Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

[1stCenturyLady]

if it is by belief then why would you say Satan doesn't care if we believe?

I mean to the degree that he, himself, believes about Him. Did you know that the opposite of believe is disobedient. That means there are millions of disobedient Christians that do not actually know what scriptural believing even means. Look at James 2:19

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?

So, again, I'll say it a little differently: Satan doesn't care if you believe like he does, as long as you are disobedient. Our works are our obedience to be pure. 1 John 3:3, And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure. See you didn't read far enough. Do you think I wouldn't know exactly what scripture you were referring to, by chapter and verse? I'm a Bible teacher. By trying to hide verse 3, I know you know it is there. That is a little scary. It tells me you already know you are in hot water if you were to die today. So why fight holiness? I don't. I keep myself pure. 1 John 5:18. It is so easy. All you have to do if refuse to do anything against your conscience. 1 John 3:21. Go to bed with a clear conscience each and every night.

huh??Romans 7:14-25 is the apostle speaking in present tense
when he by the Spirit of God writes 'with the mind i myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin' do you imagine he is talking about the unsaved, unregenerate, unbelieving sinner?
do you imagine the unsaved, unregenerate, unbelieving enemy of God who despises righteousness "serves the law of God with their mind" ???

So you take that as born again Christians are still in the flesh, don't you.

First you didn't go far enough ahead. Now you didn't start far enough behind and in context.

Romans 7:5
For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death.

That is about when the people of God, the Jews, were under the law, and trying to keep the Ten Commandments while still having a sinful nature, called the old man. Many Christians today read 14-25 as you do, COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT. Now read Romans 8:1-9. And notice the verses referring to the flesh and learn something that no one in your denomination knows. You could even teach them something that will save their souls.

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. (That is also present tense, so don't be thrown by the tense, for not everyone who reads the Bible are already Christians. What is past for you, may be present for them). 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.


condemned sin in the flesh means Christ killed the source of sin in us - the sin nature, the old man.

Romans 6:6-7
6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin (the whole source - the sin nature) might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin.

we do not "repent of our inability to be righteous"
we repent of our sin recognizing it as sin and looking to Him for mercy

being a Christian is not about what you "do" but what you believe.
it is by grace through faith, not by reward for good deeds.
salvation is mercy.

James has already addressed this folly.

James 2:19
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?

is that the day you were persuaded to devote your human will to doing good works, because you were given the impression that good works is what gets a person into heaven?

No, I knew I couldn't so why even try. It is not through my "trying to be good" that I could be. It was from Jesus killing my sin nature and replacing it with His Spirit. After that there was no "trying" there was just "doing what was now natural for me to do - righteousness. It is not the legalism you suppose. It is a supernatural change of nature to the divine nature of God.

2 Peter 1:2-4.
2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

where do you see "salvation is by never stumbling" in that?

Here is the rest of the 2 Peter passage:

2 Peter 1:5-11
5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control a]">[a]perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

o she stated it plainly enough, saying believing in Christ doesn't matter at all, it's all about being sinlessly perfect.
a person who doesn't even realize a statement like that is itself sin, does not understand what they read when they pick up their Bibles, IMO.


anyone who knows and believes the gospel should know right away that this right here is crazy talk:

I hope you will understand exactly what I meant in my last post.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

that this right here is crazy talk

9 But as it is written:

“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”

10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.

13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[Truther]

I know what you are saying but you do not know why the name of Jesus was mentioned in that verse. John the Baptist came first. Why? He was making straight the path to Jesus, and it all comes down to repentance. So if you were baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and have never actually repented to the degree that He then gave you the powerful life-changing Holy Spirit and became free from sin, which you seem to be arguing against (YIKES), then you just got wet. What does Mathew 28:18-20 say?

18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”Amen.

The important thing is to be baptized in the name of GOD. Jesus is God. The Father is God. The Holy Spirit is God. The Spirit of Christ is God. With God inside of you, you cannot sin. But you think otherwise. So what does being baptized in the name of Jesus only done for you? I have been baptized in all of the names of God, including Jesus Christ, and the evidence that it was accepted finally, is that I do not sin. You still choose to. Why, when you should have the power not to if you've been baptized in the Holy Spirit is a slap in God's face.

You have no remission of sins if you have not been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, nor are you in the Church at Pentecost.

Just take care of it today.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

o she stated it plainly enough, saying believing in Christ doesn't matter at all, it's all about being sinlessly perfect.
a person who doesn't even realize a statement like that is itself sin, does not understand what they read when they pick up their Bibles, IMO.


anyone who knows and believes the gospel should know right away that this right here is crazy talk:

The test of whether you TRULY BELIEVE in Jesus is if He accomplished in you what He came here for. Do you know why He came? To take your punishment so you could continue sinning? NO!

