Beheaded OSAS: Soul Separation from the Body

[GRACE ambassador]

OSAS is false because….

We are told:

“...We are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end.” (HEBREWS 3:13-14).

No, not We, but The HEBREWS (TWELVE tribes) Were Told That,
In God's Context Of: "prophecy and law."

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

God's Sound Doctrine Of HIS ETERNAL Salvation IS for the we, The
ONE Body Of Christ, In God's Other Context Of "MYSTERY And GRACE!":
We Are Told we Are:

(1) Accepted In The Beloved, To The Praise Of
The Glory Of HIS GRACE! (Ephesians 1:6)
+
60+ Plain And Clear Scriptures:
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babe In Christ
+

God Predestinated HIS saints to obtain an inheritance
After The Counsel Of HIS Own Will! Ephesians_1:11
+
Over 50 Plain And Clear Scriptures Found Here:
God's Eternal Assurance
+
GRACE And Peace...

 

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No, not We, but The HEBREWS (TWELVE tribes) Were Told That,
In God's Context Of: "prophecy and law."

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

God's Sound Doctrine Of HIS ETERNAL Salvation IS for the we, The
ONE Body Of Christ, In God's Other Context Of "MYSTERY And GRACE!":
We Are Told we Are:

(1) Accepted In The Beloved, To The Praise Of
The Glory Of HIS GRACE! (Ephesians 1:6)
+
60+ Plain And Clear Scriptures:
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babe In Christ
+

God Predestinated HIS saints to obtain an inheritance
After The Counsel Of HIS Own Will! Ephesians_1:11
+
Over 50 Plain And Clear Scriptures Found Here:
God's Eternal Assurance
+
GRACE And Peace...

That really does not explain away the verses I put forth.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Eternal life is a person named Jesus Christ (John 14:6), and it’s not a super power or magical wish granted to you.
Christ alone has immortality (1 Timothy 6:16).

Eternal life is a promise made by Jesus Christ, It is given to those who believe, It is promised in John 3, John 4 John 5 John 6 to name but a few.
John says we have it, not only that we have it, but we can know we have it. And by this knowledge continue to believe (hope)

He that has the Son has life and he that does not have the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12).
The assurance that we know the Lord (or abide in Him) is if we find we are keeping His commandments (See: 1 John 2:3).
The person who says they know the Lord and they don’t keep His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in them (1 John 2:4).
So if you want to live forever, abide in the Lord.
For if you live after the flesh (sin), you will die, but if you put to death the misdeeds of the body (sin) by the Spirit, you will live (live eternally) (Romans 8:13).
Sin can separate a believer from God.
Sin in a person’s life or their justifying sin will mean that God will not even hear their prayers (Psalms 66:18) (John 9:31).

Feel free to try to earn your salvation by your deeds. I was saved by Grace through faith. And in that, Jesus said I will NEVER DIE. John again said I can know I have eternal life.

Listening to you. That is impossible to know.

Galatians 5:24 says they that are Christ’s have crucified the affections and lusts.
1 Peter 4:1-2 says Therefore, since Christ suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind, for he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, that he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh for the lusts of men, but for the will of God.
2 Corinthians 7:1 says let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Whenever I mention these verses to OSASers or Perpetual Belief Alone Salvationists, they don’t believe them in what they say.

Aww so you must be anther pharisee (sinless perfectionist) and denies the word of John that if you claim to be without sin you are decieved.

On top of that, most of them also falsely think 1 John 1:8 is saying that a believer must be in some kind of sin the rest of their whole life on some level. If not, they deceive themselves, and the truth is not in them. But in reality, 1 John 1:8 is refuting the false gnostic belief that denied the existence of sin in general. Meaning, if we say we have no sin (If we do happen to sin on rare occasion), we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. They also love to quote Isaiah and say that our righteousness is as filthy rags and yet they are reading that verse in Isaiah out of context. In reality, it’s talking about man made righteousness that is not the righteous acts of God that He requires of us (From His Holy Word).

My friend I would stop putting words in peoples mouths.

John 1; 8 is clear. If we say we have no sin (present tense) we are decieved. If you think you are perfectly righteous with no sin in this moment, you are decieved. it does not mean we must sin, Must sin and will sin are two different things.

