Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

[robert derrick]

I see, so now what do you do with all this emotional outburst spilled into your writing, where does it go from here? So do you think by adding in emoticons will do the trick, and make folks not worry about you? I wonder....

My point being. I don't care if you worry about me. But I do care for people's feelings when they get hurt and so leave the argument and start getting personal.

Which is why I no longer respond. Since the argument at hand is all that matters to me.

So, if you would like to get back to it, show me how hero worship of Jesus as a son of God deified among as a god, is not pagan cult worship.

 

[Behold]

Do you recognize that?

Have you recognized that Jesus told you that .... John 8:23. '" I AM from ABOVE"....while He was standing on the earth He Himself created?
John 1:10

 

[robert derrick]

And yet ANOTHER thread against the deity of Jesus Christ.

Sometimes, we just need to take a step back and consider what is being said:

Jesus is either God, or He is not God. There is no in between.

People can reject Him as God, and that would be simple unbelief.

It's only when they go on to try an construct for themselves another for of God that is not God Himself.

They make Jesus into a special brand of created spiritual being, like Superman of Herakles.

There is only God, and then all else are created being by God.

In Scripture, there is no mediator between God and man, that is a created being alike all created beings.

There is God the Creator and eternal Spirit, and there is the rest of us men and angels: created spiritual beings.

Man is no inferior to any other created spiritual being, but only made a little lower than the angels by having mortal flesh to live and breathe and walk in for a season.

My soul is not saved by any other created spiritual being, because I am created equal with all of them, whether Lucifer, Michael, the Seraphim, the beasts in the throne room, or other men on earth.

I am only saved by my Lord and my God: Jesus Christ.

Not even the Father laid down His life for me, though He did come with His Son to earth to do so, in the Person of the Holy Spirit.

 

[marks]

I see, so now what do you do with all this emotional outburst spilled into your writing, where does it go from here? So do you think by adding in emoticons will do the trick, and make folks not worry about you? I wonder....

Maybe sometime you might read your posts as though written by another.

It's like the schoolyard.

Much love!

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Why Overlook? 160 Reasons/500 Scriptures, Such As:

22. JESUS Is LORD of the Sabbath - Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5.
31. JESUS Is LORD of the living and the dead - Romans 14:9.

47. JESUS Is Called LORD Of lords - 1 Timothy 6:15; Revelation 19:16.
God Is Called LORD Of lords - Deuteronomy 10:17. Since True:

"For The LORD your God is God of gods, and LORD of lords, A Great God,
a Mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:"

Then, JESUS Is God. Correct?

154. JESUS Is LORD OF ALL - Acts 10:36.

155. The LORD God Sent HIS angel to John - Revelation 22:6. It Is
JESUS Who Sent HIS angel - Revelation 22:16. JESUS Is The LORD God.

156. JESUS Is Called The "LORD Of Glory" - 1 Corinthians 2:8.
JESUS is YHWH God - Psalms 24:8-10.

Thus, the only Reasonable Conclusion we know of, is to find More
Than These 10 Plain And Clear Scriptures That Teach That:

there is The Father, The ONLY God, Who Is LORD over The LORD Of lords,
so that Every One Of These "can be Nullified And Are Shown As False!"
Correct???

Furthermore, scholars have claimed that Jesus is on every page of the Bible. (Michael btw is on 5 pages).
That makes sense. Since Jesus is the WORD (logos), the exact expression of God, in the fullness of Grace and Glory, the Light of the world, the CREATOR (Col. 1:16-17), the Author of our faith and therefore the source of life, wisdom and knowledge in the entire Bible. In Him all things consist (are held together). That means every atom in the universe. That requires omnipotence, omnipresense and omniscience.
Non-trinitarians, though they are believers in God and even obedient to Christ, are Christians of a lesser god ( in their hearts). By not quite giving recognition of Christ as the All Mighty God, they lack the love, worship and honor of Him, Who is so worthy of it.

 

[robert derrick]

By not quite giving recognition of Christ as the All Mighty God, they lack the love, worship and honor of Him, Who is so worthy of it.

Which is the whole point.

There is no savior and lord 'quite like' God. There is no god that is 'quite like' God.

