Acts 2:38 has been abandoned by Christianity

[Nancy]

Actually it is according to God...

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Ah but, there is nothing in those verses even hinting at "baptism" and there is nothing even hinting at being "born again" during John's baptism.
I still say it is the first time born "through" a mothers amniotic fluid second time born is when we have His Spirit living in us, becoming born again. JMHO.

 

[Truther]

What we have here is a total and complete lack of respect for God's redemption plan!

According to you, water baptism is necessary to enter into that redemption plan.

That makes water baptism equal to the Blood of Christ for that redemption.

Let it be known, I will have no part in blasphemy!

Acts 2:38 is not God's redemption plan for the 3000 at Pentecost?

The blood of Christ is obtained via remission of sins as we are baptized in the name of Jesus Christ...


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,...


Acts skippers run as fast as they can from this.

 

[Jim B]

Actually it is according to God...

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Why do we have to keep going around and around with this? Jesus and Nicodemus were clearly talking about two different births: natural and spiritual.

John 3:4-6, "Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter his mother’s womb and be born a second time, can he?” [notice: enters his mother's womb, a clear reference to natural birth]

Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. What is born of the flesh [natural birth] is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit [spiritual birth] is spirit.

Jesus did not change the subject. He didn't say, I'm taking about baptism. Notice the second sentence where he reinforces natural birth. What is born of the flesh is flesh cannot, by any stretch of the imagination, refer to baptism! These two are clearly talking about natural birth (of water, of the flesh) and spiritual birth.

Why can't you accept what is clearly being discussed here instead of reading into it some other meaning? Is your mind so closed that you can't accept what is written but have to re-interpret it to say something entirely different? WHY???

 

[Jim B]

Acts 2:38 is not God's redemption plan for the 3000 at Pentecost?

The blood of Christ is obtained via remission of sins as we are baptized in the name of Jesus Christ...


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,...


Acts skippers run as fast as they can from this.

Why are you an Old Testament skipper??? Why did you skip the other gospels, almost all of Acts, all the epistles, and Revelation? You are clearly a most-of-the Bible skipper!!!

 

[L.A.M.B.]

I did that when I obeyed Acts 2:38 on Oct 7, 1979.

Anyone that skips Acts 2:38 has to have a powerful imagination to imagine themselves to be part of the church of 3000 at Pentecost that received remission of sins by obeying Peter via Acts 2:38.

They have to imagine their sins are remitted by mind over matter, instead of by participating in Acts 2:38.

These folks are tough as nails mentally.

They can probably bend nails with their minds.

Well at least YOU ARE not easily offended !

Seriously ,you have gotten off tract since your visit to the cross in '79, when I birthed my daughter.

I do pray you forgive my rudeness and I will pray for your RECOVERY !

 

[L.A.M.B.]

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When he breathed on them to receive the Holy Ghost is not when they were filled with the Holy Ghost.

John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

This is what happened after he was glorified...

Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
[2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
[3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
[4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

How silly.......of you.
You quoted EXACTLY WHAT Scripture I used.
I used it in context rightly divided.
Be original and let the Holy Ghost lead and speak through you.
Lean NOT on your own understanding..............
Get in touch with God through his number
Jes -us -Chr -ist! . You will feel better when you call upon a God who is ,was and will ever be !

 

[Jim B]

Why doesn't Acts 2:38 mention water, as in each one of you be baptized in water?

Baptism is immersion. Baptized in the name of Jesus Christ means immersed in His name. It cannot mean immersed in water or Peter would have said "Repent, and each one of you be baptized in water".

They were baptized in Jesus' name for forgiveness of their sins, which can only be done by God. By being forgiven in the name of Jesus Christ they received the Holy Spirit. Water baptism never gave people the Holy Spirit. (And never will.)

John 14:26, "But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you everything, and will cause you to remember everything I said to you."

I hate to "burst your bubble" about this verse, truther. You clearly obsess about it, but God's word says what it says.

 

[farouk]

Lean NOT on your own understanding..............

@L3astAm0ngManyB13ss3d Proverbs 3.5, right? :)

 

[Jim B]

Matthew 3:11, “I baptize you with water, for repentance, but the one coming after me is more powerful than I am—I am not worthy to carry his sandals! He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire." Notice: for repentance, not salvation! Jesus will baptize them with the Holy Spirit later.

Mark 1:8, "I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.” Two different baptisms! One came after the other!

Luke 3:16, "John answered them all, “I baptize you with water, but one more powerful than I am is coming—I am not worthy to untie the strap of his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire." Later! Two separate actions!

John 1:33, "And I did not recognize him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘The one on whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining—this is the one who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ " Two separate acts! Two different purposes: repentance and receiving the Holy Spirit.

Acts 2:38, "Peter said to them, “Repent, and each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." Water baptism never achieved this!

Acts 10:47, “No one can withhold the water for these people to be baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?” They received the Holy Spirit first (before water baptism). Water baptism was clearly a symbolic act: the burial of the sinful man.

Acts 11:16, "And I remembered the word of the Lord, as he used to say, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ Two separate acts!

