The Problems of Perpetual Belief Alone Salvation-ism.

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There is no such thing as "the gift of initial salvation".
There is no such thing as "the gift of initial eternal life"
There is no such thing as "initiially born again".

There is LOST or SAVED.
Born again, or not.

Salvation is not temporary, and its not related to your BEHAVIOR.

God's acceptance of us, is only based on what Christ has "FINISHED" on the Cross.
That is our Salvation, it was FINISHED, 2000 yrs ago, and it is Appiled to you if you believe.

Jesus says in John 12:48, “He that... receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.” Meaning, if we do not accept the words of Jesus on what He tells us to do, those words will judge us on the last day.

For example: If we don't believe Matthew 6:15, and we don't forgive others, then Jesus will bring to light the Word of Matthew 6:15 to us in how we will not be forgiven by the Father (i.e. we will not be saved and we will be cast into the Lake of Fire).

 

[Charlie24]

“All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them. They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge. Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.” (Proverbs 8:8-10)

Put away the silver and gold (the study helps and commentaries).

No one has ever lived on this earth (other than Christ, and possibly Paul) who didn't learn the Gospel of Jesus Christ from another man. Once you learn that Gospel and what it means, someone still has to show you what to do with what you have learned.

Not a single one of us here have created the doctrines we are discussing on these forums. We learned the in's and out's of these doctrines from another. But once we have been carried far enough, then we begin to learn from the Holy Spirit, that is, if we are in Christ.

That is when the Spirit begins to reveal what you are to believe. But if you're not on board by faith in Christ and have a heart to learn the truth, you can forget it, it ain't gonna happen.

So how do I learn what is right and what is wrong is this world of false doctrine? I study the scripture and read those doctrines already created and ask the Holy Spirit to guide me in truth.

I'm a firm believer in Prov. 1:23, it's like a tattoo on my brain.

"Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you."

That's a promise from the Lord God Himself! If the Holy Spirit points out sin in your life and you turn from that sin, well you see what he has promised.

I want to know His words and I guard myself the best I can from sin and do my best to drop it like hot potato when He points it out to me.

 

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These forums have some (not all) exceptionally rude people (usually from the OSAS camp).

Actually, just the opposite is usually true.
Even a Mod was here recently reminding a Legalist that insulting those who he feels are the "OSAS group", ..... isn't the best way to prove the love of God.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

There is no such thing as "the gift of initial salvation".
There is no such thing as "the gift of initial eternal life"
There is no such thing as "initiially born again".

There is LOST or SAVED.
Born again, or not.

Salvation is not temporary, and its not related to your BEHAVIOR.

God's acceptance of us, is only based on what Christ has "FINISHED" on the Cross.
That is our Salvation, it was FINISHED, 2000 yrs ago, and it is Appiled to you if you believe.

Matthew 13:41-42 says:
“The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”

So Jesus will send forth His angels and they will gather out of His Kingdom (Christ's Kingdom) all who do iniquity (sin) and they will be cast into the furnace of fire (i.e. the Lake of Fire).

This is a similar thing we see in Matthew 7:22-23. Certain believers who did good works also worked iniquity (sin), and Jesus told them to depart from Him.

But the real point I wanted to drive home on this in relation to Matthew 13:41-42 is that one can be in the Kingdom (an unsaved weed in the Kingdom) and be later cast out at the Judgment.

For Jesus says he that sins is a slave to sin (John 8:34).
And a slave (slave to sin) does not abide in the house (i.e. Christ's Kingdom) forever.

Meaning, a professing believer who declares to be in the Lord Jesus' kingdom will not be able to continue to keep professing that forever if they are a slave to their sin. Those who are slaves to their sin will be cast out as we see in Matthew 13:41-42. All those who are in the OSAS or Belief Alone Camp generally justify sin on some level. Yet, Jesus warns these types of Christians to depart from Him or they will be gathered out of His Kingdom at the Judgment by his angels to be destroyed by the Lake of Fire.

 

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Jesus says in John 12:48, “He that... receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.” .

The only sin that is Judged in Heaven, will be found to be judged at Revelation 20:11.
Those who have committed it, will not find their names in the Lamb's book of Life.
This is the unpardonable sin.
If you want to see it being committed, then turn to Hebrews 10:26, and watch a group of Christ Rejecting JEWS< committing it.
Then turn to Acts 28, and read to the end, and find the same happening again.

Here is how it works.. If you die a Christ rejector, then you die in your sins, on earth, Jesus says.
Then, in Eternity, you will be judged for only one sin, and that sin is the unpardonable sin of Christ rejection.

End result?
There are no born again, in hell.
There are no Christ rejectors, never born again, in Heaven.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Actually, just the opposite is usually true.
Even a Mod was here recently reminding a Legalist that insulting those who he feels are the "OSAS group", ..... isn't the best way to prove the love of God.

“Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.” (Leviticus 19:17)

“…rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;” (Titus 1:13)

Christianity is based on the Bible. This a Christian forum, no? Is it based on the Bible? Or on Once Saved Always Saved?

 

[Behold]

So Jesus will send forth His angels and they will gather out of His Kingdom (Christ's Kingdom) all who do iniquity (sin) and they will be cast into the furnace of fire (i.e. the Lake of Fire).

Notice the verse does not say they are born again.
It does not say they are "Sons of God".

There is a reason for that... and when you learn that reason, you'll stop trying to believe that salvation can be lost.

 

[Behold]

“…rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;” (Titus 1:13)

Ive been doing this for you, now, for 3 days.
If you were in my Classroom, i would have used Titus 3:10 on you, the first class.
And being sound in THE "faith", is to not teach as you do, that salvation (going to heaven) is based on your behavior.
Believe it., as that is Legalism.

 

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There is no such thing as "the gift of initial salvation".
There is no such thing as "the gift of initial eternal life"
There is no such thing as "initiially born again".

So you don't believe Ephesians 2:8-9 talks about how we were saved (sav-ED) (past tense) in relation to how salvation (God's grace) is like a gift of God?

There is LOST or SAVED.
Born again, or not.

Right, and justifying sin can stand in the way of being saved.
Just look at the Parable of the Prodigal Son.
In Luke 15:11, and Luke 15:32, we learn that when the prodigal son came home and confessed of his sins to his father (i.e. a parallel of our everlasting Father: Jesus Christ), the father said that his son was “dead” and he is “alive AGAIN.” Seeing the prodigal son did not die physically, this parable is speaking in spiritual terms. The son died spiritually when he was prodigal and living it up with prostitutes, and he became “Alive AGAIN” spiritually after he came home to his father and confessed of his sins to him and before all of Heaven. James 5:19-20 also expresses this same similar truth. Read it and believe it.

Salvation is not temporary, and its not related to your BEHAVIOR.

I am sure your Protestant teachers have brainwashed you to believe this, but that's clearly not what the Bible teaches.

God's acceptance of us, is only based on what Christ has "FINISHED" on the Cross.
That is our Salvation, it was FINISHED, 2000 yrs ago, and it is Appiled to you if you believe.

Actually, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 point out that it is more than just believing on what Christ did for us on the cross. Believing the gospel message is believing that Christ died for our sins, he was buried, and he was risen the third day. The Protestant saying that says that you must believe on the finished work of the cross does not exist in Scripture. There are many Protestant sayings that are just plain dumb that do not exist in the Bible. They make up all kinds of silly unbiblical sayings. But of course Protestants are gullible and they just trust those Protestant Theologians instead of the Bible.

 

[Behold]

Right, and justifying sin can stand in the way of being saved.

God justifies sinners.
Christ died for Sinners.
"to him that worketh NOT< but believeth on God who justifies THE UNGODLY....their FAITH is counted as Righteousness".

See that?
God justifies, not the GOOD, but the UNGODLY., and once justifed by the Sacrifice of Christ, then always justified.
Salvation, is not part time.
Eternal Life, is not Temporary.

 

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Notice the verse does not say they are born again.
It does not say they are "Sons of God".

There is a reason for that... and when you learn that reason, you'll stop trying to believe that salvation can be lost.

Right, I am not saying they are saved. I am saying they are believers (who no doubt thought they were saved but they were not saved). They were only in the Kingdom in a physical sense on this Earth (and not spiritually) in that they did the work at times and they believed certain things here on this Earth, but they did not obey entirely and they did not believe correctly, and thus they will be cast out of Christ's Kingdom at the Judgment. Remember, they are weeds and they will be uprooted at the end of the world.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

If you were in my Church or in my Classroom, i would have used Titus 3:10 on you, the first class.

You have specialized the meaning of scripture according to the tradition of men and cut down anyone coming at you with their plain meanings.

Just like Jesus said of the Pharisees:

“…Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.” (Matthew 15:3-6)

Every valid scripture I post on you guys has been interpreted away from harming your tradition of Once Saved Always Saved, the exact same tactic of the Pharisees of old.

This is why I stay away from churches. They are filled with your type.

Hebrews 10:26-29 is a damning verse against Once Saved Always Saved, but ye say [insert any contradicting falsehood here].

 

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Right, I am not saying they are saved. I am saying they are believers

You are a mass of theological contradiction, as is your pile of commentaries.
First you want to post a verse that does not speak to the redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb, to damn Believers.
When that failed, you now want to walk it back, yet, you say they are Believers.
Well, if you have BELIEVED, then you are Saved.
If you are not a believer, then you are this...... John 3:36

 

[Behold]

Hebrews 10:26-29 is a damning verse against Once Saved Always Saved, but ye say [insert any contradicting falsehood here].

