Bible alone

[theefaith]

And the birth of our Saviour is one that Mary, herself, with her freewill, said "YES", and delivered salvation for all mankind. Lk 1:38

Biblical Mary, mother of God, ever Virgin, sinless, mother of our salvation!

Mother of God Lk 1:43

Immaculate conception (sinless) gen 3:15 enmity or total war none of satans works are found in Mary!
Also Lk 1:28 full of grace lk 1:49 great things plural (immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus) Rev12:1 woman clothed with the sun. Immaculate purity

Without Mary being immaculate the Holy Spirit could not conceive the “holy” son of God in Her!

Lk 1:30 found favor with God (the salvation lost by Adam) mother of our salvation Lk 2:30 and cos she consented to our salvation! Lk 1:38

Perpetual Virgin Isa 7:14 matt 1:21
Lk 1:31-34

Spiritual Mother Jn 19:26-27 rev 12:17

Mother of the creator is mother of all creation!

Mother of the Redeemer is the mother of all the redeemed!

Mother of our Savior is the mother of all those who obtain salvation!
Lk 1:30

 

[theefaith]

Mary is the temple of God, God consecrated and dwelt in this temple for 9 months and it cannot be used for a ordinary purpose, and it is God who glorified his dwelling!

King david has love of Mary!

Psalm 26:8
Lord, I have loved the habitation of thy house, and the place where thine honour dwelleth.

Sign of salvation Mary

Lk 1:45 all generations shall call me blessed!

Actually this is an exultation of thanksgiving for having obtain thier eternal salvation!

Mary and all the saints grace, virtues, and merits are from God’s infinite goodness mercy and love and they end in the God glory!

Not by nature but by supernatural grace!
Mary and the saints are what God made them not according nature but by the supernatural grace of God!

Glory to God for His mighty works and grace and mercy in His saints!

Eve was the mother of the living in the first creation!

The new creation demands a new mother of the living!

Eve was the first Eve, a new Adam demands a new Eve!

Rachel was the spiritual mother of the old covenant.

The new covenant demands a new spiritual mother!

 

[theefaith]

Mary all powerful advocate!
Help of Christian’s!

Mary ever virgin, mother of God, is all powerful in her prayers!

Mary’s prayers are all powerful not cos she is God but because her son is God!

and on becoming man He (Jesus) obeyed his own commandments

you might check out the one that says “honor Thy father and mother”

“My hour has not come”

The time set by almighty God for the public ministry of Christ had not come, Jesus Christ still performed the miracle cos his mother interceded, thus a higher law, “honor thy father and mother” if ANYONE else asked it would NOT have been done!
John 2

and cos of her intercession the disciples believed in Him!
Jn 2:11

 

[theefaith]

Blessing from God thru Mary!

All graces come to us they Mary, from God by the merits (blood) of Christ!
Jn 1:16
Of His fullness we have all received, grace for grace!

Salvation Lk 1:30
Consented to our salvation Lk 1:38
Mother of Christ Matt 1:16
Mother of the word Jn 1:1
Mother of our savior Matt 1:21
Mother of our salvation Lk 2:30
Our mother Jn 19:26-27

Elizabeth filled with the Holy Spirit!

Lk 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

John sanctified in the womb!

Lk 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

Lk 1:44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

Zacharias is filled with the Holy Spirit and prophecy!

Lk 1:67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

The wedding couple have wine and not shame!

Jn 2: 10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.

The disciples are supplied with faith, hope, and charity!

11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.

All these blessings from God because of Mary most holy!

 

[theefaith]

Saying that we should direct our prayers to God thru the intercession of the queen is blasphemy! Should your Catholic nonsense be believed or should we follow the teachings of Christ? He said...

"So pray this way:

Our Father in heaven, may your name be honored,
may your kingdom come,
may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us today our daily bread,
and forgive us our debts, as we ourselves have forgiven our debtors.
And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one." Matthew 6:9-13

or...

“When you pray, say:

Father, may your name be honored;
may your kingdom come.
Give us each day our daily bread,
and forgive us our sins,
for we also forgive everyone who sins against us.
And do not lead us into temptation.” Luke 11:2b-4

No intercessor is mentioned!!! Jesus said to pray directly to God, the father. Praying to a dead woman as an intercessor is the epitome of blasphemy!!!

where does it say that is the only way to pray?

the mother of the king interceded and made petitions known to the king! 1 kings 2:19

Are you sure we pray directly to the father, doesn’t Jesus intercede for us?

