Being Faithful to God

[marks]

I disagree, God is revealing to His children things beyond what is contained in the word of God, for which we are only left with faith to believe them or not.

But not ever contrary to the Word of God, the Bible.

Many claim "spiritual understanding" but they proclaim what is contrary to Scripture.

Some here claim it is impossible to walk in the Spirit in the manner God intends, overcoming the flesh, in unity with one another, without "something more". An elevated walk that God only gives to few. A second Holy Spirit baptism. Those are a couple of claims made.

Is that a true spiritual understanding? Is it hubris to say, this isn't right?

2 Peter 1:2-4 KJV
2) Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3) According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Here is one place (there are others) that says, this is not true, that we already have all things that we need.

And then the Apostle goes on to tell us how to apprehend this, by adding to our faith virtue, and to virtue, knowledge, and so on. It's like a "step by step instruction" of "putting on Christ", or "putting on the new man".

Our provision is in God's promises to us, and we must take hold of them by faith. Trust that what God says is true. Not just whatever thought comes into our minds, but what is verifiably true, because the Spirit testifies in our hearts, AND we are taught in His Word.

Let's walk in the Spirit now, in all love and trust, knowing we are complete in Him, that He has given all we need for life and godliness. Let's trust this is true, and live accordingly.

Much love!

 

[David H.]

If you go back to the passage in Hebrews 12, there is only chastening, not punishment. God trains His children, and His training is effective. If this is not true for you, you are not His child.

There are times he has punished me as well, and let me assure you they are destructive. Has God never been angry with you?

If you disregard the Bible, you open yourself to error. We know we are in Him, and He in us, by His Spirit within us, Who teaches us all things. And we know nothing that He teaches us will ever contradict the Bible. Those who are willing to embrace views which are contrary to Scripture are wrong to do so, and will fall into error, no matter where they think those ideas are coming from. We are not to ignore Scripture.

Sometimes scripture only gives us clues as to the truths the Holy Spirit reveals to us... You judge these things as error because you cannot find proof texts in scripture, instead of testing the Spirit to see if they are from God.

His servants shall serve Him . . . doing what exactly? Yes, there is much we don't yet know. But neither do we add to Scripture now.

I knew a man who was convinced that he was to finish writing the Bible, that what he wrote would be the document that would provide the teaching to transition the Church from a fleshy state now ushering it into a glorious state in the millennium. No one is adding to Scripture, no one.

When Jesus came the first time the Pharisees and Sadducees could not understand he was their messiah because he did not fit their understanding of scripture. I see the same thing in fundamentalism with regard to the second coming. The church is the living Body of Christ, the Word of God is alive and reads us, the Spirit of Truth is God with us, teaching us. Scripture clearly states that there will be more revealed to the church in the future yet you show your fundamentalist fear of this in your comments.... This is textualism in a nutshell. Jesus is the truth, and he is continually revealing his truths to the church. Just because some nut job said he was given scripture ala Joseph Smith does not mean it is truth, the discerning believer will know what is truth and what is false.

For example, I teach the differentiation between the faithful and the saints. I give you scriptures to back this up, yet ultimately The Holy Spirit must show you this to be true in the end, because scripture cannot negate or confirm this truth only the Holy Spirit who showed me this can show you this.

I Teach at the end of this age the church becomes the saints, and the Woman(Doctrine of the church) goes into the wilderness from which more saints are born of the woman.... I can show you in scripture where this was revealed to me (Revelation 12) But I cannot prove it one way or another using scripture.

I Teach that Revelation is an overlapping book of seven distinct visions and how this relates to my timeline of events and where I Place the rapture etc. But ultimately i cannot prove this to be true from scripture because it was revealed to me by the Holy Spirit.... He literally showed me how John saw his vision in heaven.