There is only Savior and Lord God.

 

[ScottA]

Until is false, a trinitarian invention not found in Scripture. In fact it contradicts Scripture The Father, who alone is God, does not say he has a God. Jesus says he has a God. Do you recognize that?

Yes, I do, and it is appropriate. But not in the way that you assume. It is appropriate however to speak in those same terms regarding a project and the person and enterprise known as Christ. But this is like that hard saying "unless you eat of My flesh and drink of My blood." Nonetheless, these things are true--such was the case also for drinking the cup of wrath...a term that fits but is not literally a cup as it was called. This is true of all that is in the world, all that is only created according to His likeness. Likewise if you yourself told a true story in pictures of yourself doing a great thing and referred to the main character as your son (because you created him) and gave him a name above every other character, and that character called you his father...it would all be true in that you created it regarding what was True...which you might also call
that character.

Remember, this is all only claimed to be what "is written." I tell you it is the "make believe" true story from God...that we might believe.

 

[Desire Of All Nations]

The Athanasian Creed of the 5th-6th century, was the 1st creed to expose the Trinity doctrine that also included words that said if a person does not believe it (the Creed), they will perish in eternal death. Is that what the word of God says? They made themselves a grand cult and following, even today.

It even goes so far as to say that the trinity is a Catholic faith. It tells a rational person all they need to know about the trinity doctrine being a fortress of falsehood that is protected by an even bigger falsehood that people are required to submit to themselves to the Catholic's ecclesiastical authority in order to be considered Christians.

This creed essentially boils down to the Catholic church saying "you are supposed to believe the trinity is biblical because we said it is." The individuals behind this creed didn't even cite a single passage of scripture that proves the trinity doctrine is biblical in all of the years that were wasted arguing about which version of the trinity should be official. It is supremely comical and tragic it is that so many people in Orthodox Christianity bow to the authority of the Catholic church without realizing that they're doing it.

 

[Keiw]

As a believer in the true oneness of God, thereby denying the trinity, I'm called many rather unsavory names. Perhaps "rank heretic" is most common.

So who is Jesus to a "rank heretic?"

1. In Genesis he is the promised seed of the woman.
2. In Exodus he is the Passover lamb.
3. In Leviticus he is the High Priest.
4. In Numbers he is the star to rise out of Jacob.
5. In Deuteronomy he is the two laws: Love God and love your neighbor.
6. In Joshua he is the captain of the Lord of Hosts.
7. In Judges he is the covenant angel named Wonderful.
8. In Ruth he is the kinsman redeemer.
9. In Samuel he is the root and offspring of David.
10. In Kings he is the greater than the Temple.
11. In Chronicles he is the King's son.
12. In Ezra & Nehemiah he is the rebuilder.
13. In Esther he is the savior of God's people.
14. In Job he is the daysman.
15. In Psalms he is the song.
16. In Proverbs he is the wisdom of God.
17. In Ecclesiastes he is the one among a thousand.
18. In The Song of Solomon he is the bridegroom of the bride.
19. In Isaiah he is Jacob's branch.
20. In Jeremiah he is our righteousness.
21. In Lamentations he is the unbelievers' judgement.
22. In Ezekiel he is the true shepherd.
23. In Daniel he is the stone that became the head of the corner.
24. In Hosea he is the latter rain.
25. In Joel he is God's dwelling in Zion.
26. In Amos he is the raiser of David's tabernacle.
27. In Obadiah he is the deliverer on Mount Zion.
28. In Jonah he is our salvation.
29. In Micah he is the Lord of kings.
30. In Nahum he is the stronghold in the time of trouble.
31. In Habakkuk he is our joy and confidence.
32. In Zephaniah he is our mighty Lord.
33. In Haggai he is the desire of the nations.
34. In Zechariah he is our servant The Branch.
35. In Malachi he is the son of Righteousness.
36. In Matthew he is Jehovah's Messiah.
37. In Mark he is Jehovah's servant.
38. In Luke he is Jehovah's man.
39. In John he is Jehovah's Son.
40. In Acts he is the gift of holy spirit.
41. In Romans he is the believers' justification.
42. In Corinthians he is the believers' sanctification.
43. In Galatians he is the believers' righteousness.
44. In Ephesians he is the believers' heavenly standing.
45. In Philippians he is the believers' self adequacy.
46. In Colossians he is the believers' completeness.
47. In Thessalonians he is the believers' soon glorification.
48. In Timothy he is the faithful men.
49. In Titus he is the fellow-laborer.
50. In Philemon he is the love of a believer.
51. In Hebrews he is the High Priest for sin.
52. In James he is the royal law.
53. In Peter he is the pastor.
54. In John he is as we are.
55. In Jude he is the beloved.
56. In Revelation he is the King of kings and the Lord of lords.