 

[theefaith]

Saying that we should direct our prayers to God thru the intercession of the queen is blasphemy! Should your Catholic nonsense be believed or should we follow the teachings of Christ? He said...

"So pray this way:

Our Father in heaven, may your name be honored,
may your kingdom come,
may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us today our daily bread,
and forgive us our debts, as we ourselves have forgiven our debtors.
And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one." Matthew 6:9-13

or...

“When you pray, say:

Father, may your name be honored;
may your kingdom come.
Give us each day our daily bread,
and forgive us our sins,
for we also forgive everyone who sins against us.
And do not lead us into temptation.” Luke 11:2b-4

No intercessor is mentioned!!! Jesus said to pray directly to God, the father. Praying to a dead woman as an intercessor is the epitome of blasphemy!!!

whst happened to Lk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

and he was justified

remember you said the Lord’s Prayer is the only acceptable way to pray!!!!

 

[Jim B]

successors of Moses in the seat of Moses had authority and jurisdiction and were commanded to be obeyed by Christ!

Better check scripture on that one!

matt 23:1-3

3. No Christian has ever accepted the infallibility of a man in a fish hat sitting in a magical chair.

Matthew 23:1-9, "Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The experts in the law and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat. Therefore pay attention to what they tell you and do it. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they teach. They tie up heavy loads, hard to carry, and put them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing even to lift a finger to move them. They do all their deeds to be seen by people, for they make their phylacteries wide and their tassels long. They love the place of honor at banquets and the best seats in the synagogues and elaborate greetings in the marketplaces, and to have people call them ‘Rabbi.’ But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher and you are all brothers. And call no one your ‘father’ on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven."

Transposing this to the present time, this is an excellent description of the practices of the Catholic denomination!!!

They create all kinds of rules and rituals that be followed by the Catholic "sheep". They have huge, ornate buildings and fancy garb to fool the gullible into thinking they have authority, and love to be honored by those same gullible "sheep". They love to be called "father", directly contradicting the teaching of Jesus.

When and if the Catholic denomination ever follows Scripture I will pay attention to what they teach, but until that time comes...

Sola scriptura!!!!

 

[BreadOfLife]

That promise was technically made to the Apostles ... who WERE guided into all truth and thus able to write the infallible Holy Scripture.
YOU are not one of the Apostles, so you are stealing someone else's promise and falsely claiming it for your own (like the Pope does with Peter).

The promise was made to the Apostles – the first BISHOPS of the Church.

Hey were the first leaders – and, as we read in Acts 1:20 0 their Bishoprics were successive.
Jesus was not an idiot who would only make this promise ONLY to the Twelve only to forget His Church after they were gone.

In case you forgot – He guaranteed that His Church would NOT succumb to the gates of Hell (Matt. 16:18). ONLY by preserving His truth throughout the Ages would this be possible.

Paul called the CHURCH 0 the Pillar and Foundation of Truth (1 Tim. 3:15) and the FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23). Jesus equates His CHURCH with His very SELF (Acts 9:4-5).

YOU may think He’s a liar – but WE don’t . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

ONE MORE TIME ... Would you please share what Paul told you orally when YOU were in Thessolonica so we can all benefit from the infalible oral tradition from the lips of the Apostles!

ONE more time:
The Canon of Scripture was a Tradition declared by the Catholic Church in 383..
This was a revelation from the Holy Spirit to the CHURCH.

The writings of the Early Church yestify UNANIMOUSY regarding child and INFANT Baptism as a practice handed down by the Apostles. Scripture is SILENT ont this.

So, tell me – how is it that virtually EVERY Early Church Father taught this if it was NOT in Scripture and the Catholic Church was supposedly NOT even established until the 4th century, as many of you claim??

You guys dig yourselves into a deeper and deeper hole with every moronic attack againjst the Church.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Is the canon of scripture closed?
Why?

The Canon of Scripture is closed because the Catholic Church closed it at the Council of Trent in the 16th century, largely due to the perversions happening within Protestantism.

Many of YOUR Protestant Fathers couldn’t agree on the NT and some, like Luther and Calvin wasnted to remove Books like, James, Hebrews, Jude and Revelation. Luther changed the wording of Rom 3:28 in his German translation so it would read, “faith alone”.