Acts 19:1-7, "While Apollos was in Corinth, Paul went through the inland regions and came to Ephesus. He found some disciples there and said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” They replied, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.” So Paul said, “Into what then were you baptized?” “Into John’s baptism,” they replied. Paul said, “John baptized with a baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, in Jesus.” When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus, and when Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they began to speak in tongues and to prophesy. (Now there were about twelve men in all.)" This clearly shows the difference between baptism in water and baptism in the Holy Spirit. Two separate baptisms!

Romans 6:3, "Or do you not know that as many as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?"

1 Corinthians 12:13, "For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body. Whether Jews or Greeks or slaves or free, we were all made to drink of the one Spirit."

Galatians 3:27, "For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ."

This should end this discussion about Acts 2:38 and baptism. The Bible says what it says!

 

[user]

Read on!

John 4:2

"(Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)"

Let's take a look...

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,

You seem to be hung up on the next verse...

"(Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)"


Why is this a surprise to you, the King of Kings actually had disciples do for him, and serve him.

John 4:6 Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour.
[7] There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.
[8] (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)

Mark 14:13 And he sendeth forth two of his disciples, and saith unto them, Go ye into the city, and there shall meet you a man bearing a pitcher of water: follow him.
[16] And his disciples went forth, and came into the city, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover.

 

[Jim B]

Let's take a look...

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,

You seem to be hung up on the next verse...

"(Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)"


Why is this a surprise to you, the King of Kings actually had disciples do for him, and serve him.

John 4:6 Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour.
[7] There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.
[8] (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)

Mark 14:13 And he sendeth forth two of his disciples, and saith unto them, Go ye into the city, and there shall meet you a man bearing a pitcher of water: follow him.
[16] And his disciples went forth, and came into the city, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover.

You're not making any sense at all. The point is that Jesus didn't do the baptisms, His disciples did. Your examples are irrelevant!

 

[user]

How silly.......of you.
You quoted EXACTLY WHAT Scripture I used.

I loved your scripture! I was addressing this portion of your post...

"This neglects our walk with God if we ignore or discount the HS baptism more than water baptism ever could. To neglect this baptism puts in peril the journey, for it regulates his [ HS ] functions to N/ A or not needed!"

The scripture I used walked though the importance of both. To get the Spirit, we need to go through the water as part of the born from above process.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Keep up the good work.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Some of the dumbest theologians that ever lived came up with the Acts skipper doctrine.


Dumber “ STILL” would be “ Paul’s Gospel Skippers “ They will be fumbling for words when God uses their Response to that Gospel Plus NOTHING to determine whether they go to Heaven or Hell....Your “ Wet Hair” will not really impress God that much.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Thou art the man, Jim.

Thou hast disobeyed Peter.

Thou hast disregarded Acts 2:38.

Thou, Jim, thou...

Truther hast made “ Wet Hair” His Idol....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Oh yes I did. I was saved sitting in that pew (repent), that is when my sins were washed away by the the Blood of Christ.

I was immediately water baptized after the service, (calling on the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit) in public confession of what happened sitting in that pew.

I was baptized into Christ by the Holy Spirit sitting in that pew the instant I seen I was a sinner in need of a Saviour, and accepted Christ as such. Just as Paul baptized into Christ lying there on the road to Damascus when he surrendered to Christ.

Interesting......I got Saved while I was Lying on a Couch.....my Hair was Dry if memory serves me....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."



It was that “calling on the Name Of the Lord” That got Him Saved ... NOT getting his Hair wet...

“ Anybody that CALLS on the NAME OF THE LORD shall be Saved”.....That was an Unbreakable Promise from God....FAITH is Acting on a Promise Of God ......FAITH Saves. End of Story.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Already discussed this. The salvation and washing away of the sins of Paul took place on the road to Damascus by the the Blood of Christ.

The water baptism is the visual of what took place in the heart of Paul when he was baptized into Christ. This is what Ananias was referring to.

In actuality, Ananias was telling Paul to go show us your sins are washed away, go prove your faith in Christ.

Paul's use of "baptized into Christ" means exactly that, baptized into Christ, not water. Baptism into Christ is a spiritual act of the Holy Spirit that takes place in the heart the very moment you believe. The Holy Spirit spiritually baptizes you into Christ, not in water.

One’s Hair can be wetter than Aquaman , but if he has not undergone the Baptism that Counts for Salvation—— the Baptism into the “ Body Of Christ”—— he is as Lost as a Sea Bass in the middle of the Sahara Desert.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

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Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved

Once again , he includes only the first half if this verse ....this subtle little move is no better than a Lie...shame on you.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

LOL, that is your reading in the Blood is applied in water baptism.

It does not say that!

It says "and he who believes not will be damned." It does not say "and he who is not water baptized will be damned."

He KNOWS better—- thus making it a Bigger Sin

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Don't you find it strange that Christ spoke more of salvation than anyone, but yet He never spoke of water baptism for salvation, but only believing. And furthermore, Christ never baptized anyone in water.

If He is the Saviour, why did He not baptize anyone in water?

And Paul was trying to Save Souls...he had a choice....Did he choose to Save Souls by Baptism? Nope...He writes that he “ was not sent to Baptize” .....that would be a strange position to take if he is trying to save people and THAT is the Way to get the job done ......What Route “ DID” he take.....He preached what he referred to as “ HIS” Gospel ( the One Given to Him by Jesus Personally) ....Paul said that he preached Nothing But “ Christ Crucified”.....not even a “ mention” of water baptism.....much less, the “ performance” of it......