we cast out demons in your name".

See that, GodsGrace?

They called him LORD, and they cast out DEVILS< by the name of Jesus.
What did Jesus say to them?

"Depart from me, i never knew you". = HELL BOUND.

Why?

Because "you must be born again".

So, what is the WILL OF GOD that places you in the Family of God, when you do it.
What is that will?

That will = is for you to do the work of God.

What is that work? ??????

"The work of God, is that you Believe on Jesus, whom God sent".

not keep believing.
Not try to hold unto your faith.

But just BELIEVE.......that one time, and God accepts that faith, and will give you the New Birth".
The new birth, happens once, same as God accepting your faith, once.
And you then exist Spiritually, (as that is the real you) in spiritual union with God's Spirit'.
"ONE WITH GOD".

Its done.
There is no keeping that.....there is only to have become THAT, by being born again.

 

[GodsGrace]

You are knowingly being dishonest, to say that i dont post verses.
What i dont post is the NUMBER and the Chapter, generally.

Well, you should post this information.
How would anyone know you're writing scripture if you don't post it?
Not everyone is so familiar with the bible.

 

[GodsGrace]

Grailhunter posts verses that dont even relate to each other, and of course you'd never know it., as you do the same.

Please don't post to me just to insult me.
John 3:35

 

[GodsGrace]

Water Baptism could not seal an envelope.

The SEALING and the NEW BIRTH< IS CREATED by the Holy Spirit, not by the city water supply.

No comment!

Baptism is the city water supply?

 

[GodsGrace]

The reason you can't "forfeit" your Salvation, is because your Salvation is not of yourself.
Salvation, is Jesus on the Cross, =This finished sacrifice being APPLIED to you, as your Salvation.
God does that, not you.
So, Salvation is not of you, and that is why you can't change it....

Once Salvation is applied, then this is proof that the only requirement to receive it has been met.
So, trying to keep it, is not a part of Salvation., as God keeps it, due to the fact that He created it and caused it to happen to a BELIEVER.... once and forever.

Once you become a "new Creation" In Christ, your redemption is completed.. till you get the new body, etc.
You dont become a partial creation, or a creation in progress... You have become a "NEW CREATION">.......and you did not cause this, and you can't change it.

No scripture, as usual.

 

[Behold]

But it is the FAITHFUL Christian who has respected this seal till the end who will be able to depart this life having earned his salvation.

God does not save you because you are faithful later.

"faithful later" has no part in being SAVED, as a SINNER.

Youre a sinner when you are saved into a Saint......so, that isnt faithful later.

Salvation is not you being good later, its not kept that way, as its not given to you when you are good.

Salvation is God's Goodness, not yours., and even later, you're not that good.
All of us, as compared to Jesus.....how good are we?

C'mon.
You have to see beyond your idea of trying to be good enough to keep God's salvation., as God's salvation is a GIFT.
You dont work for a gift, not when you get it, or later after you have it.

 

[Behold]

No comment!

Baptism is the city water supply?

The water in your Catholic Churches baptismal?
Did it come out of water bottles, or from the faucet that filled it up?
That's the city water supply, last time you realized it.

 

[Behold]

Well, you should post this information.
How would anyone know you're writing scripture if you don't post it?
Not everyone is so familiar with the bible.

Its like this...

Gen2Rev, will post the verse......& the number of the Verse., and not understand it.

FerrisBeuller will post his 2 verse......the Chapter, number, the quotation marks, and highlight it in BLUE., and is still clueless as to the verse's meaning.

I dont do any of that.

I speak the verse, in my sentences, and if you are very familiar with the bible, you'll see the verse.

I might say... when we look at John 3, and we are told by Jesus that we must have a spiritual birth, as well as a natural birth, as Jesus says we must be born again.......so, that is a spiritual birth, that is being shown as Born .... AGAIN..........because you have already been born once, of your mother.


Now, see what i did?
I didnt post the verses number, but i spoke the verse.
I do this all the time, and often, ill put """""Quotation mark"""" around the verse, so that you know i just quoted a verse.

 

[Behold]

John 3:15
15so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.
If we stop believing, we will no longer be rewarded with eternal life at the end.

And who is it that believes?
That would be an unbeliever who is believing, and now has eternal life.

Its also all the born again, who have believed, and so, they have eternal life.

"Jesus said, all that believe in me.....i give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish".

That is belive ONCE, as you then get the Eternal life.,, and after you have believed ONCE< you will never perish.

 

[GodsGrace]

I pray that you and Quail Hunter understand what ‘self righteousness” and “ Falling from Grace” is before you die......otherwise, it ain’t gonna be pretty....

All that “ Newbies “ with brains have to do is read the Book Of Galatians ....then hopefully they will see the difference between Christians like myself and Behold, and Self - Righteous Religionists like you and Quail—- guys that have become “ Severed from Christ” because they ADD to the Paul’s Gospel Of Pure Grace....