The Catholic Church, being the Custodian of the Holy Deposit of the Faith closed the Canon.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No it doesn't ... scripture only needs to prove that Scripture is Authoritative for salvation.
Now let TRADITION and CHURCH TEACHING each prove that they are authoritative without relying on Scripture (since you do not find the authority of scripture adequate).

No – SCRIPTURE doesn’t support the false, 16th century, man-made invention that the authority of Scripture is adequate.
You guys can whine about it until the COWS come home – but until you can PROVE it – from Scripture – you’re ALL blowing hot wind.

Scripture itself tells us that Christ’s CHURCH is our final earthly Authority (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10L16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).

 

[Marine0311]

Scripture had been collected and decided on long before your cult even began in 325AD. The RCC claims many things that aren’t true.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Matthew 23:1-9, "Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The experts in the law and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat. Therefore pay attention to what they tell you and do it. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they teach. They tie up heavy loads, hard to carry, and put them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing even to lift a finger to move them. They do all their deeds to be seen by people, for they make their phylacteries wide and their tassels long. They love the place of honor at banquets and the best seats in the synagogues and elaborate greetings in the marketplaces, and to have people call them ‘Rabbi.’ But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher and you are all brothers. And call no one your ‘father’ on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven."

Transposing this to the present time, this is an excellent description of the practices of the Catholic denomination!!!

They create all kinds of rules and rituals that be followed by the Catholic "sheep". They have huge, ornate buildings and fancy garb to fool the gullible into thinking they have authority, and love to be honored by those same gullible "sheep". They love to be called "father", directly contradicting the teaching of Jesus.

When and if the Catholic denomination ever follows Scripture I will pay attention to what they teach, but until that time comes...

Sola scriptura!!!!

After conversing with you on many posts – it really doesn’t come to a surprise to me that you have absolutely NO GRASP on Matt. 23 – or ANY OTHER page of Scripture.
Your bankrupt understanding of this passage is, well – embarrassing for a person who claims to know the Scriptures.
Allow me to educate you . . .

In verse 9, Jesus tells the crowds not to call any man “Father” – except our Father in Heaven

In the verse right before this – He tells them not to call any man “Teacher” – except our Teacher in Heaven. WHO is he talking about, Einsten?

If you had bothered to read the verses PRIOR to this – you would have seen that He is talking about the Pharissess, who exalt themselves before all – and love to wallow in that exultation.

By the way - the guy who impregnated you mother is your FATHER.
The lady who taught you how to add fractions in the 4th grade was your TEACHER.

- Jesus himself refers to "Your FATHER Abraham" (John 8:56).

- 1 Cor. 12:27-28 explicitly states: Honor thy FATHER and mother (Exod. 20:12).

- Stephen refers to "our FATHER Abraham," (Acts 7:2).

- Paul speaks of "our FATHER Isaac” (Romans 9:10).

- For I became your FATHER in Christ Jesus through the gospel" (1 Cor. 4:14–15).

- "For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle . . . a TEACHER of the Gentiles in faith and truth" (1 Tim. 2:7).

- "For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and TEACHER " (2 Tim. 1:11).

"God has appointed in the church first Apostles, second prophets, third TEACHERS " (1 Cor. 12:28).

Do your HOMEWORK instead of making stupid accusations.
Yout Ptotestant Father invented sola Scriptura . . .

 

[Marine0311]

You’re a city-boy, aren’t you?

Can you show me an example of a body of water that you have to walk UP to in order to enter?
You walk UP and OUT of the water in EVERY lake, river or stream – just as the passage indicates

You’ll HAVE to do better than that.

Lol, you really do your best to discredit scripture to stay in your false traditions. Your loss not mine.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Scripture had been collected and decided on long before your cult even began in 325AD. The RCC claims many things that aren’t true.

WRONG, Einstein.

- The Synod of Rome (382) is where the canon was first formally identified – ALL 73 (not 66) Books.

- 11 years after that, it was confirmed at the Synod of Hippo (393).

- 4 years later, at the Council (or Synod) of Carthage (397), it was yet again confirmed. The bishops wrote at the end of their document, "But let Church beyond sea (Rome) be consulted about confirming this canon". There were 44 bishops, including St. Augustine who signed the document.

- 7 years later, in 405, in a letter from Pope Innocent I to Exsuperius, Bishop of Toulouse, he reiterated the canon.

- 14 years after that, at the 2nd Council (Synod) of Carthage (419) the canon was again formally confirmed.

The Canon of Scripture was officially closed at the Council of Trent in the 16th century because of the perversions happening within Protestantism and the random editing and deleting of books from the Canon.