OSASers admitted to me that if a believer looked upon a woman in lust, and then got hit by a bus and then died before they had a chance to confess of that sin to Jesus, they would be saved. This is a denial of 1 John 1:9 that says you have to confess of sin in order to be forgiven of it. In fact, Jesus says we are in danger of hellfire if we look upon a woman in lust. Yet again. They don’t believe the words of Jesus.

The list goes on and on.

So yes. To deny the real reality of these verses and or the words of our Lord means one is justifying sin on some level.

Ah, So you want to be under law and not under grace. Well good luck with that. 1 John 1; 9 is not to restor our salvation. If salvation must be restored after every sin we would be required to know every sin we commit, remember them when we pray and then confess them, which is impossible. You have not only a meaningless self righteous gospel of works and pumping your chest. You have a works based on law and not grace

Don;t yell at people who trust Christ because they are secure in him, Rejoice with them, and join them.

 

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No, not We, but The HEBREWS (TWELVE tribes) Were Told That,
In God's Context Of: "prophecy and law."

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

God's Sound Doctrine Of HIS ETERNAL Salvation IS for the we, The
ONE Body Of Christ, In God's Other Context Of "MYSTERY And GRACE!":
We Are Told we Are:

(1) Accepted In The Beloved, To The Praise Of
The Glory Of HIS GRACE! (Ephesians 1:6)
+
60+ Plain And Clear Scriptures:
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babe In Christ
+

God Predestinated HIS saints to obtain an inheritance
After The Counsel Of HIS Own Will! Ephesians_1:11
+
Over 50 Plain And Clear Scriptures Found Here:
God's Eternal Assurance
+
GRACE And Peace...

We are made partakers with Christ is what is says. Are you saying there are two people groups and or ways of salvaiton that are different? One plan of salvation for the Jews and one for the Gentiles? Scripture says God is not a respecter of persons. Scripture says there is no Jew or Gentile in Christ.

 

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Eternal life is a promise made by Jesus Christ, It is given to those who believe, It is promised in John 3, John 4 John 5 John 6 to name but a few.
John says we have it, not only that we have it, but we can know we have it. And by this knowledge continue to believe (hope)

You quote whole chapters? Please be more specific in your quotations of where specifically you believe God promises eternal life despite if we sin, and or turn away from Him.

Feel free to try to earn your salvation by your deeds.

I believe in two aspects of salvation and not just one.
I believe genuine Christians are saved by:

#1. God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ, and believing the gospel message in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
(This is a process of salvation that is without works and is based upon God's grace and mercy) (It is how a person is first saved) (Ephesians 2:8-9).

#2. Sanctification of the Holy Spirit to live a holy life (2 Thessalonians 2:13) (Romans 8:13). This is the secondary aspect of salvation that follows after one is saved by God’s grace. This is overcoming grievous sin, doing good works (Fruit), and keeping oneself pure and unspotted from this world. This is synergistic. We let God do the good work through us, and to live a holy life when we surrender to Him. So all praise, boasting, and glory is given to God and not ourselves.

I was saved by Grace through faith. And in that, Jesus said I will NEVER DIE.

John 11:26 says:
“And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”

This verse cannot be isolated from our reading of the rest of the Bible.

Jesus also said back in John 8 the following words:

“He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.” (John 8:47).

In fact, if we don't receive the words of Jesus, those words will judge us on the last day.

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.” (John 12:48).

What words of Jesus can judge us on the last day if we don't receive them?

Oh, words like Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 12:37, Luke 9:62, Matthew 25:31-46.
Most Christians who believe as you do simply do not believe these above verses at face value. They simply don't believe these verses apply to them.

In Matthew 7:26-27, Jesus said that everyone who does not do what He says is like a fool who built His house upon the sand, and when a storm came, great was the fall of that house. Doesn’t sound like they are saved. In fact, these words tie into Matthew 7:22-23.

In other words, “believing in Jesus” is more than just believing in the person of Christ for salvation it is also believing everything He taught, said, and did, too.

John again said I can know I have eternal life.

Listening to you. That is impossible to know.