You have beat me up on all these things on more than one occasion, and I Ignore this because I Know the Spirit of truth must reveal these things to you and until you are able to have a teachable spirit in you, He will not. Your comments here show this to be a fact not merely an observation by your denial of the revelation of the Holy Ghost.... You have quenched the Spirit to the point he is unable (wrong word, unwilling) to teach you. I Have shown you here using scripture to prove that there is far more that the Holy Spirit is willing to teach you than what is contained in the Word of God... But you cannot bear it yet (John 16:12)

 

[David H.]

What is the "covert fear" you are thinking of? We can freely receive from the Holy Spirit of God, knowing, by faith, according to His Word, His love for us.

Can't you see this in what I have written to you here? Do We Know the Love of God for us because the bible tells us, or because we have experienced it? Do we know truth because the Bible tells us, or because we experience this, by arriving at the truth via the Spirit of Truth? Do we Know our eternal security because the bible tells us so, or because we have experienced this coming to the full assurance of the faith?

Because of textualism you are missing out on the experiencing and Knowing the way the truth and the Life.

I will have to get back to you later on the rest.... (Dialysis)

God bless

 

[marks]

Can't you see this

Nothing to see.

Whenever I post Scripture that shows something different than what you assert, this is what the thread turns into. You cannot defend your views, so you make it about me.

Enough of that.

Scripture clearly states that there will be more revealed to the church in the future yet you show your fundamentalist fear of this in your comments....

You do not add to Scripture. And you do not correct Scripture. Scripture corrects you. If you are honest, you will admit to yourself how you take the words that God will demonstrate the riches of His grace in His kindness towards us in Christ Jesus, you make that out as if it means you can add teaching to the Bible that it doesn't teach, and this is OK, because after all, in the ages to come, God will demonstrate His kindness to us.

That's non-sequitor. Which means, it doesn't mean that. That God will show us His kindness does not make you the new Apostle, to give new revelation contrary to Biblical teaching.

Much love!

 

[Dropship]

Many claim "spiritual understanding" but they proclaim what is contrary to Scripture...

Yes but they can't get under the Bible's radar..
"If anyone preaches a perverted gospel they're accursed" (Galatians 1:6-9)

 

[marks]

Yes but they can't get under the Bible's radar..
"If anyone preaches a perverted gospel they're accursed" (Galatians 1:6-9)

Yes, no one fools God. They can fool other people, but they don't fool God. And we know Who will prevail!

Much love!

 

[marks]

Because of textualism

Another nonsense label that deflects.

Put away the childish things.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Jeremiah 23:23-32 KJV
23) Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?
24) Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.
25) I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed.
26) How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;
27) Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.
28) The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD.
29) Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
30) Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.
31) Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.
32) Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.

 

[Episkopos]

But not ever contrary to the Word of God, the Bible.

Many claim "spiritual understanding" but they proclaim what is contrary to Scripture.

Some here claim it is impossible to walk in the Spirit in the manner God intends, overcoming the flesh, in unity with one another, without "something more". An elevated walk that God only gives to few. A second Holy Spirit baptism. Those are a couple of claims made.

Is that a true spiritual understanding? Is it hubris to say, this isn't right?

Why did the disciples of Jesus tarry in Jerusalem? They needed power from heaven to walk in resurrection life. They needed to break free from the bondage of the flesh. As such the baptism in the Spirit is the "second" blessing...or the full measure of grace. This baptism (unless there is the gift by laying on of hands) must be petitioned by seeking God's face.

So then this is not "a second Holy Spirit baptism" as you are exaggerating the claim to try disparaging the issue.

Jesus said that few would find the kingdom although MANY would try. I am reminded here of the jealousy of Cain towards his brother who received "something more" from God than he did. The carnal mind cannot tolerate God giving more to others than to itself. This very real issue must be looked at. If ignored, the only conclusion we can come to is a defense of the rights of the carnal man. God decides who enters His kingdom realm. But this is not a popular thing for the carnal mind to agree with...it goes directly against the "fairness" factor in the natural order. But it is God's way.

2 Peter 1:2-4 KJV
2) Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3) According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Here is one place (there are others) that says, this is not true, that we already have all things that we need.