Do your HOMEWORK, son . . .

PS - Why is it that I have asked you repeatedly to substantiate your manure about the Catholic Church being "created" in 325 - yet you have NEVER been able to do that?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Lol, you really do your best to discredit scripture to stay in your false traditions. Your loss not mine.

Can you pooint to a SINGLE lake, river, or stream that you don't clim UP to get out of?

I didn't think so, Einsten . . .

 

[Marine0311]

WRONG, Einstein.

- The Synod of Rome (382) is where the canon was first formally identified – ALL 73 (not 66) Books.

- 11 years after that, it was confirmed at the Synod of Hippo (393).

- 4 years later, at the Council (or Synod) of Carthage (397), it was yet again confirmed. The bishops wrote at the end of their document, "But let Church beyond sea (Rome) be consulted about confirming this canon". There were 44 bishops, including St. Augustine who signed the document.

- 7 years later, in 405, in a letter from Pope Innocent I to Exsuperius, Bishop of Toulouse, he reiterated the canon.

- 14 years after that, at the 2nd Council (Synod) of Carthage (419) the canon was again formally confirmed.

The Canon of Scripture was officially closed at the Council of Trent in the 16th century because of the perversions happening within Protestantism and the random editing and deleting of books from the Canon.

Do your HOMEWORK, son . . .

PS - Why is it that I have asked you repeatedly to substantiate your manure about the Catholic Church being "created" in 325 - yet you have NEVER been able to do that?

 

[Marine0311]

I believe it is called history.

 

[n2thelight]

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First, Sacred Tradition is not "man's tradition". Equating the two does violence to everything Paul wrote on the matter. Second, Sacred Tradition is not something more, it is not an add on. Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture flow from the same divine wellspring. They are intrinsically connected. They complement each other and there are no contradictions. The authority of Scripture is a Sacred Tradition. The Bible clearly contains a command that Christians be baptized (Matt. 28:19). But doesn’t Tradition contain that, too? Wasn’t the command to be baptized passed on orally in the early Church as well as being written down in Scripture? Wasn’t the requirement of baptism already firmly fixed in the life and belief of the churches before the New Testament was written? SS blinds you from this reality.
Not to you because you can't escape the myth that Sacred Tradition is "something more" than Sacred Scripture. They are intrinsically interwoven. Pitting one against the other is a man made tradition.
The canon of the New Testament (list of books) is not in the Bible. But we both trust it.
Again, it's not a matter of "what else", Scripture itself IS a Tradition. If it were not for the Tradition of the Episcopate, you wouldn't have a Bible in the first place. This fact alone forces you to change the meaning of Tradition into something it isn't. It also forces you to invent Bible origin fantasies and twist the facts of early church history. The Bible is a fruit of the Church, not the other way around. A church did not pop out of a book.

Attacking Sacred Tradition to support sola scriptura is not in the Bible, it's thoughtless and automatic. Pitting one against the other is a man made tradition; the Bible doesn't do that. But you don't care, you do it anyway. Sola scriptura creates a mental block to the true meaning of Sacred Tradition so the SSist is forced to invent straw man fallacies as opposed to what it really means. "man's tradition" insults Paul. "something more" doesn't make sense either. This is how SS damages Sacred Scripture. It's like cutting off two legs of a three legged stool and expecting it to function.

Just because Sacred Tradition is a different mode of transmission of the Word of God does not mean it is automatically inferior to the written word. SS limits God to one mode. The Bible doesn't impose limits on God.

Okay here's the bottom line, what else do I need outside of the Bible to be saved (another subject as most don't know what they're saved from) ?

Whenever Christ addressed those higher critics , what was His question ?

Have ye not read , read what ? His word ,which was the Old Testament at that time .
Where were the traditions in the Old Testament

What is being spoken of below ?

Colossians 2:8 "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ:"

ANYTHING outside of scripture is the opinion of man (tradition) or whatever else you wanna call it, period .

 

[Dropship]

Okay here's the bottom line, what else do I need outside of the Bible to be saved?..

Outside of Jesus we need NOTHING..
“Thomas said to him, 'Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?'
Jesus replied 'I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me'" (John 14:5-6)
"And the common people heard him gladly" (Mark 12:37)
"There is one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ" (1 Timothy 2:5)
"Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith" (Hebrews 12:2)
"There is no other name under heaven that can save us" (Acts of the Apostles 4:12)