Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

[1stCenturyLady]

no; that is not correct.

the opposite of belief is unbelief.

He that believeth on Him is not condemned:
but he that believeth not is condemned already,
because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
(John 3:18)
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salvation is by faith

1 Peter 2: Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient,

 

[1stCenturyLady]

we do not receive the Spirit by works, neither are we perfected through works.
this is by no means indicating we do none. it means i put no confidence in the flesh, but trust wholly in Christ the LORD.

i do not have time to quote the entire NT to you -- i work.

So you've memorized your pet passages and skip the rest?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

being baptized with Him into His death & resurrection,

Right. Here it is in scripture.

6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

@post, I know you are hoping I'm wrong. But can you really refute the scriptures? Just ask Jesus to baptize you in the Holy Spirit and especially to give you a new nature.

 

[amigo de christo]

So you've memorized your pet passages and skip the rest?

Evidently he skipped an important reminder from james
SO you see how by WORKS our FAITH IS PERFECTED .
Most folks have a problem with one word . ITS CALLED OBEDIANCE .
THEY Like the idea of salvation but not so much the idea of obediance .
And yet by the life saving and life changing grace of GOD , lambs love all things JESUS taught . THEY love the truth
for GOD has shed His love upon our hearts

 

[L.A.M.B.]

It is so unreal to me how ppl SOOOOOOOOOTHE their conscience with what suits them.

The whole word of God must be taken in CONTEXT! It is not pull this out or that out bc IT MAKES MY POINT ! [ which it really doesnt]

Graduation day is going to be a very sad day for some bc they will see THEY HAVE FAILED THE COURSE. There will not be a re-examination offered nor given.

The word is set before all, the Holy Spirit is God, his desire is that none should perish but that ALL should walk in the light of the word. He is the power given to teach, bear his fruit, correct, chasten, convict and lead all who will follow in the correctness of God !

 

[amigo de christo]

It is so unreal to me how ppl SOOOOOOOOOTHE their conscience with what suits them.

The whole word of God must be taken in CONTEXT! It is not pull this out or that out bc IT MAKES MY POINT ! [ which it really doesnt]

Graduation day is going to be a very sad day for some bc they will see THEY HAVE FAILED THE COURSE. There will not be a re-examination offered nor given.

The word is set before all, the Holy Spirit is God, his desire is that none should perish but that ALL should walk in the light of the word. He is the power given to teach, bear his fruit, correct, chasten, convict and lead all who will follow in the correctness of God !

IF we pick and choose what to follow in the scriptures we have just made up our own religoin . ITS ALL or its none .
From every warning to every promise either we beleive it and recieve it and heed it or we are deceiving ourselves .
Its why , by grace , i have long pleaded for folks to simply return to learning the scrips . TIME to abandon
the concepts and precepts of many men who have gone wrong and have built a religion based upon their own minds making .
EITHER we embrace the TRUTH or we dont . AND if we pick and choose what to believe and omit other stuff , WELL
I dont see THE LOVING THE LORD WITH ALL THE HEART IN THAT . I SEE one building a religoin that serves NOT GOD
but rather SELF . Exactly . and that god cant save us , the god of self is a monster and saves none .
TIME to learn and embrace the glorious Words of the LORD . FOR all things HE taught worketh good unto the hearer and the doer
TIME to embrace the holy scrips , time to embrace the letters left to us in the bible by the apostels . FOR EVERY WORD is for our own good
that we may grow thereby in the FAITH . I pray for the peoples . Out of love for their souls i can only POINT TO THE ONE WHO DOES
save and can change a heart . THAT WOULD BE JESUS CHRIST . TIME to feast on those bibles . NOW hands up , cause its also TIME
TO PRAISE AND THANK THE GLORIOUS LORD .

 

[Truther]

Yes, they did baptize.
But its the Holy Spirit that causes the NEW BIRTH>.......not water.