I didnt respond to your 1st posted verse, as its has no connection to anything we are discussing. Its just you, as usual, yanking your one verse out of context.

Next..
Hebrews 10:26, is Acts 28.
You should find this out, vs just reposting what isnt true, again and again.
If you will study Act 28, the last 10 verses....you'll discover the same Apostle Paul, is talking to the same unsaved = CHrist rejecting HEBREWS.
And when you do, then that is in your favor.

 

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God justifies sinners.
Christ died for Sinners.
"to him that worketh NOT< but believeth on God who justifies THE UNGODLY....their FAITH is counted as Righteousness".

Romans 4:5 that says that God justifies the ungodly is in reference to believers first coming to the faith for the first time in that they used to be sinners or ungodly. They are justified when they seek forgiveness of their sins with Jesus and they believe the gospel message in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Nowhere will you find the Bible saying that God justifies the ungodly in context to their not changing their behavior as they live out their faith. You will not find the Bible saying we are sinners saved by grace (Which is another stupid non-existent Protestant saying).

See that?
God justifies, not the GOOD, but the UNGODLY., and once justifed by the Sacrifice of Christ, then always justified.
Salvation, is not part time.
Eternal Life, is not Temporay.

You have to look at the whole counsel of God's Word to get a complete picture of salvation.
If this was not the case, then you could wrongfully end up being a Universalist if you believed John 1:29 applied to all people (all people who ever lived) being saved from their sins so as to enter God's Kingdom forever. For 1 John 1:29 that says, “Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” Did Jesus save even those who reject Christ in this life? You could read John 1:29 in the wrong way and conclude that falsely (of course). That's why you have to look at all of what the Bible says on the topic of sin and salvation and not just those verses you want to be true from the popular sin and still be saved type Christianity of today.

 

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You are a mass of theological contradiction, as is your pile of commentaries.
First you want to post a verse that does not speak to the redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb, to damn Believers.
When that failed, you now want to walk it back, yet, you say they are Believers.
Well, if you have BELIEVED, then you are Saved.
If you are not a believer, then you are this...... John 3:36

I am not walking back anything. I am clarifying to you what I meant. Matthew 13:41-42 is talking about believers who thought they were saved but they did not make into God's Kingdom because they justified sin or evil. They are weeds and they don't know it. They are only in the Kingdom on this Earth in a nominal sense or physical way and not in a spiritual way. They will be cast out at the Judgment and burned. They were most likely never saved, or they were deceived later in life to justify sin.

 

[Behold]

Romans 4:5 that says that God justifies the ungodly is in reference to believers first coming to the faith for the first time .

No, its a statement declaring that God justifes the ungodly, based on the Cross of Christ.
Its very simple.
And once you are Justified, you are born again by God's Holy Spirit, and you can't stop being born again.

 

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I am not walking back anything. I am clarifying to you what I meant. Matthew 13:41-42 is talking about believers who thought they were saved but they did not make into God's Kingdom because they justified sin or evil..

If you read verse 40, and it is talking about tares, you notice it refers to the "end of the world".
Well, the born again, are not HERE then, as we have been RAPTURED.
So, this verse, isn't directed at the bride of Christ.

 

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No, its a statement declaring that God justifes the ungodly, based on the Cross of Christ.
Its very simple.

I dare you to re-read the context. It's not saying in the context that they are continuing to be ungodly. The context is talking about Initial Salvation (i.e. to be saved by God's grace).

For example: If you don't believe Romans is not talking about Initial Salvation primarily, and it is talking about your continued salvation (after one is saved by God’s grace), then do you believe Romans 3:11 applies to you and or every believer today in the present tense? Meaning, do you hold to the view that Christians do not seek after God and that they have no understanding according to Romans 3:11? I say this because most in your camp believe Romans 3:10, and Romans 3:23 applies to them in the present tense.

And once you are Justified, you are born again by God's Holy Spirit, and you can't stop being born again.

To be born again is a miracle. While a person cannot be born again (without a miracle or resurrection from God), they can die. One can die spiritually of which I shown to you in Luke 15:11, Luke 15:32, and James 5:19-20. But you can keep ignoring these kinds of verses in the Bible if it makes you feel better.

 

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If you read verse 40, and it is talking about tares, you notice it refers to the "end of the world".
Well, the born again, are not HERE then, as we have been RAPTURED.
So, this verse, isn't directed at the bride of Christ.

Yes. They are tares or weeds. That's what I have been saying. But they don't know they are tares. They are believers who don't know they are not saved. They are not saved because they justify sin. See Matthew 7:22-23 again.

Anyways, regardless of whether you believe this is reference to the bride of Christ or not, the fact is that the tares (weeds) are false believers and the wheat are faithful believers. All Scripture is profitable for doctrine and instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16-17).