Not true. I told you already. You can have an assurance in knowing the Lord (Who is eternal life) if you find you are keeping His commandments (1 John 2:3). That’s your assurance. If you obey, you have the assurance of eternal life. It would prove that the Lord is abiding in you. You cannot have salvation without the Lord (1 John 5:12).

Aww so you must be anther pharisee (sinless perfectionist) and denies the word of John that if you claim to be without sin you are decieved.

Not all sin condemns (1 John 5:16-17) (Matthew 5:22).
There is a bare level minimum of living holy to enter the Kingdom.
Sinless Perfection is going beyond meeting the bare level minimum requirement to enter the Kingdom.
So Sinless Perfection is not a salvation issue.

My friend I would stop putting words in peoples mouths.

I am only providing to you the popular sin and still be Salvationists beliefs given to me over the many years.
So it’s not a false accusation by any means.

John 1; 8 is clear. If we say we have no sin (present tense) we are decieved. If you think you are perfectly righteous with no sin in this moment, you are decieved. it does not mean we must sin, Must sin and will sin are two different things.

Please show me in the context that is what 1 John 1:8 is saying.
Try as you may, you will not find such a context. You will find 1 John 1:10 saying that if we say we have never sinned (past tense). But we both agree that we have sinned in our old life, right? So 1 John 1:10 is talking about people who deny sin’s existence. The same is true for 1 John 1:8 but it is speaking in the present tense. Meaning, 1 John 1:8 is a warning to the brethren about the false gnostic belief that said that sin was an illusion. So if we say we have no sin (if we do happen to sin) we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. That’s what it is saying. For if not, then 1 John 2:4 is lying.

Ah, So you want to be under law and not under grace. Well good luck with that.

*Sigh* When Paul talks negatively against the Law, he is referring to the whole package deal set of Laws given to Israel (the 613). Granted, certain laws have repeated themselves in the New Covenant within the Laws of Christ, but Paul was not condemning the laws of Christ. Paul says he is under the laws of Christ in 1 Corinthians 9:21.

1 John 1; 9 is not to restor our salvation. If salvation must be restored after every sin we would be required to know every sin we commit, remember them when we pray and then confess them, which is impossible. You have not only a meaningless self righteous gospel of works and pumping your chest. You have a works based on law and not grace

This is simply you not believing 1 John 1:9. It says if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. How exactly do you believe that verse? You don’t.

Don;t yell at people who trust Christ because they are secure in him, Rejoice with them, and join them.

Well, I am actually typing and not yelling. Yelling in written form usually takes on the form of words written all in capitalized letters (Which is not always the case). I don’t believe I have done that.

Also, you ignored my Scriptural points from before. Please go back and explain them.

 

[robert derrick]

It’s a shame a good many more would not turn from theology that they have taken on board from others over the years !
I do hope everyone here independently reads their bibles , including you and others that throw stones at others all the time………

I was in a pentecostal cultish holiness organization, until I broke from the great leaders.

Only then did God start opening my eyes through Scripture to show me how wrong we all were.

The Jews still read with vail of Moses, and christians can be reading with vail of tradition, theology, and/or leadership.

I also know exactly when I stopped reading and believing for myself: when I believed it was more important to be at the group bible study, then to be reading and studying for myself.

And being so cultish, they were having services as much as 5 times a week, including twice on Sunday, not to mention the 7day 'revival' times.

Ok, it wasn't just cultish. It was a full blown cult unto ourselves. Only themselves now.

When someone begins to make no common sense in their doctrine, and you can't talk any sense to them, that is when someone is not currently able to be helped.

 

[robert derrick]

I am amazed at all the new threads @robert derrick opened with his anti osas hate, where he proves time and time again, he does not even understand what OSAS is or what those who believe in eternal security believe

The hate began with you and your fellow lifetime christian sinners, who first began to attack the preaching of righteousness and the saints as all being self-righteous decieved boasters of the devil, because they refuse to repent and consent to being ongoing self-justifying sinners such as yourself.

Until then, it was all honest Scriptural dispute.

You started the war against the saints, and the doctrine of Christ will end it. His sword is not defensive only.

