The Resurrection is for all people (thank you Yeshua!)

[face2face]

Hmmm...not after He was made eternal. No one who is not eternal can say: "I AM the resurrection".
Of course, through the lineage of the flesh of Mary, Jesus' physical, mortal body is of the seed of David. But before you get into genealogies, let's never lose sight of Who His Father is.

True but you just lost sight of why he needed to be born after a woman and born in the line of Adam. Jesus would not be Jesus if its wasn't for that line!

 

[face2face]

Hmmm...not after He was made eternal.

So are you saying Jesus in Revelation was not eternal? Surely not!
So many Christians dont know why Jesus claims to be the "root of David", such a vast sum of knowledge in those words...lost on most here.

 

[face2face]

@Earburner

Why does Jesus in his eternal state still claim, "I am the root and offspring of David" throughout the Revelation? Revelation 22:16

To help you in your understanding:-

2 Corinthians 5:19
1 Timothy 3:16
Isaiah 11:1
Isaiah 11:10
Luke 1:32-33
Romans 1:3-4

Also look carefully at Revelation 5:5.

Remember to pray for understanding!
God bless
F2F

 

[CadyandZoe]

It is incumbent for individuals to seek out answers for themselves, and to grow in their knowledge about God and his will, @CadyandZoe. That comes even at the cost of questioning anything you have ever been taught. From what is understood from scripture everything is shakable (materially), but what is not shakable is everything (spiritually).

I asked you a personal question, concerning your own journey. Why did YOU begin to question everything you have ever been taught?

 

[MatthewG]

I asked you a personal question, concerning your own journey. Why did YOU begin to question everything you have ever been taught?

Because someone else encouraged to do so. Always test all things by the spirit they said and don’t get caught up in religious doctrines or what people may believe without searching and seeking for the answer yourself of course using the Bible, CadyandZoe.

 

[Earburner]

So are you saying Jesus in Revelation was not eternal? Surely not!
So many Christians dont know why Jesus claims to be the "root of David", such a vast sum of knowledge in those words...lost on most here.

Of course I am saying that Jesus is eternal, before the world was created, and after His resurrection. But now, having His new life of being the firstborn from the dead, He is immortal in the likeness of His being, after our mortal flesh.

Yes, I agree on the scriptures you referenced. Other than that, I for one am not that knowledgeable about Him coming in the flesh, through the root of David.

 

[face2face]

Yes, I agree on the scriptures you referenced. Other than that, I for one am not that knowledgeable about Him coming in the flesh, through the root of David.

Well, rather than fire off a long post have a look at Paul's writings of the nature of Christ and his ascension to Davids throne both of which are valuable in coming to know the Christ.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

When you say transfiguration what brings to my mind @Earburner is the fullness of the Lord Yeshua, being with his Father in fulness showing the Lord Yeshua to be the Lord God Almighty.

Yeah, perhaps haven't gotten to that part of looking into about Jesus and his bodily resurrection: Other than I believe that it happened; though it is strange, like this:


Why is this wrote this way?


Why is this also wrote this way? The Lord and My God part I understand, but why did Thomas touch Jesus, here but Mary couldn't? Jesus also told Thomas not to doubt : but to believe.

If anyone has any insights I would like to know but please make it easy for me to read and understand if it is possible.

Thank you so much.

I think Jesus answered your question Himself. He had earlier said if He goes to the Father He will ask and the Father will send another Helper, the Holy Spirit. Then He said for them to wait for the Holy Spirit to come to them and to do nothing until He came to them.

So when Mary tried to grab hold of Him, He told her He had risen but not yet gone to the Father. But in the room where He walked through the door, He HAD already gone to the Father.

As for why Mary didn’t recognize Him, but later they did, I’d say His appearance was somehow different enough before He went and came back in His new body that she couldn’t tell who He was? I don’t know.
But we know we will have a new body like His. Amazing that He could appear in a room without opening the door! It’s odd to think about what our new body will be like…

 

[MatthewG]

I think Jesus answered your question Himself. He had earlier said if He goes to the Father He will ask and the Father will send another Helper, the Holy Spirit. Then He said for them to wait for the Holy Spirit to come to them and to do nothing until He came to them.

So when Mary tried to grab hold of Him, He told her He had risen but not yet gone to the Father. But in the room where He walked through the door, He HAD already gone to the Father.