I think this is a much higher view than simply thinking God always somehow managed to obey Himself, and also went so far as to believe Himself that He'd raise Himself from the dead. God is much bigger than that.

God managed to come up with a plan (the actual logos of John 1) so that a man with free will, tempted in all points as us, could believe enough to follow that plan to perfection. God was a genius for coning up with the plan and Jesus was a hero of heroes for carrying out the plan despite the grave consequences he had to experience.

Making Jesus God simply minimizes the greatness of both God and His son. God became little more than a bully who did whatever He wanted to do despite man's free will, That would be a perfect description of all the other Ancient Near East gods, but it's an insult to the greatness of our God, YHWH.

Jesus is the one sent forth by God, the messiah, Gods son, not God. God always was and always will be. Jesus had a mortal mother.
Jesus has a God like all created beings-John 20:17, Rev 3:12. He tells all he was created at Proverbs 8, but Few actually know him.

 

[Rich R]

Jesus is the one sent forth by God, the messiah, Gods son, not God. God always was and always will be. Jesus had a mortal mother.
Jesus has a God like all created beings-John 20:17, Rev 3:12. He tells all he was created at Proverbs 8, but Few actually know him.

I hear you. "Son of God" is not the same thing as "God the Son." "Son of God" can be found over 30 times in the scriptures. To find "God the Son" one must refer to the Athenasian Creed or one of it's devilish cousins.

To the many who don't know him, we must continue to speak the truth in love.

 

[GEN2REV]

As a believer in the true oneness of God, thereby denying the trinity, I'm called many rather unsavory names. Perhaps "rank heretic" is most common.

So who is Jesus to a "rank heretic?"

1. In Genesis he is the promised seed of the woman.
2. In Exodus he is the Passover lamb.
3. In Leviticus he is the High Priest.
4. In Numbers he is the star to rise out of Jacob.
5. In Deuteronomy he is the two laws: Love God and love your neighbor.
6. In Joshua he is the captain of the Lord of Hosts.
7. In Judges he is the covenant angel named Wonderful.
8. In Ruth he is the kinsman redeemer.
9. In Samuel he is the root and offspring of David.
10. In Kings he is the greater than the Temple.
11. In Chronicles he is the King's son.
12. In Ezra & Nehemiah he is the rebuilder.
13. In Esther he is the savior of God's people.
14. In Job he is the daysman.
15. In Psalms he is the song.
16. In Proverbs he is the wisdom of God.
17. In Ecclesiastes he is the one among a thousand.
18. In The Song of Solomon he is the bridegroom of the bride.
19. In Isaiah he is Jacob's branch.
20. In Jeremiah he is our righteousness.
21. In Lamentations he is the unbelievers' judgement.
22. In Ezekiel he is the true shepherd.
23. In Daniel he is the stone that became the head of the corner.
24. In Hosea he is the latter rain.
25. In Joel he is God's dwelling in Zion.
26. In Amos he is the raiser of David's tabernacle.
27. In Obadiah he is the deliverer on Mount Zion.
28. In Jonah he is our salvation.
29. In Micah he is the Lord of kings.
30. In Nahum he is the stronghold in the time of trouble.
31. In Habakkuk he is our joy and confidence.
32. In Zephaniah he is our mighty Lord.
33. In Haggai he is the desire of the nations.
34. In Zechariah he is our servant The Branch.
35. In Malachi he is the son of Righteousness.
36. In Matthew he is Jehovah's Messiah.
37. In Mark he is Jehovah's servant.
38. In Luke he is Jehovah's man.
39. In John he is Jehovah's Son.
40. In Acts he is the gift of holy spirit.
41. In Romans he is the believers' justification.
42. In Corinthians he is the believers' sanctification.
43. In Galatians he is the believers' righteousness.
44. In Ephesians he is the believers' heavenly standing.
45. In Philippians he is the believers' self adequacy.
46. In Colossians he is the believers' completeness.
47. In Thessalonians he is the believers' soon glorification.
48. In Timothy he is the faithful men.
49. In Titus he is the fellow-laborer.
50. In Philemon he is the love of a believer.
51. In Hebrews he is the High Priest for sin.
52. In James he is the royal law.
53. In Peter he is the pastor.
54. In John he is as we are.
55. In Jude he is the beloved.
56. In Revelation he is the King of kings and the Lord of lords.

