Post believes Acts 2:38 is the Law and was done away?
Nuts.
However, the RCC in the 4th century did away with Acts 2:38, and all of her protesting fellow daughters followed suit.
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Nuts.
However, the RCC in the 4th century did away with Acts 2:38, and all of her protesting fellow daughters followed suit.
how about ask post what post believes?
post believes Romans 6-8. a dead man is not accountable to the law. Colossians 3:3 -- i have died and my life is hid in Christ, like an arrow in His quiver, Isaiah 49:2. He holds me; He is faithful and His aim is true. i put my trust in Him, and i will never be ashamed.
the immediate accusations i receive, that because i openly declare that i trust fully in Him, i am necessarily seeking to excuse sin, love wickedness, and am disobedient -- these things are slanderous false charges.
i am merely lifting up Jesus Christ as the sole means of my salvation, the Author and Finisher of my faith.
amigo de christo
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Ps my entire job is to simply trust in HE who inspired the truth and IS the truth .
The last time i checked , the carnal wisdom mind cannot understand the things of GOD .
Last time i checked . You aint gonna learn the truth in said bible by trying to go at it through the understanding of the carnal mind
no matter how wise that mind was and is . But allow me to point us to THE ONE WHO can GIVE US the understanding
OF what HE INSPIRED . Hello post , let me introduce you to the HOLY GHOST now lets learn our bibles through HIM .
amigo de christo
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Me thinks most folks dont know what it means to be dead , let alone what they are to be DEAD TOO .
So let us just say it , TO SIN . ARE YOU DEAD TO THAT or do you as many hate some sin and yet support some sin .
That other poster said that you do not believe in Acts 2:38 and it is done away per the law. It was according to the other poster speaking of you.
Now, is this true?
amigo de christo
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Allow me to butt in and answer this simple question . IF JESUS and the early CHURCH said DO , THEN DO . PRETTY SIMPLE HUH .
amigo de christo
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WELL THIS IS SPOT ON RIGHT . YES INDEED .
where do you get that from the text?
it can only be verse 13 -- "sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful" this is past tense, then everything that follows is present tense. he says one thing about the past, what the work of the law in a person is, and then goes on describing his present. if he were continuing to describe the past, the text would continue in past tense.
exegesis is not about figuring out how to make the text say what we think it ought to say. it is about figuring out what the text is actually saying - no matter how surprising it may be
i don't know how Acts 2:38 was associated with this. i have not mentioned baptism except that we are baptized into His death ((Romans 6)) and by this means we are set free from the condemnation of the law ((Romans 7)). if i am presenting Paul's argument that we are not under the law by virtue of our having died with Him, and this through baptism into Him, then i am clearly not saying water baptism is "taken away" -- if that is what she meant to say i believe, she is misunderstanding me.
it's merely the fact of what my hand finds to do, which she inquired about.
i'm not boasting about it & i don't mean that it gives me any advantage -- i commented that my whole job is to objectively identify and relate the truth because i rejoice in that; i have had many vocations and this one is honorable. i thank God that what i do glorifies Him, because He is the Truth, and my earthly occupation is literally to seek out & testify of what is true -- likewise my spiritual occupation; to seek to know Him, and to give also to others the knowledge of Him that He grants me.
i think that's pretty cool.
1stCenturyLady
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Post, I like that you can calculate, but you are not obeying Logic 101. Context.
You are rightly saying that sin is in the flesh. But you do not even consider Romans 8:9. We are NOT IN THE FLESH. Why? The difference between the time of the Law, Romans 7:14-25 and Jesus Romans 8:9 (8:1-9) is The Spirit. The Spirit is supernatural, post, and it is the reason/logic that we are not in the flesh any longer, meaning we are free from sin. The context of Romans 14-25 is verse 5 (the flesh is past tense now.)
You may be great with numbers and a balance sheet, but I'm the winner when it comes to understanding logic and plain English. Romans 8:8-9
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Let me remind you -
Romans 5:13
To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone's account where there is no law.