1 John 5:5
He was manifest to TAKE AWAY YOUR SIN, and in Him there is no sin. Why?

1 John 5:9
Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

You have believed doctrines of demons for so long and it sound so good; too good to be true, because it IS too good to be true. You cannot keep sinning believe yours sins are covered, and expect to go to heaven. Revelation 22:11.

 

[Truther]

Right. It is about the mercy of God to accept the Jews who have sinned against Him, and now even the Gentiles. Romans 3:21-26

21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

They are now justified when they accept Christ and He delivers them from sin. Romans 6:6-7

The prodigal begging forgiveness is about the Jews begging forgiveness?

I never heard that one before.

They have been begging forgiveness for 2000 years so far.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

You have no remission of sins if you have not been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, nor are you in the Church at Pentecost.

Just take care of it today.

You don't understand. I already have. I'm good. God is still confirming I have assurance in Him. 1 John 3:21-24

I appreciate your concern, but I hope you are also heeding my teachings to you about sin.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

The prodigal begging forgiveness is about the Jews begging forgiveness?

I never heard that one before.

They have been begging forgiveness for 2000 years so far.

No, He was accepted back into the fold. The Jews killed Christ. That's as far away as any prodigal can be. And even they can be saved.

Good night!

 

[Truther]

You don't understand. I already have. I'm good. God is still confirming I have assurance in Him. 1 John 3:21-24

I don't care how much you feel God, because you must be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins.

If I found that out just now, I would be baptized immediately like Cornelius was.

If you were Cornelius, you would have done and said this....


46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord...AS SHE ANSWERED, THANKS BUT NO THANKS....

 

[L.A.M.B.]

The devil, satan,,dragon,ole slew foot, Lucifer whatever you want to call OUR ENEMY to those of faith knew Jesus in all his power and glory having resided with him in heaven.

He knew the agreement between God the Father, and the Lamb to be the propitiation for the sins of fallen man before the foundation of the world. Now maybe he didnt really believe it since he is a liar and has been trying to take away Gods sovereignty since sin grabbed ahold of him !

Apparently the devil knows more about God and the word than some ppl.

The statements of some ppl here greives my heart for they are deceived in thinking they have received salvation. They are lost and have not been found yet by his Amazing Grace through faith.

How can ppl stand in assurance that is sooooooo wrong ? Has the conscience been seared or are they just ignorant and blind ?

Having tasted, drank and feasted at the word of God, I simply can NOT GRASP THE.....WHY.... ppl dont know the TRUTH !

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I don't care how much you feel God, because you must be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins.

If I found that out just now, I would be baptized immediately like Cornelius was.

If you were Cornelius, you would have done and said this....


46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord...AS SHE ANSWERED, THANKS BUT NO THANKS....

AGAIN, I already have been! How many times do you want to hear that? Do you understand? You seem to have a very limited idea of what the gospel is. I have also been baptized in the name of the Father and Holy Spirit as well according to Matthew's gospel 28:18-20, so yes, I have been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

Have you been given the power to stop sinning? Are you keeping yourself pure? I hope so. There is more to being a Christian than limited to being baptized in the right name as you seem to think. Don't swat at gnats and swallow a camel. That is called a religious spirit that sidetracks you from the meat of the gospel - freedom from sin. John 8:32-36

 

[post]

1 John 5:9
Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

since you "are a Bible teacher" i trust you meant 1 John 3:9, not 1 John 5:9, or maybe 1 John 5:18 -- and that you are aware that the English language is not of sufficient sophistication to completely convey the Greek tense here, the present active, which specifically indicates not any one-time event but an ongoing action - so that you lead no one astray.



this does not say we never stumble.
it says we don't continually practice sin, but God works in us, turning our hearts and minds away from sin & to Him who continually makes intercession for us ((as Paul writes also in Romans 7-8, saying with the mind he serves God, being found walking in the Spirit, waiting for the final redemption of our bodies)).

if the Christian never stumbles why does Christ continually make intercession for us?
why are we admonished, "forgive one another" and "encourage one another" if no true believer ever needs forgiveness or encouragement?

 

[post]

freedom from sin. John 8:32-36

this freedom isn't accomplished by obedient works but by faith, through our being baptized with Him into His death & resurrection, such that we are no longer under law - having died - being made free to be betrothed to Him in grace.

if you were sinless now, why would you falsely accuse me?

That is a little scary. It tells me you already know you are in hot water if you were to die today. So why fight holiness?

i know i have eternal life: and i know it because of Whom i believe not because of how good or how poor i am at keeping this body of flesh under the subjection of my willpower & effort.

but if you died before you repented of accusing me of 'doctrines of demons' would you be eternally damned?
i.e. does your salvation depend on your works or on your belief ?

lady, it is Christ! and it is by the mercy of God, not the will, desire or effort of men.
what would make you presume i "fight holiness" just because i have the humility & clear sight to understand that i have nothing but the cross to justify myself before God, no matter how scrupulously i 'touch not, taste not or handle not' ?

