The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

[WPM]

Well as I asked you first for th elinks to verify your claims, I will await you providing yours first.

Hello! I do not simply work from links. I work from books and reading through online ancient docs. That is why i gave the references. I am not going to do the work for you. Take the time and you will find it. I have showed you where.

 

[WPM]

I am awaiting for you to provide the evidence you made the allegations of.

I have! Read it and do your own verification, if you can be bothered.

 

[WPM]

Well you made the claim- I am asking you to provide evidence. Or were you just seeing these guys were heretics and just plugged them in hoping no one would do a cursory investigation?

Do your own research! So far, you have proved nothing, only your own ignorance of the subject.

 

[WPM]

Well as I asked you first for th elinks to verify your claims, I will await you providing yours first.

1. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described sin existing on a future millennial earth?
2. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described corruption existing on a future millennial earth?
3. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described the wicked existing on a future millennial earth?
4. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described mortals existing on a future millennial earth?
5. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described decay existing on a future millennial earth?
6. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described the curse existing on a future millennial earth?
7. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described Satan existing on a future earth?
8. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described an alleged future millennium which involved the elevation of natural Israel above all other ethnic groups as Premil does?
9. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described an alleged future millennium involving a renewal of the Jewish sacrifice system as Premil does?
10. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described an alleged future millennium involving carnal pleasure like procreating in the age to come as Premil does?
11. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that advocated the binding of Satan for 1,000 years+ after the second coming as Premil does?
12. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that advocated the release of Satan 1,000 years+ after the second coming as Premil does?
13. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that advocated the revival of Satanism 1,000 years+ after the second coming as the wicked in their billions overrun the Premil millennium as Premil does?
14. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that taught that Jesus would be reigning over His enemies for 1,000 years upon David’s throne?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Hello! I do not simply work from links. I work from books and reading through online ancient docs. That is why i gave the references. I am not going to do the work for you. Take the time and you will find it. I have showed you where.

So we have no proof you spoke the truth. Okay!

YOu could at least cite the books and documents. there are millions of books. I will not search out your claims. Cite the references or we shall ignore your claims

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I have! Read it and do your own verification, if you can be bothered.

and which books or documents or web sites? YOu made the claim- it isyour responsibility to cite your sources or otherwise they are refused as unverified.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Do your own research! So far, you have proved nothing, only your own ignorance of the subject.

So all you wish to do ais make claims and not cite where you got the info to make the claims. Your claims are useless.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

1. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described sin existing on a future millennial earth?
2. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described corruption existing on a future millennial earth?
3. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described the wicked existing on a future millennial earth?
4. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described mortals existing on a future millennial earth?
5. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described decay existing on a future millennial earth?
6. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described the curse existing on a future millennial earth?
7. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described Satan existing on a future earth?
8. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described an alleged future millennium which involved the elevation of natural Israel above all other ethnic groups as Premil does?
9. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described an alleged future millennium involving a renewal of the Jewish sacrifice system as Premil does?
10. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described an alleged future millennium involving carnal pleasure like procreating in the age to come as Premil does?
11. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that advocated the binding of Satan for 1,000 years+ after the second coming as Premil does?
12. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that advocated the release of Satan 1,000 years+ after the second coming as Premil does?
13. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that advocated the revival of Satanism 1,000 years+ after the second coming as the wicked in their billions overrun the Premil millennium as Premil does?
14. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that taught that Jesus would be reigning over His enemies for 1,000 years upon David’s throne?

We can answer all these once you provide the sources you used to make your claims!

But I can quote Scripture which is infallible and not so much the church fathers who were not given infallibility in their writings like the writers of Scripture were.

I have the 30 volume ante-nicene fathers, but will awaitr you validating your claims first. Everything in its proper order. If you refuse- then my answer will be what you said- go look yourself!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

1. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described sin existing on a future millennial earth?
2. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described corruption existing on a future millennial earth?
3. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described the wicked existing on a future millennial earth?
4. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described mortals existing on a future millennial earth?
5. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described decay existing on a future millennial earth?
6. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described the curse existing on a future millennial earth?
7. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described Satan existing on a future earth?
8. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described an alleged future millennium which involved the elevation of natural Israel above all other ethnic groups as Premil does?
9. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described an alleged future millennium involving a renewal of the Jewish sacrifice system as Premil does?
10. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described an alleged future millennium involving carnal pleasure like procreating in the age to come as Premil does?
11. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that advocated the binding of Satan for 1,000 years+ after the second coming as Premil does?
12. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that advocated the release of Satan 1,000 years+ after the second coming as Premil does?
13. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that advocated the revival of Satanism 1,000 years+ after the second coming as the wicked in their billions overrun the Premil millennium as Premil does?
14. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that taught that Jesus would be reigning over His enemies for 1,000 years upon David’s throne?

Let me ask you, which is more important to you, the ECF or the word of God?