In Christ there is no condemnation for me, because i live by the Spirit having died to the flesh. Having died, i am not under the law, which has no jurisdiction over me any longer. There being no law tho does not mean that sin isn't present: it means it isn't charged; it is forgiven.
We can't dismiss the actual present-tense text of Romans 7 any more than we can ignore Romans 5:13 or pretend Romans 8:23 don't say what it says. All these things fit together coherently, but they do not fit with your sinless perfectionism.
All the data is relevant
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1stCenturyLady
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Look at Romans 7:5 and tell me by that one scripture whether we are LOGICALLY in the flesh now or not. What does it mean to you?
I'm focusing on you because I like you. I've always loved geniuses, because I am one, and so are my best friends. But don't let your doctrines hinder your intellect. Logically, if it points to a time when Christians were in the flesh, then what are they NOW? Still in the flesh, or something else? Compare that with Romans 8:8-9. Now Jesus is on the scene. And because of Him, His Spirit! Do you really believe if no one in the flesh can please God (8), that Jesus would leave His own in the flesh and just not condemn you for sins, when SIN is what separated us from God!!! No, He came to free us from sin! 1 John 3:5. If as you said He came to free us from condemnation, so when we sin God can show mercy? Then Satan wins!
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1stCenturyLady
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I just noticed a stumbling block of yours. You believe our bodies is what Paul is calling our "flesh." No Paul is calling our old sinful nature, "the flesh," not our bodies. Our body can't sin by itself. Our nature is the puppeteer, either making our body do evil or good.
By not being in the old carnal nature, 2 Peter 1:4, we are in the Spirit and we can thereby WALK in the Spirit and not in the flesh.
As previously discussed, but clearly not yet stated enough times to get through to you, it means i am not under law, and therefore under no condemnation. It does not mean i am without sin (Romans 5) - if, as you, i were to say so, i would make both myself and God a liar, and be as Satan saying "I will be like the Most High'
This has been repeated to you several times but appears to be beyond the grasp of your understanding, oh most noble and learned 'Bible Teacher' of supreme wisdom and unapproachable knowledge, who surely doesn't make twice-disciples of hell by her misstatements.
Do you imagine Enoch vainly boasted to be equal to God, and that is why God walked with him?
He opposes the proud!
i instead imagine him a very humble and honest man - and that God walked with him because he daily confessed the truth in humility, loving mercy and justice.
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quietthinker
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If you want to know if you're still in the flesh, self diagnoses is a poor method because “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it? Jeremiah 17:9-10
That is according to Jeremiah but if you doubt him, ask the friends you trust about yourself.....they'll set you straight in a jiffy......it'll save you a lot of bs.
That is according to Jeremiah but if you doubt him, ask the friends you trust about yourself.....they'll set you straight in a jiffy......it'll save you a lot of bs.
1stCenturyLady
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Romans chapters one through eight are a whole teaching.
Chapter five out of context of the whole shows you that before the law sin was committed but not held against mankind.
When the law came, now sin committed held us accountable.
What is the common denominator? SIN WAS COMMITTED. But Paul was ready for someone like you. Look at the next chapter
Romans 6:
What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?
Sin still leads to death.
So how did Jesus solve this problem of sin in us. He TOOK SIN AWAY. 1 John 5:5.
I see you still couldn't look and concentrate of Romans 7:5, Oy vey!
1stCenturyLady
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THE FLESH is not our body! OUR FLESH is what is born again!!!! Our SPIRIT AND SOUL. They DIED AND RESURRECTED and are now immortal, and instead of sinful became righteous. ALL THAT IS LEFT TO DIE IS OUR BODY!!! Then it shall be changed ALSO and become immortal. That is what Romans 8:23 MEANS!
WE ARE NOT IN THE FLESH, BUT IN THE SPIRIT. Romans 8:9
It is simple if you stop thinking you know it all AND LISTEN.
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