According to divine power we indeed have all we need as His grace and peace are MULTIPLIED to us in full measure. You are suggesting that divine power is by the will of man...we just have to decide to be filled with the Spirit...and presto...

The same kind of thing happens with the gift of tongues. People speak a sort of mantra...and then claim they are speaking by the Spirit. Is God not in control of His own Spirit? Or does our will control it?

Rather it is by divine power that we are made to be partakers of the divine nature. Divine power is NOT by the will that decides to be divine or not.

We are to petition God for more grace at the throne of grace if we need it. Abel petitioned God and fire came down from heaven. The same thing happens when we get the full measure of grace.

And then the Apostle goes on to tell us how to apprehend this, by adding to our faith virtue, and to virtue, knowledge, and so on. It's like a "step by step instruction" of "putting on Christ", or "putting on the new man".

No. Putting on Christ is according to purity...not maturity. The additions to faith is part of the maturing process...not the sanctification process (which doesn't exist). I thought you had understood the difference at one point.

Our provision is in God's promises to us, and we must take hold of them by faith. Trust that what God says is true. Not just whatever thought comes into our minds, but what is verifiably true, because the Spirit testifies in our hearts, AND we are taught in His Word.

Let's walk in the Spirit now, in all love and trust, knowing we are complete in Him, that He has given all we need for life and godliness. Let's trust this is true, and live accordingly.

Much love!

Again, you are claiming to control the Spirit. When Paul says to walk in the Spirit...he is speaking to people who knew what that meant. Why else would Jesus reject so many believers who claimed to do things in His name? if this was based on our will then surely ALL who operated in doing things in Jesus name would receive approval from God. But the absence of this tendency in God's judgments should awaken people from delusions of being spiritual in Christ when they are in fact walking as men.

We are complete IN Him. But first we must be translated to where He is. Who accomplishes that? God does.

As God said to Cain...will you not also get what your brother got when you get things right?

“If you do well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if you do not well, sin lies at the door. And unto you shall be his desire, and you shall rule over him.” Gen. 4:7

What we are in control of is admitting that the religious outer man wants what God has for the inner man. There is so much coddling of the outer man in todays' churches that sound doctrine cannot be endured.

 

[Episkopos]

What can we say of people who believe that no one can have more than what they have? Or that they cannot possibly get more of Christ than they already have?

Was that not the claim of the Laodiceans?

 

[marks]

Again, you are claiming to control the Spirit.

No, I'm saying trust that what God says is true. And live accordingly.

Much love!

 

[marks]

You are suggesting that divine power is by the will of man...we just have to decide to be filled with the Spirit...and presto...

Not my words. Not what I've expressed. Yet you attribute this to me.

Is this spiritual? The speech of the inner man?

I am saying, God gives us the power to live according to His intent for us, but if we will not believe that, we won't walk in it. So I encourage, believe His Word, and live accordingly.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Rather it is by divine power that we are made to be partakers of the divine nature. Divine power is NOT by the will that decides to be divine or not.

2 Peter 1:3 LITV
3) As His divine power has given to us all things pertaining to life and godliness through the full knowledge of the One calling us through glory and virtue,

His divine power has given to us all things pertaining to life and godliness. Will you believe this is true?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Why else would Jesus reject so many believers who claimed to do things in His name? if this was based on our will then surely ALL who operated in doing things in Jesus name would receive approval from God.

Because they claim to do things in His Name, but they didn't actually know Him. Knowing God is eternal life, not doing things purportedly in His Name.

Much love!

 

[amadeus]

What can we say of people who believe that no one can have more than what they have? Or that they cannot possibly get more of Christ than they already have?

Is that not the claim of the Laodiceans?

Amen!

Mt 20:10 But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.
Mt 20:11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,
Mt 20:12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
Mt 20:13 But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?
Mt 20:14 Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.
Mt 20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?

Joh 21:20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?
Joh 21:21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?
Joh 21:22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.


