Acts 2:38 has been abandoned by Christianity

[Jim B]

No, just trying to get you off the "start" portion of the board.

No cheating...I am watching you close.

a) I have no idea what you mean by "just trying to get you off the "start" portion of the board."
b) Your English is poor, as is your eisegesis.

 

[Jim B]

Is Acts 2:38 Grace or Law, preacher?

Meaningless!!!!!

 

[Jim B]

If you command me to get off of Acts 2:38 then I command you to get on it.

You can command me all you want. I don't respect you now and most probably never will.

 

[Truther]

a) I have no idea what you mean by "just trying to get you off the "start" portion of the board."
b) Your English is poor, as is your eisegesis.

Think of this as a board game, that in the rules, you must draw a certain card(Acts 2:38 card) to leave the start square.

Acts 2:38 is the start square for the 3000 at Pentecost to move on into the Epistles.

Since you cannot seem to "draw" the Acts 2:38 card, you are stuck on start.

Keep trying.

 

[Truther]

Meaningless!!!!!

I will give you a hint...Acts 2:38 is entirely Grace.

Obey it or stay in the Law.

 

[Truther]

You can command me all you want. I don't respect you now and most probably never will.

Good, that means you are on the verge of being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins along with the 3000 at Pentecost just to teach me a lesson.

 

[Jim B]

Think of this as a board game, that in the rules, you must draw a certain card(Acts 2:38 card) to leave the start square.

Acts 2:38 is the start square for the 3000 at Pentecost to move on into the Epistles.

Since you cannot seem to "draw" the Acts 2:38 card, you are stuck on start.

Keep trying.

That is just plain dumb!!!!

You take one verse out of context and try to make it law. And now you're using a board game as an analogy to God's word? You are out of your mind!

 

[Charlie24]

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Good thing salvation does not involve remission of sins, huh?

Is it "repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ FOR the remission of sins.?

Or is it "repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ BECAUSE OF the remission of sins?

Was the right Greek preposition used or did the translators use the wrong one?

 

[Truther]

That is just plain dumb!!!!

You take one verse out of context and try to make it law. And now you're using a board game as an analogy to God's word? You are out of your mind!

No, Acts 2:38 is Grace.

God instituted it for the remission of our sins.

Thank Jesus everyday for giving it to us.

 

[Truther]

Is it "repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ FOR the remission of sins.?

Or is it "repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ BECAUSE OF the remission of sins?

Was the right Greek preposition used or did the translators use the wrong one?

For.

Or, in order to obtain the remission of...

 

[Jim B]

Truther, you are beyond hope! I am done feeding your obsessive-compulsive need to discuss one single verse over and over and over. I will not tolerate any more of your post about a single verse ad nauseum!

 

[Truther]

For only high IQ folks....


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost....

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

 

[Jim B]

Is it "repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ FOR the remission of sins.?

Or is it "repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ BECAUSE OF the remission of sins?

Was the right Greek preposition used or did the translators use the wrong one?

From the NET: There is debate over the meaning of εἰς in the prepositional phrase εἰς ἄφεσιν τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν ὑμῶν (eis aphesin tōn hamartiōn humōn, “for/because of/with reference to the forgiveness of your sins”). Although a causal sense has been argued, it is difficult to maintain here. ExSyn 369-71 discusses at least four other ways of dealing with the passage: (1) The baptism referred to here is physical only, and εἰς has the meaning of “for” or “unto.” Such a view suggests that salvation is based on works—an idea that runs counter to the theology of Acts, namely: (a) repentance often precedes baptism (cf. Acts 3:19; 26:20), and (b) salvation is entirely a gift of God, not procured via water baptism (Acts 10:43 [cf. v. 47]; 13:38-39, 48; 15:11; 16:30-31; 20:21; 26:18); (2) The baptism referred to here is spiritual only. Although such a view fits well with the theology of Acts, it does not fit well with the obvious meaning of “baptism” in Acts—especially in this text (cf. 2:41); (3) The text should be repunctuated in light of the shift from second person plural to third person singular back to second person plural again. The idea then would be, “Repent for/with reference to your sins, and let each one of you be baptized…” Such a view is an acceptable way of handling εἰς, but its subtlety and awkwardness count against it; (4) Finally, it is possible that to a first-century Jewish audience (as well as to Peter), the idea of baptism might incorporate both the spiritual reality and the physical symbol. That Peter connects both closely in his thinking is clear from other passages such as Acts 10:47 and 11:15-16. If this interpretation is correct, then Acts 2:38 is saying very little about the specific theological relationship between the symbol and the reality, only that historically they were viewed together. One must look in other places for a theological analysis. For further discussion see R. N. Longenecker, “Acts,” EBC 9:283-85; B. Witherington, Acts, 154-55; F. F. Bruce, The Acts of the Apostles: The Greek Text with Introduction and Commentary, 129-30; BDAG 290 s.v. εἰς 4.f.