You can be water baptized 345 times and still go to Hell when you die.
Why?
Because JESUS SAID...>"you must be born again", and that is not caused by WATER.
That is caused by "my SPIRIT, sayeth the Lord".

So, do you see your "disconnect".?

If you don't baptize in the name of Jesus you are doomed to stand before God without remission of sins as Peter would tell you concerning Acts 2:38.

You would have been considered an outcast by Peter and the 3000 at Pentecost.

What a terrible thought.

I guess your belief system tells you you can get away with it, huh?

 

[post]

2 Peter 1:10-11 says IF you follow those steps in verses 5-7 you will never stumble. IF! That may not apply to you. It only applies to those who are fully mature in the Spirit. That takes a while.

nor apparently to you, since you stumble in what you say, and in how you judge me - thereby also undercutting the vanity of your own righteousness: and only because i have been humble in confessing my own infinite imperfection as compared to Christ, and have upheld the primacy of belief as pertains to the way by which salvation is granted, and the truth that is the mercy of God -- at which things you rebuffed, which is also indication of your own failure to measure up to the impeccable holiness and purity of the LORD.

so what now; do you repent of being incapable of making yourself equivalent to the Most High?

 

[post]

So you've memorized your pet passages and skip the rest?

if you imagine i have not read all of the Bible simply because i only drew your attention to a few pertinent passages rather than quoting verbatim the entirety of scripture then it seems you also have a problem comprehending basic logic.

 

[post]

can you really refute the scriptures?

can you?

Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on,
that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me.
(Philippians 3:12)​

yes i have read all of Philippians dozens of times.
don't deflect.

 

[post]

Just ask Jesus to baptize you in the Holy Spirit

can you show me that command in scripture?
or are you repeating human tradition?

 

[post]

can you show me that command in scripture?
or are you repeating human tradition?

please allow me to help you out, o great wise Bible Teacher:

When you believed, you were marked in Him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit
(Ephesians 1:13)​

does this read to you as tho belief is irrelevant, that it's all about making yourself sinless, having no need for mercy?
does it say "when you became sinlessly perfect equal to God, and also asked, you were marked with the Holy Spirit" ?
hmm.
it does not.

let's go find that aforementioned "promise" --

And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Advocate to help you and be with you forever -- the Spirit of truth.
(John 14:16-17)

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oh wow! look!
it's not me who asks. it's Christ.
and He will never leave but be with me forever

fascinating

 

[post]

Evidently he skipped an important reminder from james
SO you see how by WORKS our FAITH IS PERFECTED .
Most folks have a problem with one word . ITS CALLED OBEDIANCE .
THEY Like the idea of salvation but not so much the idea of obediance .
And yet by the life saving and life changing grace of GOD , lambs love all things JESUS taught . THEY love the truth
for GOD has shed His love upon our hearts

simply because i know that salvation is not by the will, desire or effort of man but by the mercy of God does not mean i am disobedient.

amazingly common fallacy on Bible discussion forums.
people seem to be afraid that if they confess salvation is free, it might be stolen!
and that there is no other reason someone might obey God except fear of hell.

se llama amor, hermano. se llama agradecimiento. =]
la salvación que se puede perder no es salvación en absoluto.

but God is faithful!

 

[post]

6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

yes i know where it is. guess why i reminded you of it.
now ((obvious question)) how does death free one from sin?

Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law),
that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?
(Romans 7:1)​

yes i have read all of Romans not just dozens but scores & scores of times. it is the Leviticus of the NT. very important.

that particular word in Romans 6:7 refers to transgression -- we are free from transgression because having died the law has no dominion over us, should we transgress it. the word literally means "missing the mark" -- which surely you know, o great and knowledgeable Bible Teacher that you are, sent to instruct all of us.
missing what mark? well -- the mark is taken away, nailed to the cross, and so we are made "truly free" by the Son. please forgive me for drawing your attention to the Truth again; Romans 7:1 & Romans 4:15. the Son has made us free indeed.
it is as you earlier cited for quite different reasons: a slave is not a permanent member of the household ((as one who by constant works must prove himself worthy, never being secure)), but a son abides forever. John 8:35


salvation is the work of God, in great mercy and lovingkindness towards us.
how great is that work?
is it a mere temporary illusion of salvation that we must constantly be in fear of God changing His word to us, upheld by our own willpower devoid of any surety? does God deny His own Son because He doesn't want to eat His vegetables?
or is salvation real ?
is everlasting life everlasting or a temporary illusion of life waiting to be revealed as death?

it is His work and His work alone -- if you do not find me up to your personal standard of judgement because i eschew all boasting in myself, but boast in the great grace of God towards me, then take it up with Him Who works in me both to will & to do His good pleasure.
His good pleasure is that He is glorified, and i am humbled, loving justice and mercy.

will you now accuse me again of loving sin because i have lifted up His name instead of boasting in my self-righteousness of works?
is that what you call "perfection" ?
ah! so alien to me. perhaps i have very much to learn from you, o magnified Teacher.

 

[post]

1 Peter 2: Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient,

disobedient to what?
to this command:

And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ
(1 John 3:23)
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the opposite of belief is unbelief.
no twisting; it is clear.

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btw o great and knowledgeable Bible Teacher ((sic)) to whom nothing can be added, the word "disobedient" in your cherry-picked translation of 1 Peter 2:7 is this:

apisteó: to disbelieve, be faithless
Original Word: ἀπιστέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: apisteó
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-is-teh'-o)
Definition: to disbelieve, be faithless
Usage: I am unfaithful, disbelieve, refuse belief, prove false.

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do you lead your disciples astray? prithee not!
or do you indeed study to show yourself approved, a skilled worker, who serves before kings?

the opposite of belief is unbelief.
may you increase in knowledge of the truth, amen

 

[post]

I'm a Bible teacher.

Bible Teacher

as for me i am no teacher
no such claim on my lips

i am a worm, and not a man
surely more brutish than any man, and have not the understanding of a man

may i at least be granted to be an earworm to those to whom it is given to hear
an instrument

 

[1stCenturyLady]

If you don't baptize in the name of Jesus you are doomed to stand before God without remission of sins as Peter would tell you concerning Acts 2:38.

You would have been considered an outcast by Peter and the 3000 at Pentecost.

What a terrible thought.

I guess your belief system tells you you can get away with it, huh?

I'm curious if you believe anything else?

 

[Phoneman777]

More nonsense from Rich R. Now notice this verse carefully:

Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. (1 Cor 12:4)
Διαιρέσεις δὲ χαρισμάτων* εἰσίν τὸ δὲ αὐτὸ πνεῦμα·

*Strong's Concordance
charisma: a gift of grace, a free gift
Original Word: χάρισμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: charisma
Phonetic Spelling: (khar'-is-mah)
Definition: a gift of grace, a free gift
Usage: a gift of grace, an undeserved favor.

In the context of the above verse and the term "gifts" we find this in verse 10: To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

That word "tongues" should have been "languages" since only foreign languages need interpretation. So the SPIRITUAL GIFT of tongues is the ability to speak a foreign language supernaturally -- never having learned it normally. See Acts 2.

Yes, that's all it is.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

confessing my own infinite imperfection as compared to Christ

There you go. Pray that. That is exactly what I did 45 years ago. Except I believed that God could be righteous where I couldn't, and asked Him to intervene. Little did I know that He would engulf me with His Spirit and remove all desire to sin out of my body. I was free. So I know I've been born again, because I had a front row seat in my case. I don't know why your sin nature has not been removed and you are still honestly comparing yourself with Jesus and coming up short. So keep asking. What comes to mind is knowing the truth that sets us free. Read John 8:34-36 (32 says the truth shall set you free). Hope that will help.