I think this is a much higher view than simply thinking God always somehow managed to obey Himself, and also went so far as to believe Himself that He'd raise Himself from the dead. God is much bigger than that.

God managed to come up with a plan (the actual logos of John 1) so that a man with free will, tempted in all points as us, could believe enough to follow that plan to perfection. God was a genius for coning up with the plan and Jesus was a hero of heroes for carrying out the plan despite the grave consequences he had to experience.

Making Jesus God simply minimizes the greatness of both God and His son. God became little more than a bully who did whatever He wanted to do despite man's free will, That would be a perfect description of all the other Ancient Near East gods, but it's an insult to the greatness of our God, YHWH.

To a non-trinitarian, Jesus is God.

To a trinitarian, Jesus is an idol.

 

[Rich R]

To a non-trinitarian, Jesus is God.

To a trinitarian, Jesus is an idol.

If that is true, I am neither a trinitarian nor a non-trinitarian. So what would I be then?

 

[GEN2REV]

If that is true, I am neither a trinitarian nor a non-trinitarian. So what would I be then?

I can't remember enough of your posts to say confidently, but I'm betting you're a trinitarian that doesn't want to accept that the jesus of the trinity is an idol.

Yes?

 

[Earburner]

There are no rank heretics, only heretics. And only heretics burn dissenters.



There is also man's philosophy rather than doctrine of Christ: The oneness of Scripture is of perfect unity, not being one person alone, whether it was the army of Israel being as one man In Judges, or is the Father, the Son, and the body of Christ in John 17.

You see, dismissing a heretic in Scripture is for a reason: it simply means to try once or twice to correct someone with sound reading of Scripture, and if they refuse, then leave them alone to themselves:

Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

You're not a heretic because you worship your own jehovah rather than Jesus Christ. You're a heretic, because you mishandle Scripture on purpose in order to worship your own jehovah rather than Jesus Christ.

Idolatry is simply the natural end of all heretics that repent not.

You see, your true oneness of God is not Scriptural, and so you're not worshipping the one true God, Who is both the Father and the Son:

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The name of Yehovah never appears in Scripture as LORD after Malachi. Only the name of Jesus, which is now above every name ever named by God and man.

The Lord Jesus on earth was the Father's servant. Not Yehovah's. You see once again, how as a heretic you purposely mishandle Scripture in order to continue in your idolatry?

I've learned something about the real root of all fringe heretics: knowledge pride. They really think they are special, because they imagine they have hit upon some really great and deep dark secret, that the average reading schlub needs desperately to be informed of. And so they go out of your away like all proselytizers to publish their too obvious twisting of Scripture to do it.

I.e. the only thing rank about you, is your grade-school level ignorance of the Book, being trumpeted as something really ingenious and unique: you insult the intelligence of the average reader that comprehends what is plainly written.

And so, it's not so much your heresy and idolatry that is offensive to man (you an answer to the Lamb for that), but it's the rank stupidity of your teaching. I mean, once someone tries to say the Word was not God, when the Book plainly says the Word was God, we know we are not dealing with a serious person, but only a clown who can't even get his face painted right.



Scripture of course declares He sends the Holy Spirit, Spirit of truth, and Comforter to His people.

Being an heretic is one thing, but you could at least not be so obvious about it.

The gift of the Holy Spirit is power to become sons of God:

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Case in point: God is not His law. God is not the law. God is the Word, Who is the Lawgiver.