I no longer bother trying to correct you, but only expose you for what you really are: sinful haters of God's righteousness and His law against sinning for the devil, by grace.

I am seeing more and more coming out boldly to preach true righteous grace and faith of Jesus, which is a great blessing, while you people are being seen as nothing more than indoctrinated sinners for life, who get more off the deep end, every time you try to justify it.

What you children of disobedience do not like and hate the most, is having all your foolishness stripped down to the core, without all the fluttering celebratory fair speeches around it:

For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

 

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Also, you never clarify how your OSAS is different from there's.

I'm not sure how you've missed that, but I'll be happy to oblige! I have a dentist appt now though. Be back later!

Much love!

 

[robert derrick]

*Sigh*

That about sums it up. You are receiving the baptism of fire for preaching righteous grace of Jesus Christ.

You see you are getting every standard bullet and fiery dart shot against you: earning your salvation, another self-righteous legalist Pharisee of the devil, lying about others when you quote them, under the law, chest thumping boasting and devilish pride, saved by your own works, etc...

All in one post by one of their elite sinner warriors against righteousness.

They left out their favorite missile though: by doing His law and word righteously, you are denying Jesus altogether and making His cross of no effect.

And don't you just love it when they tell you what a self-righteous boasting Pharisee you are, the very same as them that had Jesus crucified, then call you friend.

Keep up the good fight though, I'm sure they'll get around to their last ditch missile for you too.

 

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But this will be the last time.

That is, Are you interested? Or no?

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You quote whole chapters? Please be more specific in your quotations of where specifically you believe God promises eternal life despite if we sin, and or turn away from Him.

So when jesus said we will never die, have eternal life, have rivers of living water flowing to eternal life. will never die, live forever, have eternal life will never be lost, will be raised personally by him on the last day (john 3, john 4 and john 6) then Jesu slied.

despite we sin? you are condemning everyone including yourself when you make statements like that.

I believe in two aspects of salvation and not just one.

Then you believe in a different gospel.

I believe genuine Christians are saved by:

#1. God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ, and believing the gospel message in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
(This is a process of salvation that is without works and is based upon God's grace and mercy) (It is how a person is first saved) (Ephesians 2:8-9).

#2. Sanctification of the Holy Spirit to live a holy life (2 Thessalonians 2:13) (Romans 8:13). This is the secondary aspect of salvation that follows after one is saved by God’s grace. This is overcoming grievous sin, doing good works (Fruit), and keeping oneself pure and unspotted from this world. This is synergistic. We let God do the good work through us, and to live a holy life when we surrender to Him. So all praise, boasting, and glory is given to God and not ourselves.

Then you fit in the group that Paul warned about. the group he called fools, who determined they were initially saved by the spirit. but felt they needed to perfect it in the flesh.

John 11:26 says:
“And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”

This verse cannot be isolated from our reading of the rest of the Bible.

Jesus also said back in John 8 the following words:

“He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.” (John 8:47).

In fact, if we don't receive the words of Jesus, those words will judge us on the last day.

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.” (John 12:48).

What words of Jesus can judge us on the last day if we don't receive them?

Oh, words like Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 12:37, Luke 9:62, Matthew 25:31-46.
Most Christians who believe as you do simply do not believe these above verses at face value. They simply don't believe these verses apply to them.

In Matthew 7:26-27, Jesus said that everyone who does not do what He says is like a fool who built His house upon the sand, and when a storm came, great was the fall of that house. Doesn’t sound like they are saved. In fact, these words tie into Matthew 7:22-23.

In other words, “believing in Jesus” is more than just believing in the person of Christ for salvation it is also believing everything He taught, said, and did, too.

Here is the issue

we have Gods standard of righteousness (perfection)

and we have yours (whatever standard you determine we must live above)

people like me own up to the fact we do not live up to Gods standard. And continue to look to God for strength and hope

People like you water down Gods standard, Act like you are righteous and truly obedient, then judge those who confess they have not met Gods standard.

Not true. I told you already. You can have an assurance in knowing the Lord (Who is eternal life) if you find you are keeping His commandments (1 John 2:3). That’s your assurance. If you obey, you have the assurance of eternal life. It would prove that the Lord is abiding in you. You cannot have salvation without the Lord (1 John 5:12).