As for why Mary didn’t recognize Him, but later they did, I’d say His appearance was somehow different enough before He went and came back in His new body that she couldn’t tell who He was? I don’t know.
But we know we will have a new body like His. Amazing that He could appear in a room without opening the door! It’s odd to think about what our new body will be like…

Thank you for sharing your insight with me, stunned.

 

[MatthewG]

Amen! Thank you for your honesty and open mindedness. Its a rare thing among the many religious indoctrinated on board here. Your approach in these discussions is to be commended in fairness of conversing and your politeness in debate.
God bless you also, brother Matt.:)

Praise be to God for anything good that comes about, friend. It’s important for us to remember everyone has a different background and upbringings. For some people it is hard for them to see the light especially if they are deep in religious manipulation, their heart may be in the right place however it is truth that really sets us free. Truth is found in the Lord Jesus Christ, along with grace. It is important also for us to search the scriptures for what is true over what may be taught by someone that could be lying. So May all be encouraged to read their Bible and learn the gospels and the other letters even the Old Testament if lead by the Holy Spirit.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

It’s funny but Ive heard from many people that they wish they’d never gone to men (through denominational teachings or commentaries or videos or books) but had just waited on God to teach them. They fear they have some leaven that’s holding them back, some wrong thoughts that prevent them from moving on. But I think God will correct these things if they’ve received the down payment of the Holy Spirit and remain humble. Gods biggest challenge with us seems to be getting us depending only on Him and not on mens thoughts and the world system or theological systems or the isms of men.

My biggest hurdles aren’t really over leaven and isms. My biggest ones have been over trust and things I do that tend to try and pull me back into the worlds system. There are things I’ve stopped doing that others might cluck their tongue at me for, like…I never buy lottery tickets any more and I stopped getting snap benefits for money for food. I don’t want to get caught and entangled in the world system(s) again and I think those things are not depending only on Him. That’s just how I choose to live my trust and follow my own conscience. I don’t say anyone else should follow my conscience. If you aren’t bothered by something, you should not worry based on someone else’s conscience.

 

[ChristisGod]

I think Jesus answered your question Himself. He had earlier said if He goes to the Father He will ask and the Father will send another Helper, the Holy Spirit. Then He said for them to wait for the Holy Spirit to come to them and to do nothing until He came to them.

So when Mary tried to grab hold of Him, He told her He had risen but not yet gone to the Father. But in the room where He walked through the door, He HAD already gone to the Father.

As for why Mary didn’t recognize Him, but later they did, I’d say His appearance was somehow different enough before He went and came back in His new body that she couldn’t tell who He was? I don’t know.
But we know we will have a new body like His. Amazing that He could appear in a room without opening the door! It’s odd to think about what our new body will be like…

The Bible does not specifically tell us why the followers of Christ did not always recognize Jesus after His resurrection. As a result, some of the following is speculation. Keeping this in mind, there are a few things that might have contributed to the disciples not recognizing Jesus immediately when He first appeared to them after His resurrection. First, even though Jesus had predicted that He would rise again on the third day, the disciples did not fully understand (Mark 9:32), because clearly they were not looking for Him to be resurrected. This can account for some of their surprise and shock at seeing Him.

One of the instances where Jesus was not recognized was Mary Magdalene’s coming to the tomb early in the morning (John 20:15). Instead of recognizing Jesus, she first mistook Him for the gardener. One thing that is important to remember is that we do not know how far Mary was from Jesus when she misidentified Him. It could be that she was simply too far to clearly recognize who He was until He spoke to her. Second, we must remember that since it was very early in the morning, the light would not have been very bright which could also have made it more difficult for her to see Him clearly. When we couple that with the fact that she was not expecting to see Him alive, it is easy to see why she did not recognize Him from a distance until He spoke to her.

A second instance in which Jesus was not immediately recognized was when the disciples did not recognize Him when they were out fishing (John 21:4). This could also be related to the distance Jesus might have been from them. A third instance is when the two disciples on the road to Emmaus (Luke 24:13-35) did not recognize Jesus until He broke bread. How could these two disciples have walked, talked, and eaten with Jesus without recognizing Him? In this instance, it seems that they were supernaturally prevented from recognizing Jesus. Jesus perhaps had taken on a different appearance to keep Himself from being recognized. Why would Jesus have done this? The Bible does not say. Perhaps Jesus “veiled” His identity so the two disciples would truly think through the things Jesus was saying, rather than accepting the teaching blindly, as they likely would have if they had known it was Jesus.