And so, the KING of KINGS and the LORD of LORDS is Jesus Christ, who named Himself Yehovah, before coming down from heaven by commandment of the Father to become the Son named Jesus.



As I said: special knowledge pride. Really really high up there stuff.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.



And then you go from proclaiming yourself really high up there, back down to your grade-school level snickering at what you do not understand.

In the end, your idolatry is simply cover for your unrenewed carnal mind, that is blind to the true things of God simply written in Scripture.

And like all such childish little snickerers, you need to degrade the intelligence of others, in order to think so highly of yourself.

In Scripture, it's called 'jesting': accusations under the cover of joking mockery.

The true God Yehovah obeyed the commandment of the Father to be made flesh on earth, and by faith through the eternal Spirit offered Himself upon the cross, and when it was finished, He became the quickening Spirit for man's rebirth and resurrection, and departed from His own mortal body to preach to the spirits in prison, and with all power resurrected His dead body from the grave, and ascended to return to the Father and sit on their throne together at His right hand.

They both now sit on the same throne side by side: the Father on the left, and the Son on the right, Which in turn places the Son in position of authority on the throne, Having taken upon Himself the form of a servant on earth, now He is exalted high above all authority and power on the throne of God with His Father.

Simple.



Perfect! I have been saying that the jehovah idolators were making Jesus into just another new pagan hero cult! He's the new Herakles deified to be with the gods, after having lived such a heroic life on earth, having been born of the King of Gods Father Zeus!

Thanks much for confirming that. You are not just an idolator, but a pagan one: your jehovah is not the cult afterall, but Jesus is!

You idolize your Zeus-jehovah, while cult worshipping his son Herakles-christ!

And so, it was your forefathers of pagan Greece and Rome that burned the heretic Christians for rejecting the gods, and declaring Jesus to be Son and God.

You, of course, have not their spunk. You just like to idolaize yourself really smart.

Grave consequences: I always think it's cute when people like you try to dignify your heresy with 'grave' words, to show how really really sincere and grave you are about it. Really really cute.



Jesus is not made God. Making Jesus not God and a god is pagan hero worship.



This makes no sense, but obviously comes from an offended pagan's hurt feelings. So now Judas was the one sent by your jehovah? Actually, that makes perfect sense.

Judas Iscariot is son of jehovah-Zeus.

In any case, when speaking of your god jehovah, speak for yourself. There is no 'we' here. It's always the same with every proselytizer wanting to compel a 'we' into everything, as though by the mere word it would make others agree they are already part of it.

Not only are you an idolator, but also a pagan one, as well as a rank amateur of boorish knowledge and silly psychology.

And remember, it has nothing to do with neighborliness, which many pagans of history were quite neighborly. I just get quickly fed up with having my intelligence insulted by preening children playing stupid games with Scripture:

For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts.

Since you already replied as a book, of how one is a heretic, I have one question, in regards to KJV John 14[23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Is the Holy Spirit a separate entity of the God head, or is He a combination of only the Father and the Son, of which what had already been in eternity past, before the world was?
Please keep it simple,..... because it really is!

Support scripture:
John 17[4] I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
[5] And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

 

[Rich R]

I can't remember enough of your posts to say confidently, but I'm betting you're a trinitarian that doesn't want to accept that the jesus of the trinity is an idol.

Yes?

No. I believe:

1. No trinity
2. Jesus is the son of God, hence he is not God
3. Jesus was born like Moses and all other humans, hence he did not exist from eternity except in God's mind (like all Christians)

I just think of myself as a son of God. I think that is more than sufficient to live a victorious life. What more could anybody want?

 

[GEN2REV]

No. I believe:

1. No trinity
2. Jesus is the son of God, hence he is not God
3. Jesus was born like Moses and all other humans, hence he did not exist from eternity except in God's mind (like all Christians)

I just think of myself as a son of God. I think that is more than sufficient to live a victorious life. What more could anybody want?

No trinity is a great start, but are you aware the rest is a Word of Faith cult teaching that is not at all Biblical?

No offense intended.

Just saying.

Are you a Creflo Dollar fan? Hagen? Osteen?