Thats not assurance, Thats based on self not God. how can you trust yourself to continue for the rest of your life? You can;t

Not all sin condemns (1 John 5:16-17) (Matthew 5:22).
There is a bare level minimum of living holy to enter the Kingdom.
Sinless Perfection is going beyond meeting the bare level minimum requirement to enter the Kingdom.
So Sinless Perfection is not a salvation issue.

see there you go, watering down Gods law as I said you did.

James disagrees with you. If you STUMBLE and break the LEAST of the commands (if you say a white lie) you are guilty of all.

I am only providing to you the popular sin and still be Salvationists beliefs given to me over the many years.
So it’s not a false accusation by any means.

Own up to your own sin my friend.

Please show me in the context that is what 1 John 1:8 is saying.
Try as you may, you will not find such a context. You will find 1 John 1:10 saying that if we say we have never sinned (past tense). But we both agree that we have sinned in our old life, right? So 1 John 1:10 is talking about people who deny sin’s existence. The same is true for 1 John 1:8 but it is speaking in the present tense. Meaning, 1 John 1:8 is a warning to the brethren about the false gnostic belief that said that sin was an illusion. So if we say we have no sin (if we do happen to sin) we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. That’s what it is saying. For if not, then 1 John 2:4 is lying.

The word gnostic is not in the words of John anywhere

He said, If we say WE HAVE NO SIN. we decieve ourselves.

period.

*Sigh* When Paul talks negatively against the Law, he is referring to the whole package deal set of Laws given to Israel (the 613). Granted, certain laws have repeated themselves in the New Covenant within the Laws of Christ, but Paul was not condemning the laws of Christ. Paul says he is under the laws of Christ in 1 Corinthians 9:21.

No. In those same passages he said the law proves they have sinned..

This is simply you not believing 1 John 1:9. It says if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. How exactly do you believe that verse? You don’t.

If we confess (state) our sin to God we will be healed.

James I believe says the same thing, confess your sins to ohters, that you may be healed. do you believe James?

You want to make a gospel based on one verse??

Well, I am actually typing and not yelling. Yelling in written form usually takes on the form of words written all in capitalized letters (Which is not always the case). I don’t believe I have done that.

Also, you ignored my Scriptural points from before. Please go back and explain them.

your defenition ond others definition of yelling are not the same

You can yell with the words you use, without raising your voice. Your judging people.

Your scripture points do not prove you right, and your interpretation of those scripture causes scripture to contradict itself.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The hate began with you and your fellow lifetime christian sinners, who first began to attack the preaching of righteousness and the saints as all being self-righteous decieved boasters of the devil, because they refuse to repent and consent to being ongoing self-justifying sinners such as yourself.

excuse me sir. we preach sanctification and christian growth, we judge sin, and we take people under care of us in discipleship aside and hold them accountable for their sins.

So you can lie about us all you want, I guess if it makes you feel better, then go ahead.

Until then, it was all honest Scriptural dispute.

You started the war against the saints, and the doctrine of Christ will end it. His sword is not defensive only.

I no longer bother trying to correct you, but only expose you for what you really are: sinful haters of God's righteousness and His law against sinning for the devil, by grace.

I am seeing more and more coming out boldly to preach true righteous grace and faith of Jesus, which is a great blessing, while you people are being seen as nothing more than indoctrinated sinners for life, who get more off the deep end, every time you try to justify it.

What you children of disobedience do not like and hate the most, is having all your foolishness stripped down to the core, without all the fluttering celebratory fair speeches around it:

For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

My war is not against preaching obedience and good works.

Gods war is against those who teach a works based self righteous gospel. trying to get to God under their terms, and rejecting his gospel of Grace

 

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Also, you never clarify how your OSAS is different from there's.

So, I would be glad to hear your teaching of OSAS.

The most simply stated, we neither caused ourselves to be born of our natural parents, nor did we cause ourselves to be born from God. And in that same way, just as we cannot cause ourselves to be somehow "unborn" from our parents, neither can we cause ourselves to be "unborn" from God. We just aren't capable of such things. Having been born, we exist, that's that.