 

[Truther]

Truther, you are beyond hope! I am done feeding your obsessive-compulsive need to discuss one single verse over and over and over. I will not tolerate any more of your post about a single verse ad nauseum!

Acts 2:38 can be annoying to any Acts skipper.

I totally understand.

 

[Truther]

From the NET: There is debate over the meaning of εἰς in the prepositional phrase εἰς ἄφεσιν τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν ὑμῶν (eis aphesin tōn hamartiōn humōn, “for/because of/with reference to the forgiveness of your sins”). Although a causal sense has been argued, it is difficult to maintain here. ExSyn 369-71 discusses at least four other ways of dealing with the passage: (1) The baptism referred to here is physical only, and εἰς has the meaning of “for” or “unto.” Such a view suggests that salvation is based on works—an idea that runs counter to the theology of Acts, namely: (a) repentance often precedes baptism (cf. Acts 3:19; 26:20), and (b) salvation is entirely a gift of God, not procured via water baptism (Acts 10:43 [cf. v. 47]; 13:38-39, 48; 15:11; 16:30-31; 20:21; 26:18); (2) The baptism referred to here is spiritual only. Although such a view fits well with the theology of Acts, it does not fit well with the obvious meaning of “baptism” in Acts—especially in this text (cf. 2:41); (3) The text should be repunctuated in light of the shift from second person plural to third person singular back to second person plural again. The idea then would be, “Repent for/with reference to your sins, and let each one of you be baptized…” Such a view is an acceptable way of handling εἰς, but its subtlety and awkwardness count against it; (4) Finally, it is possible that to a first-century Jewish audience (as well as to Peter), the idea of baptism might incorporate both the spiritual reality and the physical symbol. That Peter connects both closely in his thinking is clear from other passages such as Acts 10:47 and 11:15-16. If this interpretation is correct, then Acts 2:38 is saying very little about the specific theological relationship between the symbol and the reality, only that historically they were viewed together. One must look in other places for a theological analysis. For further discussion see R. N. Longenecker, “Acts,” EBC 9:283-85; B. Witherington, Acts, 154-55; F. F. Bruce, The Acts of the Apostles: The Greek Text with Introduction and Commentary, 129-30; BDAG 290 s.v. εἰς 4.f.

All that debunks Acts 2:38?...

.... Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,...


Do that because you are already saved?

That's a whopper.

 

[Charlie24]

For.

Or, in order to obtain the remission of...

"Repent" is where the sin is forgiven.

And then "be baptized BECAUSE OF the remission of sin."

 

[Truther]

"Repent" is where the sin is forgiven.

And then "be baptized BECAUSE OF the remission of sin."

It says this?...

Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, for the remission of sins, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ....


I trow not!

 

[Charlie24]

It says this?...

Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, for the remission of sins, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ....


I trow not!

That verse is contrary to scripture! Paul, John, nor James used it in their letters.

They never once hinted of water baptism for remission of sin.

But you are willing to bet your eternal soul that it is a requirement for salvation.

Better do some serious research before you make the worst mistake of your life.

 

[amigo de christo]

Howbout those that say "if there was no water around, then what?

Well, they die of thirst.

State the case of the sinner on that cross . He was unable to be water baptised
and yet JESUS said YE shall be with me today in paradise .
Many make excuses . Yet its evident the man on that cross could not come down and be water baptised
which also proves IT is by faith in Christ that does save . However those who are able and yet DO NOT
also proves they do not follow HIM . ANY lamb that is able would get baptised .
They would not make excuse by using examples where its obvious one could not be water baptized .
If one is water baptised ten thousand times yet has not Faith in CHRIST then it means nothing and they are yet in thier sins
and will die in their sins . BUT IF ONE truly loves the LORD they would BE WATER baptized just as they would
be hearers and doers of all things HE did teach . Lord willing maybe one day i will arrive at the UK
and water baptise a dear sister . CAUSE NO way would i send her into the AI to get one from them . NO way .

 

[Truther]

That verse is contrary to scripture! Paul, John, nor James used it in their letters.

They never once hinted of water baptism for remission of sin.

But you are willing to bet your eternal soul that it is a requirement for salvation.

Better do some serious research before you make the worst mistake of your life.

Acts 2:38 is contrary to scripture?

Am I in the twilight zone of Christendom?