 

[WPM]

Let me ask you, which is more important to you, the ECF or the word of God?

Why would you even ask? The Word of God is our sole grounds of spiritual truth. This topic just shows the dubious origins of modern Premil.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

This is TRUTH !
If these agnostics, heretics, cult followers, athesist, antagonists, aggravaters, and agitators were not here, would we dig as deep or search so thuroughly the scriptures ?

Think about it.

So I'm thank you folks are here !

 

[WPM]

We can answer all these once you provide the sources you used to make your claims!

But I can quote Scripture which is infallible and not so much the church fathers who were not given infallibility in their writings like the writers of Scripture were.

I have the 30 volume ante-nicene fathers, but will awaitr you validating your claims first. Everything in its proper order. If you refuse- then my answer will be what you said- go look yourself!

I have references attached to each quote, if you will take the time to actually do the research.

 

[WPM]

Let me ask you, which is more important to you, the ECF or the word of God?

Now: will you answer these questions that Premils cannot answer?

 

[Randy Kluth]

1. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described sin existing on a future millennial earth?
2. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described corruption existing on a future millennial earth?
3. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described the wicked existing on a future millennial earth?
4. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described mortals existing on a future millennial earth?
5. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described decay existing on a future millennial earth?
6. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described the curse existing on a future millennial earth?
7. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described Satan existing on a future earth?
8. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described an alleged future millennium which involved the elevation of natural Israel above all other ethnic groups as Premil does?
9. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described an alleged future millennium involving a renewal of the Jewish sacrifice system as Premil does?
10. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described an alleged future millennium involving carnal pleasure like procreating in the age to come as Premil does?
11. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that advocated the binding of Satan for 1,000 years+ after the second coming as Premil does?
12. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that advocated the release of Satan 1,000 years+ after the second coming as Premil does?
13. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that advocated the revival of Satanism 1,000 years+ after the second coming as the wicked in their billions overrun the Premil millennium as Premil does?
14. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that taught that Jesus would be reigning over His enemies for 1,000 years upon David’s throne?

Please show where the Church Fathers denied there would be a continuation of mortal humanity for another thousand years *after* the return of Christ. The Apostle John clearly suggested there would be this by saying that towards the end of the thousand years, mankind would again rebel against God's People. That means there is still sin on earth a thousand years after Christ's return.

 

[WPM]

Please show where the Church Fathers denied there would be a continuation of mortal humanity for another thousand years *after* the return of Christ. The Apostle John clearly suggested there would be this by saying that towards the end of the thousand years, mankind would again rebel against God's People. That means there is still sin on earth a thousand years after Christ's return.

Lol. You are wanting me to prove something from silence. That is ridiculous and typical of your avoidance and lack of any support for your position.

The burden of proof is actually with you.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Lol. You are wanting me to prove something from silence. That is ridiculous and typical of your avoidance and lack of any support for your position.

The burden of proof is actually with you.

I'm laughing right back at you. The reason I asked for an argument from silence was precisely because that's what you're doing. I would have to assume from John's message that those who followed John and taught Premill likewise had his view, that mortal humanity would eventually rebel against God when Satan is released at the end of the Millennium.

That is hard evidence, and you want me to prove this is not in the minds of those who followed John and taught Premill! That is the very definition of an argument from silence! You would normally assume that a Millennial Kingdom, based on John's record, would be the same. And yet you want proof of something different.

Your real problem is that you think John's version should require others to come along and reaffirm his story by emphasizing the Sin aspect of the Millennial era, even though the era is to be characterized by Christian rule, and not by sin. But this, I know, flies over your head. Not so funny now, huh?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Why would you even ask? The Word of God is our sole grounds of spiritual truth. This topic just shows the dubious origins of modern Premil.

Well this topic doesn't. all you have deone is vomit out accusations without showing the evidence to validate said vomitous charges. If this were a court, the judge would throw your xhargfes outr for lack of any evidence. Just saying so is not ewnough.

I am offline for at least a week, my wife took very ill on vacation with one of our daughters and granddaughters, so I shall shortly be leaving to go and care for her,

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Please show where the Church Fathers denied there would be a continuation of mortal humanity for another thousand years *after* the return of Christ. The Apostle John clearly suggested there would be this by saying that towards the end of the thousand years, mankind would again rebel against God's People. That means there is still sin on earth a thousand years after Christ's return.

I agree with this statement.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Why would you even ask? The Word of God is our sole grounds of spiritual truth. This topic just shows the dubious origins of modern Premil.

Because on this thread you are more concerned with what ECF writers said and who is and is not a heretic. NOt according to Scripture but according to what the other ECF said. And as I have no point of reference from where you are getting all these claims, I do not have time to pore over 30 volumes to find or not find your supposed allegations if they be true or not.

YOu are being very dodgy by not provifing sources. Why is that?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Now: will you answer these questions that Premils cannot answer?

Would love to. but you need to post questions for me to answer!