When we believe God, receiving Jesus, He immerses us into Jesus' death and burial. In doing this, we share the result of His death, we are separated from our flesh. If we die without Jesus, our soul separates from the flesh, and awaits judgment. In Christ, however, we have a new life, and our body, though dead because of sin, remains our "temporary home" in this world.

At no time does God say that He will cause or allow His spiritual children to die a spiritual death, and many times He affirms this does not happen.

God speaks in His Word to both saved and unsaved, and to unsaved who think they are saved. He gives the means by which we know which we are.

Having been born from God, we are alive with His life, alive because we are united to Him. We have been justified from our sin, that is, separated by death and a new creation, that in our new creation we do not share the guilt of our flesh.

You're objection is that I still commit sins, and that's not what a Christian does, so that's that, Oh you who believe OSAS and sin! You are lost because of that sin. Your OSAS is hypocrisy! (Correct me if I'm wrong please)

And I reply that God is working in us that we do not sin, and that as we walk in the Spirit, we don't sin, and that more consistent walking in the Spirit happens as our faith increases, as we become more mature in our faith.

God shows in His Word that He will spend the rest of our lives continuing to improve us. He assures us that even though we may, perhaps will, commit sins, Jesus is our forever intercessor, and nothing will separate us from His love.

And He answers this objection that OSAS makes me somehow "soft on sin", or otherwise unwilling to resist it,

1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

This hope - our expectation according to His promise, that we will in fact see Him, and we will in fact be like Him when we do see Him - when we have this hope, we purify ourselves. OSAS causes us to live more pure lives.

And this makes sense also, as we realize that our reconciliation to God is not based on what we do or don't do, it's found in Christ's death, His forever accomplished "act of obedience". We are reconciled, we are reborn, and now, our minds are being renewed. Retraining the ways we think, to be in alignment with what God says in His Word, and by His Spirit in our hearts as we come to know Him, and His wonderful love for us.

It's in realizing that Jesus keeps me saved, not me, that I become free from the tyranny of my legalistic conscience, which condemns me, leads me to think I'm cut off from God, while God Himself, my actual Lord, Master, is always here and at the ready to guide me not by conscience but in my spirit.

Conscience is good, but conscience isn't perfect, and you had a conscience before you were reborn, so it too is subject to the renewing of the mind. God has to fix our conscience like He does the rest of our mind and soul. We don't serve our conscience, we serve Christ.

Conscience is simply our own personal version of "The Law", and as such, actually provokes sin in the flesh,

Romans 7:5 KJV
For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

So while it seems good to obey the commandments, they are not the spiritual ruling of Christ in your heart, and it becomes not serving Christ Himself, instead serving the list of commandments such as you understand and interpret them. There are many of course that we cannot do in this day.

But in obeying Christ Himself, we fulfill all that needs be fulfilled. He already fulfills the Law "in us", notice He does not say "through us", or "by us". This is not to say that being born again makes Gentiles automatically compliant to Mosaic Law, the Law and the Prophets. Even the Sermon on the Mount, while it shows God's way of understanding these things, does not replace the Holy Spirit in our hearts guiding us, showing us His wisdom and life.

Make no mistake, I do not diminish Scripture. It's how we know if we are in error or not. It's how we discover and grow, and I think the Bible is the way to reform our thinking processes to be Godly. Read it, study it, meditate on it, learn it.

At the end of the day, we are reconciled in Christ, and not in our own behavior. Having received that reconciliation, God gives us new life, Jesus' life within us, which is eternal and everlasting. From this time forward, as we continue to live in corrupt flesh, He continues to train us in righteousness, doing His works and not our own

When the end of our terrestrial life comes, He will transform our bodies into bodies uncorrupted by sin. And since our spirit is joined to God's Spirit, and since our flesh will be "uncorrupted", we will share life with Him forever.

If you want more detail, or the Scritpures where I find these teachings, I will, again, be happy to oblige!

Much love!

 

[robert derrick]

John 1; 8 is clear. If we say we have no sin (present tense) we are decieved. If you think you are perfectly righteous with no sin in this moment, you are decieved. it does not mean we must sin, Must sin and will sin are two different things..