What we can know for certain is that it was Jesus Himself who appeared to them because of all the testimony of those who saw the resurrected Christ. In addition, there was the witness of the remarkable change that took place in the lives of the disciples. Immediately before and after the crucifixion, the eleven apostles were in hiding in fear, yet after spending considerable time with the resurrected Christ, they became fearless evangelists proclaiming the gospel boldly no matter how strong the opposition. In addition, all eventually gave their lives for the sake of the gospel. Only witnessing the resurrected Jesus Christ can account for such a radical change.got?

hope this helps !!!

 

[CadyandZoe]

Because someone else encouraged to do so. Always test all things by the spirit they said and don’t get caught up in religious doctrines or what people may believe without searching and seeking for the answer yourself of course using the Bible, CadyandZoe.

Why was an alternative view attractive to you?

 

[MatthewG]

@CadyandZoe, it’s not the alternative view it is drawing closer to God and learning what his will is that changes perspective of what is normally perceived.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I agree with that…

 

[MatthewG]

My biggest hurdles aren’t really over leaven and isms. My biggest ones have been over trust and things I do that tend to try and pull me back into the worlds system. There are things I’ve stopped doing that others might cluck their tongue at me for, like…I never buy lottery tickets any more and I stopped getting snap benefits for money for food. I don’t want to get caught and entangled in the world system(s) again and I think those things are not depending only on Him. That’s just how I choose to live my trust and follow my own conscience. I don’t say anyone else should follow my conscience. If you aren’t bothered by something, you should not worry based on someone else’s conscience.

I’m right there along with you sister as well as many others. Mine isn’t so much with the worldly system as it is with hoping for God to lead me in the direction he would desire me to go while living in this life… that is the most important thing, to ask God to help us be people of faith and not doubt in what he desires for us while we live in this fleshly body that can be pulled by it’s very own desires.

Gotta keep looking towards Him, and to love God and to love others, is such a vital importance. And on here I respect everyone where they are at as far as their own individual walk and that people come to learn and know more about who God is and what his will is too all by looking and believing to the one whom he has sent the Lord and Master.

 

[CadyandZoe]

@CadyandZoe, it’s not the alternative view it is drawing closer to God and learning what his will is that changes perspective of what is normally perceived.

Did drawing closer to God cause you to doubt the inerrancy of the Bible?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I’m right there along with you sister as well as many others. Mine isn’t so much with the worldly system as it is with hoping for God to lead me in the direction he would desire me to go while living in this life… that is the most important thing, to ask God to help us be people of faith and not doubt in what he desires for us while we live in this fleshly body that can be pulled by it’s very own desires.

Gotta keep looking towards Him, and to love God and to love others, is such a vital importance. And on here I respect everyone where they are at as far as their own individual walk and that people come to learn and know more about who God is and what his will is too all by looking and believing to the one whom he has sent the Lord and Master.

Yeah, I have to go on sheer trust that He’s guiding my steps because He has never told me, do this or that. I think He DOES do that with some men, (and I think some men just THINK He has). He’s just never done it with me. So when something doesn’t work out I just don’t get upset any more. I just move to something else, and suppose that the door wouldn’t have closed if He didn’t want it to…I surely don’t ignore roadblocks. I’d be scared to death if He had to send me a talking donkey because I refused to stop my direction! Lol.

 

[PinSeeker]

Yeah, I have to go on sheer trust that He’s guiding my steps because He has never told me, do this or that. I think He DOES do that with some men, (and I think some men just THINK He has). He’s just never done it with me. So when something doesn’t work out I just don’t get upset any more. I just move to something else, and suppose that the door wouldn’t have closed if He didn’t want it to…I surely don’t ignore roadblocks. I’d be scared to death if He had to send me a talking donkey because I refused to stop my direction! Lol.

LOL! Yeah, a talking donkey would surely throw me for a loop... :)

I appreciate what you say here, SBG, and am certainly not debating it, but just a question that comes to mind: Don't you think the Holy Spirit "speaks" to you through urgings and convictions and circumstances you encounter here and there? And even through the experiences and actions of other folks around you? I think you probably do, but I'm just asking. People kind of throw this verse around almost flippantly sometimes (which shouldn't be done), but it's helpful here, I think:

"...we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose."
[Romans 8:28]​

And this one:

"...it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure."
[Philippians 2:13]​

Grace and peace to you!

 

[MatthewG]

Did drawing closer to God cause you to doubt the inerrancy of the Bible?

Not sure what you mean by this question.