The Problems of Perpetual Belief Alone Salvation-ism.

[Michiah-Imla]

You have to correctly interpret the word first before you can claim to be a spokesman..

Where’s your Bible proof text for this?

Sounds like a cult tactic to me…

 

[Michiah-Imla]

You have to correctly interpret the word first before you can claim to be a spokesman..

Okay, here we go:

“Thou shalt not steal.” (Exodus 20:15)

Reading this verse I interpret it to say that I am not to take other peoples property to keep for myself.

There.

I am now a spokesman.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Where’s your Bible proof text for this?

Sounds like a cult tactic to me…

there you go mocking again

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Okay, here we go:

“Thou shalt not steal.” (Exodus 20:15)

Reading this verse I interpret it to say that I am not to take other peoples property to keep for myself.

There.

I am now a spokesman.

if WE say we HAVE no sin we deceive ourselves.

You can;t just pick on verse, You have to pick them all..

 

[Michiah-Imla]

if WE say we HAVE no sin we deceive ourselves.

If we don’t confess them…

“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9)

Do your clothes remain dirty after you wash them EG?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

You have to correctly interpret the word first before you can claim to be a spokesman..

Of course everyone you AGREE with here are interpreting the Bible “correctly”…

LOL!!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

if WE say we HAVE no sin we deceive ourselves.

You can;t just pick on verse, You have to pick them all..

I see you just ignored my post linked below. You don’t care to here rebuttals to your doctrine. You have made up your mind already in what the Bible teaches. You probably don’t even read it cover to cover frequently anymore (Deuteronomy 17:19). You just want to lecture people like @Behold.

The Problems of Perpetual Belief Alone Salvation-ism.

 

[Taken]

if WE say we HAVE no sin we deceive ourselves.

You can;t just pick on verse, You have to pick them all..

Having sin and Committing sin are two different things.
Mankind is born in sin, because he is born from a corrupt mans seed.
Thus all of mankind HAS sin.
Mankind is NOT naturally born, believing in or with God.
God has given mankind a “learning period”, to hear, learn, about Him...
THEN freely Choose Him...or not.

Committing sin is standing against God.
Worshiping things others than God. Not believing in God,
* Stealing from God (taking what is holy unto God and applying, give it to another thing).
* Lying to God (saying you believe, when you don’t).


The 10 Commandments are for men to practice among men...in preparation of a True Relationship with God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If we don’t confess them…

So now your changing your tune? So you admit you can still serve self (sin) and be a child of God?

“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9)

Do your clothes remain dirty after you wash them EG?

What does this have to do with anyone who claims to be sinless being decieved.

there you go twisting again

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Of course everyone you AGREE with here are interpreting the Bible “correctly”…

LOL!!

I am not the one trying to tell everyone I am showing the the truth with the word my friend, Thats you

There you go once again. Your pride runs deep..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I see you just ignored my post linked below. You don’t care to here rebuttals to your doctrine. You have made up your mind already in what the Bible teaches. You probably don’t even read it cover to cover frequently anymore (Deuteronomy 17:19). You just want to lecture people like @Behold.

The Problems of Perpetual Belief Alone Salvation-ism.

you have not rebutted crap

You have to show me HOW john did not include himself when he used the word We

Or you have to prove John spoke in past tense not present.

Otherwise. You have not proven anything.

 

[Charlie24]

@Michiah-Imla

It appears you have seen fit to be the official rock chunker on these boards.

You have as much told me you are not perfect, so you too have sin!

"He who is without sin let him cast the first stone."

Are you or are you not without sin that you can cast the stones?

Just a simple yes or no is all that's needed.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

You have to show me HOW john did not include himself when he used the word We

First, You have to show me HOW Paul did not include himself when he used the word “We” here:

“Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering… For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:23-27)

And don’t twist this scripture please.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

"He who is without sin let him cast the first stone."

Jesus said that before the death and resurrection of himself.

Not valid.

 

[Charlie24]

Jesus said that before the death and resurrection of himself.

Not valid.

Will you answer the question? Are you or are you not without sin?

 

[ScottA]

Paul said, I have fought the good fight. I have kept the faith. He was not lying when he said these things. Yes, Jesus is also the author and finisher of our faith, too. But both sets of Scriptures are true. One is not true and the other is accurate. Both are true. This means things are synergistic. We have our part, and God can do His part through us. But we must take a step out in faith first when God draws us. God is not going to believe for us. God is not going to obey for you despite your resistance.

Do you believe Scripture when it says God will judge His people?
If so... then there should be no judgment of His people if God does everything for us and we are free of any responsibility to do anything for God.

You are mixing darkness with light, those not (yet) saved with those who are. Paul was not speaking of himself as not yet saved, but speaking as one who was "all things to all people, that he might save some"--that was his good fight. Which he did as the structure of the church for many generations, knowing the times would even include great apostasy...not because of his failure to make good his own work, but because the gentiles would suffer their own evils for many generations. Then comes the end.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

So now your changing your tune? So you admit you can still serve self (sin) and be a child of God?

No.

1. Lost sinner needs the blood to be sinless (1 John 1:7).

2. If the lost sinner claims to have no sin without confessing, the truth (Jesus) is not in him (1 John 1:8).

3. If the lost sinner confesses his sin, Jesus will cleanse him of all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9).

4. Lost sinner now becomes sinless (1 John 3:9).

5. Sinless saint is warned not to sin anymore. (John 5:24; John 8:11; 2 Peter 2:20; Hebrews 10:26-27).

6. If the sinless saint sins again, he has no more remedy (Hebrews 10:29).

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Are you or are you not without sin?

I am without sin because:

The Lamb of God took them away (John 1:29).

And I suffer for Christ’s sake:

“…for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin” (1 Peter 4:1)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Having sin and Committing sin are two different things.
Mankind is born in sin, because he is born from a corrupt mans seed.
Thus all of mankind HAS sin.
Mankind is NOT naturally born, believing in or with God.
God has given mankind a “learning period”, to hear, learn, about Him...
THEN freely Choose Him...or not.

Committing sin is standing against God.
Worshiping things others than God. Not believing in God,
* Stealing from God (taking what is holy unto God and applying, give it to another thing).
* Lying to God (saying you believe, when you don’t).


The 10 Commandments are for men to practice among men...in preparation of a True Relationship with God.

I disagree. If I am not sinning. I have no sin. I am in a perfected state.

I also disagree with your interpretation of sin. While breaking one of the ten is a sin. If that is our standard. we are far to low on what sin really is

Sin is anything not done in love. or anything done for self (the flesh)

I can do a good deed. But not do it in love. or for selfish reasons. That is sin, no matter what it is.

we also have sins of the mind. If I look at a lady with lust. I have sinned

we also have sins of ommission. If we know to do something that is right yet do not do it. it is sin.

the problem is if we think we have reached sinlessness, we are not able to see the sin that is in our life. if we deny we have sin, we are deceived. and in a hopeless state. because even the chastening of the HS will not be effective..

 

[Michiah-Imla]

@mailmandan @Behold @Eternally Grateful

I am your prey. Feast on…

“Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him...” (Isaiah 59:15)