They teach that Jesus is not God so they can support the false doctrine that we are all equal to Jesus and, thus, perpetuate the very old New Age concept that we are all gods, little g, and further devalue the significance of what was accomplished on the Cross.

They teach that the Cross was insufficient - while Christ Himself (God Himself) said "It is finished." All of His work was completed at the Cross.

Those who teach what you believe claim that it was not.

 

[Rich R]

No trinity is a great start, but are you aware the rest is a Word of Faith cult teaching that is not at all Biblical?

No offense intended.

Just saying.

Are you a Creflo Dollar fan? Hagen? Osteen?

They teach that Jesus is not God so they can support the false doctrine that we are all equal to Jesus and, thus, perpetuate the very old New Age concept that we are all gods, little g, and further devalue the significance of what was accomplished on the Cross.

They teach that the Cross was insufficient - while Christ Himself (God Himself) said "It is finished." All of His work was completed at the Cross.

Those who teach what you believe claim that it was not.

No offense taken. Especially, because, while I've heard of those people, I know nothing about them.

Jesus is called the son of God more than 35 times, hence my assertion that he is the son of God. Assuming we are willing to stick with the normal meaning of words, grammar, and concepts, being the son of God precludes him from being God. Of course, if we want to discard the normal meaning of words, grammar, and concepts I suppose we can go anywhere we want; no logic required. That's the only way they come up with a son being his own father at the same time.

Deut 18:15,

The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;​

Not sure how that doesn't say, "The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken," hence my assertion that Jesus was like Moses.

Heb 2:17,

Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto [his] brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things [pertaining] to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

A simple ascertain here: "Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto [his] brethren..." But if Jesus is 100% man and 100% God, and he's just like us, then wouldn't that make us also 100% man and 100% God? That's even worse than what those other guys say. Or could it be that Hebrews 2:17 isn't true?​

Heb 4:15,

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.​

Jesus was in all points tempted as we are. Do you have a sense of being 100% man and 100% God when tempted? Assuming you don't, why wouldn't Hebrews 4:15 be a misrepresentation if not an outright lie? So much more could be said about this one verse, but it's also quite sufficient to simply read it as written without adding to it.

I'm glad we both think that when Jesus said, "It is finished" our redemption was finished. I can't image taking that any other way. What do those other says we need in addition?

 

[GEN2REV]

I'm glad we both think that when Jesus said, "It is finished" our redemption was finished. I can't image taking that any other way. What do those other says we need in addition?

Not sure. I'd have to look back into it and see.

Curious. How did you first come to the conclusion that Jesus was/is not God?

By chance, did you read the Bible, cover to cover, and conclude that?

It's interesting to me when somebody who says "being the son of God precludes Him from being God" reads all the verses in Scripture that reveal Jesus to be God, what is the thought process?

"Well, the common understanding of mankind is that a son can't be his father, therefore that must be how it works for God as well."

Why doesn't a person like that consider that 'if the Bible says it, but I don't currently understand how it's possible, maybe I should just trust the Bible as God's Word until I maybe someday do understand it.' ??

Instead, those who see it as you do, simply 100% dismiss the Bible's teaching, in many places throughout Scripture, that Jesus is God - in favor of common human reasoning that a human son cannot be the father/source of their existence.

A spirit can do things that a human cannot. If a spirit places itself, or a portion of itself, into a womb/egg, in a supernatural way, it is actually very easy to imagine how the person who becomes of that egg and spiritual insemination would very clearly be that spirit that was their original cause.

 

[Earburner]

I posed a scriptural question on this page 5, but apparently no one has an answer.
Is the Holy Spirit a separate entity of the God head, or is He a combination of only the Father and the Son, of which what had already been in eternity past, before the world was?
Please keep it simple,..... because it really is!

So, maybe the following scriptures will invite an answer.
1 Corinthians 15:19-28
[24] Then cometh the end, when he [God the Son] shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
[28] And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

 

[Keiw]

To a non-trinitarian, Jesus is God.

To a trinitarian, Jesus is an idol.

I am a non trinitarian, i know 100% Jesus is not God. God did not come to earth. The bible is clear, God sent another= The speaker at Prov 8= Gods master worker, the one whom God created all other things through.