I pray that Newbies actually BELIEVE the song that they sing—- “ Nothing But The Blood Of Jesus” ....and NOT the song that You and Quail are singing , “ Nothing But Be Good and Do Good” and “ Nothing Of myself I bring —- it’s only to my Morality that I Cling”......

Yes. I agree.

I certainly do hope newbies see the difference between your posts, which are demeaning and insulting, with no love shown,
and those of the rest of us that believe what the bible states and are here to serve the God we worship.

 

[GodsGrace]

Its like this...

Gen2Rev, will post the verse......& the number of the Verse., and not understand it.

FerrisBeuller will post his 2 verse......the Chapter, number, the quotation marks, and highlight it in BLUE., and is still clueless as to the verse's meaning.

I dont do any of that.

I speak the verse, in my sentences, and if you are very familiar with the bible, you'll see the verse.

I might say... when we look at John 3, and we are told by Jesus that we must have a spiritual birth, as well as a natural birth, as Jesus says we must be born again.......so, that is a spiritual birth, that is being shown as Born .... AGAIN..........because you have already been born once, of your mother.


Now, see what i did?
I didnt post the verses number, but i spoke the verse.
I do this all the time, and often, ill put """""Quotation mark"""" around the verse, so that you know i just quoted a verse.

I know what you're doing Behold.

I'm saying it's not enough.
We should back up what we say with verses.
Not YOUR version of the verse, but the ACTUAL verse.
I do believe @GEN2REV and @Ferris Bueller understand the verses they post very well.

 

[Behold]

Nowhere in the NT does it state that we are to do nothing but believe.

Nowhere in the NT does God, Christ, Peter, or Paul, tell you that you do anything BUT BELIEVE, if you want God's Salvation.

Jesus said I AM THE WAY to God, ....not your silly self effort and works, GodGrace.

See that CROSS?
That is the WORK that Gets you to heaven, and not yours.

 

[Behold]

I know what you're doing Behold.

I'm saying it's not enough.
We should back up what we say with verses.
.

I do.

But you have this hollow idea that posting verses, is proof.
And its not.
Its rightly dividing the verses, that is the proof, not just posting verses.


Jesus said that He will give you eternal life if you BELIEVE.
Eternal life is your Salvation.

You post then, some verse about works or water , that you believe is a verse that talks about you trying to keep believing, to try to keep yourself saved.

"born again" is how Jesus says you will go to heaven, because you are already there, in God, if you are born again.
There is no ......trying to work for that...if you have it already.

You dont ever post that verse, and that's a problem., because that means you dont understand it, or you would not be posting verses that talk about works, instead.

 

[GodsGrace]

God does not save you because you are faithful later.

"faithful later" has no part in being SAVED, as a SINNER.

Youre a sinner when you are saved into a Saint......so, that isnt faithful later.

Salvation is not you being good later, its not kept that way, as its not given to you when you are good.

Salvation is God's Goodness, not yours., and even later, you're not that good.
All of us, as compared to Jesus.....how good are we?

C'mon.
You have to see beyond your idea of trying to be good enough to keep God's salvation., as God's salvation is a GIFT.
You dont work for a gift, not when you get it, or later after you have it.

I'm not trying to be good enough to earn God's salvation.
There's something here you're missing.

We are good because we are saved.
If we're not good, then possibly we're not saved.
The Holy Spirit works in us to do good deeds.
Do I need to post a bunch of verses AGAIN??
How many do you need?
How many times must they be repeated?

Here's ONE verse. Tell us what it means to you.

James 2:14-17
14What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?
15If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food,
16and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?
17Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.

Come on Behold...do a little exegeting.

 

[GodsGrace]

And who is it that believes?
That would be an unbeliever who is believing, and now has eternal life.

Its also all the born again, who have believed, and so, they have eternal life.

"Jesus said, all that believe in me.....i give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish".

That is belive ONCE, as you then get the Eternal life.,, and after you have believed ONCE< you will never perish.

Where does it state BELIEVE ONCE??

It says that whoever BELIEVES, present tense, will have eternal life.

The unpardonable sin is not believing in the Holy Spirit.
If we abandon God and walk away from Him, we will be committing the unpardonable sin.
We will returning to our own vomit, like a dog.

 

[GodsGrace]

Nowhere in the NT does God, Christ, Peter, or Paul, tell you that you do anything BUT BELIEVE, if you want God's Salvation.

Jesus said I AM THE WAY to God, ....not your silly self effort and works, GodGrace.

See that CROSS?
That is the WORK that Gets you to heaven, and not yours.

I agree.

Except that God is pleased with any good work I'm able to do.
HE does not think it's silly.

Read The Good Samaritan _ what does it teach?
Was the effort of the Samaritan silly?

 

[GodsGrace]

must leave.
'night.