Won't try to contradict that verse. But you seem to have forgotten, that one God, the Father, had a Son. And not once have any of you attempted to identify who that Son was before the incarnation. Except Jane.
That is because the Bible itself places Jesus as "the Logos" at the "beginning" "with God". But don't we have to ask...."the beginning" of what?
The Eternal Creator had no beginning, but Jesus apparently did. In his pre-human existence he was always the "Logos"...God's spokesman.
We see him in his visit to Abraham where three angels appeared to God's aging servant, to bring an important message concerning the child that he and his wife would have in their old age. One of the angels spoke as "Jehovah"......the other two went on to rescue Lot and his family before God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.
When Moses was called to action in liberating God's people from Egyptian slavery, an angel appeared in a burning bush, and spoke to Moses as "Jehovah". Again I believe this was the pre-human Jesus who then went on to have an important role in guiding the Israelites through the wilderness.
The Logos has always represented Jehovah to his human servants, both before and after his time on earth.
Some say he didn't exist before the incarnation, but have to deny all the scriptures that declare Jesus as Creator.
Not once is Jesus called the Creator. He was the
agency "through whom" creation came about. Do you understand agency?
Colossians 1:15-17...
"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation: 16 for by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominions, or rulers, or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together." (NASB)
Revelation 3:14...Jesus said of himself.....
"These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God". (NKJV)
Others like Jane, say he was an angel.
Not true, he is not just an angel but "the son of God" which is what he called himself.....he is "firstborn" and he has many "brothers". We believe that he is the Archangel Michael because only he and Jesus are spoken of as commanding the heavenly forces.
The "sons of God" are not the same as God's "firstborn" because he is truly unique. He is the first and only direct creation of his God and Father.
All other things, including the legions of angels were all brought into existence by the son, using the same power that he used when he was on earth....provided by his Father at his baptism.
He has no power of his own.....it all came from his God, of whom he is a "servant". (Acts 4:27) God cannot be his own servant.
John 5:19, 30...
"Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.. . . . .I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me."..... The son could not do a single thing of his own initiative.
But none of you... Not one... Is willing to admit what the scripture actually says... That God sent His only begotten Son.
Yes his
SON.....but being God's son does not make him God....this is where you fall into a huge hole. Nowhere does God's word say that Jesus is Almighty God, equal to his God and Father, or a third person in a trinity...the Bible has no trinity...it never did. When the Bible was written, the trinity was a pagan concept that came to be woven into the counterfeit form of the Christian faith that Jesus warned us about....what is amazing to me is that no one acknowledges that this actually took place.....it is plainly evident in the confused and divided blood-stained mess that is Christendom....does no one see it?