Acts 2:38 has been abandoned by Christianity

[BloodBought 1953]

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.




Notice how the “ baptism” part is left off of the second half of the sentence...what a Crucial “ Accident” this was ! Lol.....Jesus must have been having an “ off” day.....

Lol.....you quote Scripture that MAKES THE OTHER SIDE’S POINT! You are your own worst enemy! Had the word “ baptism” been said twice , had it been INCLUDED in the Second half of the verse , you would win this debate “ hands down” ......but it ain’t there, is it ? You lose, but that’s OK—— everybody has the right to Be Wrong.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Peter , james , jude and others had already been water baptized even before the day of pentecost .
I would not quite say it like you just did . If a man is driving in his car and wrecks it
and yet suddenly is drawn to Christ right before he dies , that man is gonna be WITH JESUS .
HOWEVER any one making excuse against water baptism , they just dont know HIM my friend .
But be careful . I DO agree with you that we SHOULD be water baptized , but dont go overboard on this my friend .
My advice stands . To all who come to and follow Christ GET water baptized
but never teach that if one came to Christ at their end of life and was unable they will be damned either .
Its simple really . Lambs are hearers and doers of all things both JESUS and later the true apostels would teach and do .
IF water baptism was not a big deal , THEN WHY would peter have CORNELIOUS and his household BE WATER baptized
EVEN after they had recieved the HOLY GHOST and were speaking in tongues . IT IS something we must continue to do and to teach .
I keep it real simple , IF the early church taught and did something then we do the same . Real simple .

The Early Church sold everything they owned and put it in a Common Fund where people took from it as needed.... have YOU “ done the same?”

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I think it is like this...

Only those that obey Acts 2:38 after Pentecost will partake in the 1st resurrection and marry Christ per Rev 19.

The rest live not again until the thousand years are finished, including aborted babies...to be judged according to their works vs the Law of God.

Those that pass are saved in that group.

The rest are doomed.

So, there is a second chance for the unbaptized...but it is high risk.

Do you have any “ Chapter and Verse” for this “Cuckoo Clock Christianity” that you apparently just pulled out of your .....er....ah....Hat?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Water baptism is symbolic for the washing away of sins. John the Baptist prepared people for the real deal, a "spiritual washing" of sins done by the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. We are to be baptized (immersed into them). We are "in Christ" - not in water. Water baptism does nothing, it is just an outward expression of an inner change. A person is forgiven when they believe in Christ. They repent (turn to Christ/God) for forgiveness. And he washes away their sins - not by water. Otherwise John tye Baptist could have washed away sins - he did not. He prepared them for Christ to baptize them with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Water baptism is symbolic and an act of obedience.
We need to demonstrate that we believe like the blind man whom Jesus healed by spitting in clay, putting it on his eyes and instructing him to go rinse off in a pool of water. He could have healed him on the spot but this man needed to demonatrate his belief publicly by obeying. Jesus had another motive as well - to insight more division among the Pharisees (John 9)
When we believe and the words that proceed out of our mouths confess Jesus is Lord, we are justified as the man next to Jesus confessed and believed and was forgiven and given eternal life.
"because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." Rom 10:9

 

[user]

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Notice how the “ baptism” part is left off of the second half of the sentence...what a Crucial “ Accident” this was ! Lol.....Jesus must have been having an “ off” day.....

Lol.....you quote Scripture that MAKES THE OTHER SIDE’S POINT! You are your own worst enemy! Had the word “ baptism” been said twice , had it been INCLUDED in the Second half of the verse , you would win this debate “ hands down” ......but it ain’t there, is it ? You lose, but that’s OK—— everybody has the right to Be Wrong.....

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Let's take a look...

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Note the above baptism must be mixed with faith or is invalid(baptism without faith = 2nd half of verse, not believing at all).
A nonbeliever will not be saved until he/she believes and then is baptized for the remission of sins = "and is baptized shall be saved"

 

[mailmandan]

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Let's take a look...

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Note the above baptism must be mixed with faith or is invalid(baptism without faith = 2nd half of verse, not believing at all).
A nonbeliever will not be saved until he/she believes and then is baptized for the remission of sins = "and is baptized shall be saved"

This is what happens when you isolate a pet verse, build doctrine on it and fail to properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching your conclusion on doctrine.

Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned. The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely necessary for salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief and not on a lack of baptism, so salvation rests on belief. *NOWHERE does the Bible say "baptized or condemned."

If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then why did Jesus not mention it in the following verses? (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26). What is the one requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements? *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[user]

This is what happens when you isolate a pet verse, build doctrine on it and fail to properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching your conclusion on doctrine.

Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned. The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely necessary for salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief and not on a lack of baptism, so salvation rests on belief. *NOWHERE does the Bible say "baptized or condemned."

If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then why did Jesus not mention it in the following verses? (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26). What is the one requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements? *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

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The verse is saying a nonbeliever can not be saved until he/she believes, and upon believing is then baptized "shall be saved"

 

[mailmandan]

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The verse is saying a nonbeliever can not be saved until he/she believes, and upon believing is then baptized "shall be saved"

Your eisegesis says that.

 

[Truther]

They had already received the Holy Spirit while Peter was preaching.

That means they were saved and sins forgiven before they were water baptized.

What does that tell you?

It tells me the Holy Ghost does not remit sins, but leads folks to water baptism in the name of Jesus for the remission of their sins.

And all this time you thought the Holy Ghost was sent to debunk Acts 2:38?

 

[Truther]

Blind Guides—- they wish 1 Cor15:1-4 would “go away” .... Jesus said if one simply Believed that, they would be Saved....no mention of baptism, btw.....

That is because the saints of Corinth were already baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins and the epistle of the Corinthians was written to affirm their faith, not to debunk Acts.

Do you know what an epistle is?

 

[Truther]

When it comes to Scripture , *EVERY WORD* is “ set in stone”......But does that mean we slaughter a lamb every time we commit a Sin? God’s plan for dealing with Sin and Salvation changes throughout time....that is why God’s Word MUST BE “ Rightly Divided” ......failure to do so leads to Confusion and YOU are DEFINITELY one “ Confused” man......

Have you FINISHED reading the Entire Book Of Acts Yet? Or do you desire to continue to be so “ stiff- necked” that you will not even “ Consider “ taking a look at the obvious Transition that takes place in the Book ? “Willful Ignorance” is a type of “Willful Sin”, wouldn't you think?

Who taught you that Acts was transitional?

Kinda like an evolving of the Apostles doctrine?

When did it stop evolving doctrinally?

Is it finally ended since modernists have eliminated Acts 2:38, or is the Gay movement still completing it's evolution?

 

[Truther]

Unfortunately for your Confused “ Doctrine”, Acts2:38 is FAR from being the only Card in The deck....Try this Card , oh, “ Stiff- Necked” one ! The Card That says Romans 10:13 —- It says , “Anybody that ASKS to be Saved WILL BE SAVED”......Please Notice What it does NOT say—— “Anybody that asks to be Saved has a pretty good chance of actually being Saved, if they get water baptized before they die”

Romans 10 trumps Acts 2:38?

You teach verses trump each other?

No such thing as harmonizing scripture?

 

[Charlie24]

It tells me the Holy Ghost does not remit sins, but leads folks to water baptism in the name of Jesus for the remission of their sins.

And all this time you thought the Holy Ghost was sent to debunk Acts 2:38?

You are deceived my friend, a willful act on your part.

Nothing I can do but pray for you.

 

[Truther]

Do you have any “ Chapter and Verse” for this “Cuckoo Clock Christianity” that you apparently just pulled out of your .....er....ah....Hat?

 

[Truther]

You are deceived my friend, a willful act on your part.

Nothing I can do but pray for you.

To skip Acts with you?

Don't bother.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

“And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.” Acts 19:1-5. They had been water baptized already. This was the baptism of the Holy Spirit, which accompanies those who believe in Jesus. Paul was saying in other, what were you baptized into? They said repentance, which is turning to God, getting them ready for Who is coming. But that was not enough it was and is believing in Him (that He died for our sins and rose on the third day).

 

[Truther]

“And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.” Acts 19:1-5. They had been water baptized already. This was the baptism of the Holy Spirit, which accompanies those who believe in Jesus. Paul was saying in other, what were you baptized into? They said repentance, which is turning to God, getting them ready for Who is coming. But that was not enough it was and is believing in Him (that He died for our sins and rose on the third day).

Oh yeah!

 

[Jim B]

Acts 2:38 can be annoying to any Acts skipper.

I totally understand.

BORING!!!!!

 

[Jim B]

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Let's take a look...

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Note the above baptism must be mixed with faith or is invalid(baptism without faith = 2nd half of verse, not believing at all).
A nonbeliever will not be saved until he/she believes and then is baptized for the remission of sins = "and is baptized shall be saved"

Salvation is not and never was dependent on baptism.

"For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works [including baptism], so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

Romans 6:4, "Therefore we have been buried with him through baptism into death, in order that just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too may live a new life."

 

[Jim B]

It tells me the Holy Ghost does not remit sins, but leads folks to water baptism in the name of Jesus for the remission of their sins.

And all this time you thought the Holy Ghost was sent to debunk Acts 2:38?

BORING!!!