 

[post]

Did you know that the opposite of believe is disobedient.

no; that is not correct.

the opposite of belief is unbelief.

He that believeth on Him is not condemned:
but he that believeth not is condemned already,
because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
(John 3:18)
​

salvation is by faith

 

[post]

So you take that as born again Christians are still in the flesh, don't you.

First you didn't go far enough ahead. Now you didn't start far enough behind and in context.

we do not receive the Spirit by works, neither are we perfected through works.
this is by no means indicating we do none. it means i put no confidence in the flesh, but trust wholly in Christ the LORD.

i do not have time to quote the entire NT to you -- i work.

 

[Truther]

AGAIN, I already have been! How many times do you want to hear that? Do you understand? You seem to have a very limited idea of what the gospel is. I have also been baptized in the name of the Father and Holy Spirit as well according to Matthew's gospel 28:18-20, so yes, I have been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

Have you been given the power to stop sinning? Are you keeping yourself pure? I hope so. There is more to being a Christian than limited to being baptized in the right name as you seem to think. Don't swat at gnats and swallow a camel. That is called a religious spirit that sidetracks you from the meat of the gospel - freedom from sin. John 8:32-36

If you think the titles replace the name of Jesus, you are mistaken.

The name of Jesus verbalized as you are in the water is what remits sins.

The bride must take the grooms name.

This is how one gets free from sin.

 

[Behold]

The Spirit does a heart surgery.

Water baptism does a circumcision.

Water baptism gets you wet.

The Holy Spirit produces the born again Spirit.

How do you know?
Because every one is born again..... "by my Spirit sayeth the Lord'.... yet, people like you, want to praise the city water supply.
And you need to think about that, as you are actually denying the Holy Spirit, by trying to replace HIS WORK with STUPID WATER.

"well what about the people who trust Christ when they get in the baptism".

C'mon.. what is that nonsense.
Why are they getting in the Water? = Its to confirm they have already believed.
You dont get in there, and then someone says...>"ok, let me tell you about Jesus for the first time".

So, this demonic pretense regarding the Catholic Religion that tries to pretend that WATER is Salvation, is not of GOD.
How do you know..???? Its because God, through the Holy Spirit, causes the NEW BIRTH of the SPIRIT in a person.
Water can't do this, as WATER is not the Holy SPIRIT, is NOT GOD... is not SPIRITUAL.......its just WATER !

 

[Truther]

Water baptism gets you wet.

The Holy Spirit produces the born again Spirit.

How do you know?
Because every one is born again..... "by my Spirit sayeth the Lord'.... yet, people like you, want to praise the city water supply.
And you need to think about that, as you are actually denying the Holy Spirit, by trying to replace HIS WORK with STUPID WATER.

"well what about the people who trust Christ when they get in the baptism".

C'mon.. what is that nonsense.
Why are they getting in the Water? Its to confirm they have believed.
You dont get in there, and then someone says...>"ok, let me tell you about Jesus for the first time".

So, this pretense of the Catholic Religion that tries to pretend that WATER is Salvation, is not of GOD.
How do you know.. because God, through the Holy Spirit, causes the NEW BIRTH of the SPIRIT in a person.
Water can't do this, as WATER is not SPIRIT, is not SPIRITUAL.......its just WATER !

Funny...

John baptized.

Jesus baptized.

Jesus' disciples baptized.

You refuse to baptize.

When did this disconnect happen?

 

[Behold]

Funny...

John baptized.
Jesus baptized.
Jesus' disciples baptized.
You refuse to baptize.
When did this disconnect happen?

Yes, they did baptize.
But its the Holy Spirit that causes the NEW BIRTH>.......not water.

You can be water baptized 345 times and still go to Hell when you die.
Why?
Because JESUS SAID...>"you must be born again", and that is not caused by WATER.
That is caused by "my SPIRIT, sayeth the Lord".

So, do you see your "disconnect".?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

since you "are a Bible teacher" i trust you meant 1 John 3:9, not 1 John 5:9, or maybe 1 John 5:18 -- and that you are aware that the English language is not of sufficient sophistication to completely convey the Greek tense here, the present active, which specifically indicates not any one-time event but an ongoing action - so that you lead no one astray.

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this does not say we never stumble.
it says we don't continually practice sin, but God works in us, turning our hearts and minds away from sin & to Him who continually makes intercession for us ((as Paul writes also in Romans 7-8, saying with the mind he serves God, being found walking in the Spirit, waiting for the final redemption of our bodies)).

if the Christian never stumbles why does Christ continually make intercession for us?
why are we admonished, "forgive one another" and "encourage one another" if no true believer ever needs forgiveness or encouragement?

2 Peter 1:10-11 says IF you follow those steps in verses 5-7 you will never stumble. IF! That may not apply to you. It only applies to those who are fully mature in the Spirit. That takes a while.