A difficult question:
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ScottA
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We choose, just as in this foreshadowing of our choice to believe or not to believe:
Deuteronomy 30:19
I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live.
I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live.
Jn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
No.
Jesus through his death and resurrection paid for All our sins, bour All our guilt and shame and endured our punishment.
If we in some way participate in any of that then it is not All of Jesus.
It is by grace we are saved and this is not by our efforts but it is the free gift from God so that no one can boast.
Since there is only ONE Redeemer and only ONE Mediator between God and men, all human beings are simply potential beneficiaries of the redemptive work of Christ. Not participants but recipients when they obey the Gospel.
Ronald Nolette
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In the physical act? No!In spreading the news that redemption has been once for all accomplished by Jesus death and resurrection ? yes!
1stCenturyLady
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So is your answer to your OP yes or no? How do we participate in the redemption of anyone else. Jesus redeemed us, not Himself.
My offer is,
When you make the choice to believe in the Lord Yeshua learning from all he has done for all people, of the world, you are making a choice to participate in an now established relationship with the living God.
Why wouldn’t you since believing and knowing what Jesus did; overcoming sin, death, Satan and his angels, hell/Sheol/hades, knowing that from belief you receive the Holy Spirit from Yahweh, and the Spirit of Christ now to live with in you…
Pray openly to the living God who created heaven and earth: to pray for your friends, family, strangers, enemies, those in authority (worldly) - supervisors, police, president?
That is participation; also you can participate by actively reading the Bible for reference and learn even more about God that you serve.
Active participation in a relationship helps the relationship keep alive and not die… this is important beteeen a person and God especially putting Him first.
And others as time comes and goes.
Be encouaged.
When you make the choice to believe in the Lord Yeshua learning from all he has done for all people, of the world, you are making a choice to participate in an now established relationship with the living God.
Why wouldn’t you since believing and knowing what Jesus did; overcoming sin, death, Satan and his angels, hell/Sheol/hades, knowing that from belief you receive the Holy Spirit from Yahweh, and the Spirit of Christ now to live with in you…
Pray openly to the living God who created heaven and earth: to pray for your friends, family, strangers, enemies, those in authority (worldly) - supervisors, police, president?
That is participation; also you can participate by actively reading the Bible for reference and learn even more about God that you serve.
Active participation in a relationship helps the relationship keep alive and not die… this is important beteeen a person and God especially putting Him first.
And others as time comes and goes.
Be encouaged.
ChristisGod
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Bob Estey
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I think my short answer would be that I don't see why Jesus would need to be redeemed.
ChristisGod
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There is no way the Redeemer needs redeeming or the Savior needs saving . That would be a heterodox belief.
Bob Estey
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I would agree, but then, I am not necessarily a believer in heterodoxy. I think there are a few things few people understand, and if I understood them and testified to them, I'd be accused of being unheterodox, if there is such a word.
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
Christ is making an analogy here. Within a tree every branch is totally dependent upon the tree itself for its nourishment, and that is what makes it fruitful. Christ is the Vine (or Tree) and all the children of God are "branches" connected to Christ as members of His Body. Therefore no Christian can be fruitful unless he or she is totally dependent upon Christ (and the Holy Spirit) for Christian growth and fruitfulness. This also means that we are simply recipients, not participants in the redemptive work of Christ. "Are we united to Christ?" is already answered above.
We are to remain in Jesus, that means we must have gain access to him or to put it another way, been born again/become a Christian.
As he says if we as Christians remain in him we can serve him, if we don't we cannot.
This passage is speaking about Christians being united with Jesus it says nothing about us doing something to redeem ourselves.
how are we healed by his stripes?
Isaiah 53:5
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
by union with Christ!
as Jn 15 says abide in me
so united to Christ we bear fruit? Merits in God’s eyes? Grace? We participate in redemption of men
Col 1:23
Phil 1:29
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