Beautiful: We will doesn't mean we must, which must surely will.

OSAS doesn't just sin again, they prophecy it in all their teaching.

1 John 1; 9 is not to restoring our salvation. If salvation must be restored after every sin

No Restoring salvation: the OSAS lie of not needing fellowship with Jesus to be saved by Jesus. Confessing to be forgiven only restores fellowship, not being saved.

we would be required to know every sin we commit, remember them when we pray and then confess them,

God forbid. OSAS speaks of just sinning still from time to time, but plainly they need a calculator, or maybe some sinning steps app for OSAS sinners.

These people are also Catholic in their notions of confessional times.

which is impossible.

And more impossibilities with God declared by OSAS sinners for life.

Don;t yell at people who trust Christ because they are secure in him, Rejoice with them, and join them.

Cain spoke with Abel most congenially about rejoicing and joining with him, until Abel said no, because his religion was all smoke and no blood.

 

[robert derrick]

The most simply stated, we neither caused ourselves to be born of our natural parents, nor did we cause ourselves to be born from God. And in that same way, just as we cannot cause ourselves to be somehow "unborn" from our parents, neither can we cause ourselves to be "unborn" from God. We just aren't capable of such things. Having been born, we exist, that's that.

When we believe God, receiving Jesus, He immerses us into Jesus' death and burial. In doing this, we share the result of His death, we are separated from our flesh. If we die without Jesus, our soul separates from the flesh, and awaits judgment. In Christ, however, we have a new life, and our body, though dead because of sin, remains our "temporary home" in this world.

At no time does God say that He will cause or allow His spiritual children to die a spiritual death, and many times He affirms this does not happen.

God speaks in His Word to both saved and unsaved, and to unsaved who think they are saved. He gives the means by which we know which we are.

Having been born from God, we are alive with His life, alive because we are united to Him. We have been justified from our sin, that is, separated by death and a new creation, that in our new creation we do not share the guilt of our flesh.

You're objection is that I still commit sins, and that's not what a Christian does, so that's that, Oh you who believe OSAS and sin! You are lost because of that sin. Your OSAS is hypocrisy! (Correct me if I'm wrong please)

And I reply that God is working in us that we do not sin, and that as we walk in the Spirit, we don't sin, and that more consistent walking in the Spirit happens as our faith increases, as we become more mature in our faith.

God shows in His Word that He will spend the rest of our lives continuing to improve us. He assures us that even though we may, perhaps will, commit sins, Jesus is our forever intercessor, and nothing will separate us from His love.

And He answers this objection that OSAS makes me somehow "soft on sin", or otherwise unwilling to resist it,

1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

This hope - our expectation according to His promise, that we will in fact see Him, and we will in fact be like Him when we do see Him - when we have this hope, we purify ourselves. OSAS causes us to live more pure lives.

And this makes sense also, as we realize that our reconciliation to God is not based on what we do or don't do, it's found in Christ's death, His forever accomplished "act of obedience". We are reconciled, we are reborn, and now, our minds are being renewed. Retraining the ways we think, to be in alignment with what God says in His Word, and by His Spirit in our hearts as we come to know Him, and His wonderful love for us.

It's in realizing that Jesus keeps me saved, not me, that I become free from the tyranny of my legalistic conscience, which condemns me, leads me to think I'm cut off from God, while God Himself, my actual Lord, Master, is always here and at the ready to guide me not by conscience but in my spirit.

Conscience is good, but conscience isn't perfect, and you had a conscience before you were reborn, so it too is subject to the renewing of the mind. God has to fix our conscience like He does the rest of our mind and soul. We don't serve our conscience, we serve Christ.

Conscience is simply our own personal version of "The Law", and as such, actually provokes sin in the flesh,

Romans 7:5 KJV
For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

So while it seems good to obey the commandments, they are not the spiritual ruling of Christ in your heart, and it becomes not serving Christ Himself, instead serving the list of commandments such as you understand and interpret them. There are many of course that we cannot do in this day.

