What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

[farouk]

He is the Eternal Logos, God Himself who loved us and gave Himself for us by lowering Himself a little lower that the angels in the form of man to redeem us from our sin.

He was with the Father in all His Glory before the foundation of the world. Peter, James and John witnessed a glimpse of that Glory at the Mt. of Transfiguration. He is indeed what Isaiah said He is, The Almighty God.

This is what no one can explain, three distinct persons are one God. It is not just in essence that they are one God.

The Father, Christ, and the Holy Spirit are one Almighty God in three distinct persons.

God in Three Persons is deeply present in Scripture.............

 

[Matthias]

God in one person is presented in scripture.

 

[Matthias]

What "beginning" does an eternal God have?

A beginningless beginning.

 

[Wrangler]

But none of you... Not one... Is willing to admit what the scripture actually says... That God sent His only begotten Son.

Untrue. It's just that we don't infer from it what you want.

It implies the existence of other children. Also, Scripture is not clear that Jesus existed before he was born. If he did exist, there is just as good of suggestive verses that we do existed before we were born. So, even if Jesus pre-existed his birth, it does not mean that he is necessarily God. As you said, as no one disagrees with, Jesus is the son of god. Hunter is the son of Joe. Doesn't make him POTUS.

Regarding the idea that Jesus is the child of God, trinitarians do not explain how that is different from us being children of God. Colossians 3:12 points out that we too are chosen by God (as Acts 17:31 emphasizes that God selected this man) . John 1:12 says that we too are sons and daughters of God. So, while Jesus was the only son of God, as all firstborns are, he is no longer the only son of God. This is the theological inheritance the Bible speaks of. Jesus is one of ‘us’ (teaching us to pray to God as a brother to our father), not one of ‘them’ (pray to me or to F, S & HS). Jesus remains the only child of God resurrected into a glorified body.

 

[Wrangler]

Your and Galileo's opinions do not overrule the Christian Bible.

No but it does overrule imposing trinitarian interpretation of unitarian text.

 

[Peterlag]

You do not graduate from hearing the word of God.

No more than you graduate from eating food.

To compare the 2 is a false balance. I need to eat everyday. I don't need to learn the same thing everyday.

 

[Peterlag]

Not at all.

It just reinforces the Spirit and keeps the flesh dead.

And to think that one can stop reading because he thinks he knows it all is prideful. You may have some recollection of general things in the scripture, but perhaps some details here and there have escaped you unawares.

The Spirit needs the word of God for nourishment.

Feed it.

Get back to reading and hearing.

The spirit of Christ is completely complete lacking nothing. It does not need reinforcements or nourishment's.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

The spirit of Christ is completely complete lacking nothing. It does not need reinforcements or nourishment's.

What spirit is telling you this garbage?

Christ himself said:

“It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.” (Luke 4:4)

So don’t be deceived by this spirit-only nonsense:

“…but try the spirits whether they are of God” (1 John 4:1)

You can only try them by the word of truth!

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

What "beginning" does an eternal God have?

Since it's his word I suggest you ask him.

 

[Peterlag]

What spirit is telling you this garbage?

Christ himself said:

“It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.” (Luke 4:4)

So don’t be deceived by this spirit-only nonsense:

“…but try the spirits whether they are of God” (1 John 4:1)

You can only try them by the word of truth!

Do you have a verse that says the spirit of God needs your help to be stronger? Just 1 verse in the New Testament that started after Acts chapter 2 when the Spirit of Christ was first given to the Christian.

 

[Mr E]

Won't try to contradict that verse. But you seem to have forgotten, that one God, the Father, had a Son. And not once have any of you attempted to identify who that Son was before the incarnation. Except Jane. Some say he didn't exist before the incarnation, but have to deny all the scriptures that declare Jesus as Creator. Others like Jane, say he was an angel. But none of you... Not one... Is willing to admit what the scripture actually says... That God sent His only begotten Son.

I don't think that anyone disputes that the one God-- The Father/God had a son. I think we all agree that God sent His son out of love for the world, just as scripture tells us. It's the nature of the son that folks disagree on. I'm telling you that the son, is of the same nature as the Father. The Father is spirit, the son that was sent therefore is also spirit. He's not flesh. He's not some sort of weird half-breed half-man, half-god where the Holy Spirit impregnated a human woman who then gave birth to this hybrid being in a category all of it's own. Scripture IS clear-- spirit gives birth to spirit, flesh gives birth to flesh and the two are different. God sent His son-- spirit to the world. And that spirit is what gives us Life.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Do you have a verse

Just 1 verse in the New Testament that started after Acts chapter 2 when the Spirit of Christ was first given to the Christian.

“Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine. Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery. Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all. Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.” (1 Timothy 4:13-16)

 

[Mr E]

This has been a wonderful thread. I appreciate all of the dialogue and discussion and for the most part, the willingness to hear one another out.

If you could summarize-- what do you think are the most important concepts that have come up in the discussion?

My list would be-

1. The nature of God vs the nature of man.
2. The nature of God- Trinity construct vs the Unitarian perspective
3. The nature of the Trinity itself
4. The creation narrative and pre-creation existence
5. What it means to be anointed- Christ
6. The person of Jesus

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Do you have a verse that says the spirit of God needs your help to be stronger?

“For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.” (Hebrews 5:12-14)

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

To compare the 2 is a false balance. I need to eat everyday. I don't need to learn the same thing everyday.

Pride and braggadocio are sins you repeat constantly.

What you've claimed to know about the Bible isn't sustained by your posts proving how deeply proudly, ignorant you are of it.

To boast you know more than the rest of us, then post in condescending remarks toward those whom you do not respect is evidence you learned nothing from the word.

As does repeatedly parroting the falsehood there is no verse showing God's divinity.

I was looking at your name and I wonder,given your deplorable behavior that lacks grace, if its last three letters are meant as an acronym.

Peter capitalized i a g.
''I am god''?
You certainly post as if you think you know God's words better than anyone. But it's only your thoughts. When you prove nothing.

There was another member that claimed they were the apostle Paul returned. I wonder.

You also posted at Worthy Forum under that name until asked to depart. And you have a blog under the name one can only read if registered.

You're a busy boy.
People who know scripture prove it. You never do. Condescension isn't proof you know God and his word.

It is proof you do not.

 

[TLHKAJ]

What "beginning" does an eternal God have?

Scripture doesn't say that the Word has a beginning. It says that He was there in the beginning. The beginning of what? The beginning of creation.

John 1:3-5
[3]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[4]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[5]And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Genesis 1:1-3
[1]In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[2]And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
[3]And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. We have shared those scriptures dozens of times here. Here is another verse related to that....

Hebrews 12:2
[2]Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

 

[Charlie24]

Many years ago I heard an evangelist who presented the Trinity in construction terms.

He said the Father is the owner of all things, the Son is the architect/creator of all things, and the Holy Spirit is the contractor that actually made all things from these plans. Together they are One Almighty God who created and sustain the universe.

 

[Phoneman777]

I have long ago grown up in the Scriptures. How can I go back to high school and pretend that I have not put the entire Bible together so as to be able to understand it?

Alright, I have to ask if you've ever been acquainted with Hebrew Chiasms? If not, I can almost guarantee you wrongly interpret 1 Thessalonians 4:14 KJV to mean "Jesus will bring back to Earth with Him the dead saints that went there to Him when they died" - and interpretation which violates the chiasm and generates Scriptural contradiction.

 

[Peterlag]

Alright, I have to ask if you've ever been acquainted with Hebrew Chiasms? If not, I can almost guarantee you wrongly interpret 1 Thessalonians 4:14 KJV to mean "Jesus will bring back to Earth with Him the dead saints that went there to Him when they died" - and interpretation which violates the chiasm and generates Scriptural contradiction.

I believe the dead in Christ will be raised from the dead. What gets up I have been asking since I was 20 years old. I could not care less where they go after they are up. I'm all ears if you know what gets up.

 

[Peterlag]

Pride and braggadocio are sins you repeat constantly.

What you've claimed to know about the Bible isn't sustained by your posts proving how deeply proudly, ignorant you are of it.

To boast you know more than the rest of us, then post in condescending remarks toward those whom you do not respect is evidence you learned nothing from the word.

As does repeatedly parroting the falsehood there is no verse showing God's divinity.

I was looking at your name and I wonder,given your deplorable behavior that lacks grace, if its last three letters are meant as an acronym.

Peter capitalized i a g.
''I am god''?
You certainly post as if you think you know God's words better than anyone. But it's only your thoughts. When you prove nothing.

There was another member that claimed they were the apostle Paul returned. I wonder.

You also posted at Worthy Forum under that name until asked to depart. And you have a blog under the name one can only read if registered.

You're a busy boy.
People who know scripture prove it. You never do. Condescension isn't proof you know God and his word.

It is proof you do not.

I'm only here to help. Worthy deleted me because they refused my help. And by the way, what blog do I have? Can you give me the link because I did not know I had a blog or that anyone had to register to see anything of mine.