"And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." Matt 26:39

 

[marks]

Why did the disciples of Jesus tarry in Jerusalem? They needed power from heaven to walk in resurrection life. They needed to break free from the bondage of the flesh. As such the baptism in the Spirit is the "second" blessing...or the full measure of grace. This baptism (unless there is the gift by laying on of hands) must be petitioned by seeking God's face.

What the Bible says is that Jesus told them to wait, and they would receive power, and they would be His witnesses.

There is ONE baptism. One. And Romans 6 tells us exactly what that baptism is.

Teaching Christians that even being born again, they cannot walk in the Spirit without something more denies the reality that God has already given us all we need.

Only, there are so many who don't believe that, and so many who encourage that disbelief.

What will God say to those who would tell His children that what He's done for them isn't enough to give the life He promises in Christ?

God gives victory. Will you declare that this victory is not actually available? Not me! I trust Him. And He does not disappoint.

Much love!

 

[marks]

What can we say of people who believe that no one can have more than what they have? Or that they cannot possibly get more of Christ than they already have?

Was that not the claim of the Laodiceans?

Deflection.

Some claim they have more than they do, some claim less, some claim all kinds of bizarre things, but the Scriptures teach us that,

2 Peter 1:3 LITV
3) As His divine power has given to us all things pertaining to life and godliness through the full knowledge of the One calling us through glory and virtue,

What do you feel you may be lacking? Anything in particular?

Much love!

 

[Episkopos]

Not my words. Not what I've expressed. Yet you attribute this to me.

Is this spiritual? The speech of the inner man?

I am saying, God gives us the power to live according to His intent for us, but if we will not believe that, we won't walk in it. So I encourage, believe His Word, and live accordingly.

Much love!

I have a Jewish friend who tries to live by the Torah...to believe and live accordingly. Once I pointed out the verse in Deuteronomy 30 that says "I will circumcise your hearts." He was dumbfounded that the wording was such...since he knew of the other places where God says "circumcise your hearts". So he knew of his own responsibility but was surprised that this was something that God would do...beyond our own abilities.

I'll always remember the shock on his face.

So then Mark...what you are describing to me is an OT standard. You are mixing Testaments here.

Having to be faithful....which we do of course...this is already covered in the the OT righteous standard.

But that's not the gist of the NT. In the NT we are TRANSLATED to walk as Jesus walked...by divine power and presence. No one can do that by their determination. One must petition God and be accepted into the Beloved.

This is not about salvation...but eternal glory. Basic salvation is covered in the OT. When we believe in Jesus we turn from wickedness to righteousness...as we do what Jesus says. This is based on righteousness..like the thief on the cross or Zacchaeus who gave back what he stole.

But holiness in Christ is a whole other matter.

 

[marks]

The naked man who thinks he has clothes on is no less deluded than the clothed man who thinks he is naked.

Much love!

 

[Episkopos]

What the Bible says is that Jesus told them to wait, and they would receive power, and they would be His witnesses.

There is ONE baptism. One. And Romans 6 tells us exactly what that baptism is.

Teaching Christians that even being born again, they cannot walk in the Spirit without something more denies the reality that God has already given us all we need.

Only, there are so many who don't believe that, and so many who encourage that disbelief.

What will God say to those who would tell His children that what He's done for them isn't enough to give the life He promises in Christ?

God gives victory. Will you declare that this victory is not actually available? Not me! I trust Him. And He does not disappoint.

Much love!

What you are espousing is a denial of seeking God's face for God's presence. The whole point of the New Birth is to taste of the Lord and go to Him. Claiming the first step in a race is sufficient is to be disqualified as a DNF. Jesus is BOTH the author AND finisher of our faith. We go to the Lord before His throne so He can finish what He started.

Look at the story of the 10 lepers. Only 1 out of 10 went back. Surely the other 9 thought why do I need to go to Jesus if I am healed? Yet Jesus says..where are the other 9????