But in obeying Christ Himself, we fulfill all that needs be fulfilled. He already fulfills the Law "in us", notice He does not say "through us", or "by us". This is not to say that being born again makes Gentiles automatically compliant to Mosaic Law, the Law and the Prophets. Even the Sermon on the Mount, while it shows God's way of understanding these things, does not replace the Holy Spirit in our hearts guiding us, showing us His wisdom and life.

Make no mistake, I do not diminish Scripture. It's how we know if we are in error or not. It's how we discover and grow, and I think the Bible is the way to reform our thinking processes to be Godly. Read it, study it, meditate on it, learn it.

At the end of the day, we are reconciled in Christ, and not in our own behavior. Having received that reconciliation, God gives us new life, Jesus' life within us, which is eternal and everlasting. From this time forward, as we continue to live in corrupt flesh, He continues to train us in righteousness, doing His works and not our own

When the end of our terrestrial life comes, He will transform our bodies into bodies uncorrupted by sin. And since our spirit is joined to God's Spirit, and since our flesh will be "uncorrupted", we will share life with Him forever.

If you want more detail, or the Scritpures where I find these teachings, I will, again, be happy to oblige!

Much love!

Thank you. I'll be back.

 

[robert derrick]

excuse me sir. we preach sanctification and christian growth, we judge sin, and we take people under care of us in discipleship aside and hold them accountable for their sins.

So you can lie about us all you want, I guess if it makes you feel better, then go ahead.

My war is not against preaching obedience and good works.

Gods war is against those who teach a works based self righteous gospel. trying to get to God under their terms, and rejecting his gospel of Grace

No you are not excused. If you repent of attacking the righteous, then you can be forgiven.

You and your people started the war against the righteous by calling them self-righteous boasting pharisees, as you also have done once again here against another guiltless saint.

The Lord will finish it.

These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

There's probably ten horned foundation pebbles for OSAS.

 

[marks]

Thank you. I'll be back.

Still coming back?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Beautiful: We will doesn't mean we must, which must surely will.

OSAS doesn't just sin again, they prophecy it in all their teaching.

This makes no sense. WHo said we must?

You will. whether you like it or not.

And you again misrepresent OSAS. You need to stop that man. if your not willing to listen to what they actually believe, you should just stop. because your hurting yourself.

No Restoring salvation: the OSAS lie of not needing fellowship with Jesus to be saved by Jesus. Confessing to be forgiven only restores fellowship, not being saved.

Where you given the spirit as a guarantee UNTIL the day of redemption. or until you lose fellowship?

Where you given eternal life. or conditional life?

you can't have it both ways

God forbid. OSAS speaks of just sinning still from time to time, but plainly they need a calculator, or maybe some sinning steps app for OSAS sinners.

These people are also Catholic in their notions of confessional times.


And more impossibilities with God declared by OSAS sinners for life.



Cain spoke with Abel most congenially about rejoicing and joining with him, until Abel said no, because his religion was all smoke and no blood.

we don't need a calculator. Just one sin is enough. it does not matter if we do one sin a week. a day an hour or every 5 minutes. Unless we have the spirit in us and have been adopted. We are lost. If we are saved, we still would not earn salvation if we are the one who only sinned once a week. we are just as guilty as the rest.its the legalists that need a calculator. how good is good enough is a question which must be asked.

so do you have an answer?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No you are not excused. If you repent of attacking the righteous, then you can be forgiven.

I am not attacking the righteous buddy

I am attacking those who think they are righteous. and because of their righteousness, think they are saved by those works.

You and your people started the war against the righteous by calling them self-righteous boasting pharisees, as you also have done once again here against another guiltless saint.

Once again sir you bear false witness

I am righteous by the blood of Christ. and live my life to serve Christ. so I would be attacking myself

The Lord will finish it.

These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

There's probably ten horned foundation pebbles for OSAS.

your right he will. Many in that day will come and speak of all the works they did in his name, and Jesus will say depart from me, for I NEVER KNEW YOU

instead of focusing on works, and how righteous you THINK you are. I would turn to Christ and put your faith in him.

 

[robert derrick]

so do you have an answer?

You're a self-confessed unrighteous christian sinner, that accuses all the righteous being self-righteous Pharisee boasters.