homosexuality and ethics

[amigo de christo]

So all them Christians pre year 2000 were wrong on Gay issues, if one is to believe nowadays what the Church has totally embraced and has so many Nazi like pushing that everyone must conform to the image of the Homosexual as the height of excellence or else ! be condemned by this new Age !
Is it just some stupid Trendy new age fad ? among the majority ? That is orchestrated by Satanist !

I always was of the notion that such people had a problem and to mindful of such Sin is depravity it's self ! One would not tolerate the Sin but would under Grace hold regards the sinner due, but not feed such Sin regardless. any such talk or actions would not be invited. as if one aspired to such muck one would be cast out. not invited ! but nowadays they are haled as gods ! to be idolise above all or else the god of Malice comes alive.
One will be set upon by the Malice gods for calling out Sin nowadays.

Bible says don't use liberty as an occasion for sensuality. but love your neighbour as yourself ? So would we let one be lead astray, without any regard in regards to the abuse they demand to partake in ? but do they show any regard to others ? No ! non at all. They make me feel Ill !

People are being conditioned in how to think ! Just like Nazi Germany and Russia was played ! for fools. The ones at the top directing all such propaganda were laughing and saying look the Jews are right ! the Goyim are in fact just dumb cattle to the slaughter. Why ? because they do not serve Christ Jesus, they are not Saved but slaves to this world as Jesus pointed out. worthless to God in fact because they do not bear fruit ! so they are not worthy of the Kingdom of God !
See Jews can not enter, Fags can not enter, and their is a list of all who can not enter in fact, because such are not worthy in fact.

Real religious people of abiding faith like Islam and Jews kill Gays on sight in fact because they are religious ! but they do not posses Grace !
Grace is a huge difference with worthy Christians, we do not kill or harm but do not embrace Sin at all !
Fact is that their are no Gays who are truly born again, for if they were truly born again they would not be so ignorant to be Gay or support such stupid depravity of Sin.

Any Priest who supports propping up Gays is of Satan and of anyone of such is going to Hell ! we seen such within the RCC hiding child molesters and such for years and all. yet the carnal religious club failed such Children totally out right and they have not changed their spots at all, it's just another tactic being played out now on the cards ! but to the dupes, such shines out like the shining one ! they think such is all Rosie now but nothing has changed, only the game has improved on the side of the molesters in fact. but most are to delusional to understand the reality that's truly at hand. the creep show is better charged now than ever by far. Power has by far has been gained by the creeps in fact. Not the Victim ! the Victim has Buckley's chance.

They are hailed as LOVE gods . THAT IS the problem . Those who defend certain sins today , are hailed by many churches
as being agents of LOVE . WHEN IN TRUTH they are agents of darkness .
EVEN IF ONE does not agree with a sin , YET DEFEND those who do so , are as guilty as those committing the sin .
THEY are guilty of destroying the church , they help not to keep the church safe and they sure as heck
do not help the one in sin . SIN MUST BE EXPOSED within the CHURCH . IT HAS TO BE and IT HAS to be corrected or else
the error will beget only more error , the leaven will beget only more leaven till the whole lump is consumed by the leaven .
Folks think me a monster , a hater , a devil and a anti christ . BUT I DO that which is best for the peoples . POINTING THEM
back to JESUS , back to the biblical pattern THEY SET FOR US . But the more i do love the less i be loved .
I have become the an enemy to even those i loved most . I have become known as an enemy and a hater
by even those i loved most and desired only their good . WE CANNOT cease to warn against sin within the church .
IF WE DO we are partakers of the sin which will destroy the very church and people we claim to love . LOVE WONT DO THAT .
GOD dont do that . JESUS NEVER DID that , the apostels never did that .
THEY never overlooked sin within the church for the sake of fellowship . THAT IS a reciped sent by satan
and its a recipe that many churches now cook by and feed the flocks by . ITS GONNA DESTROY THEM ALL .
I WONT stand for it , I AM GONNA EXPOSE IT no matter the cost to me . PEROID . PEROID means END OF DISCUSSION
it means I WILL NOT be swayed one step from the path i am on in CHRIST . Warn the peoples against false doctrine
warn them against sin and warn them against wolves that teach contrary to CHRIST and the apostels .

 

[amigo de christo]

I confess, I always tend to feel a little sad when somone sets me to 'ignore'. Tempered, of course, by the joy of victory. So, anyway, I write this for others. Prejudice is generally thought to be 'a bad thing'. The definition of prejudice is to hold negative thoughts about a person, or group of people, without reason. By failing to engage with me on this topic, you have demonstrated you have no reason for your negative thoughts. This leads me to think the Bible guilty of prejudice, and as are many today, who think that because the Bible says so, regardless of lack of any justification, it must be right.

Best wishes, 2RM.

Be on gaurd that one is not being PREDJUDICE against the TRUTH OF GOD . DONT FORGET GOD , DONT FORGET CHRIST
DONT FORGET the pattern CHRIST SET and later the apostels set . IT ALL WARNED against SIN
IT always corrected those in error . STOP letting the carnal mind confuse you so as you believe
that to warn against those in sin and sin is being prejudice , LEST YE BE FOUND PREDUJICE against GOD
against CHRIST and the truth the apostels left us . ITS VERY clear your infected big time with the carnal reasonings of men .
I come only to help you and remind you and to tell you , OPEN BIBLE and start learning that pattern .

 

[amigo de christo]

The churches have fallen for the lie .
But i , and others , have come to expose the lie and to point peoples back into bibles where they can learn and grow .
Todays mantra is , that those who accept sin , honor certain sins , are hailed as love gods and as agents of love
WHILE the few who do all to warn and correct the error , ARE HAILED AS HATERS and agents of hate .
WE HAVE US A SERIOUS PROBLEM GOING ON FOLKS . BIBLES UP and learn the truth , the pattern they set
BEFORE ITS TOO LATE .

 

[JohnPaul]

The churches have fallen for the lie .
But i , and others , have come to expose the lie and to point peoples back into bibles where they can learn and grow .
Todays mantra is , that those who accept sin , honor certain sins , are hailed as love gods and as agents of love
WHILE the few who do all to warn and correct the error , ARE HAILED AS HATERS and agents of hate .
WE HAVE US A SERIOUS PROBLEM GOING ON FOLKS . BIBLES UP and learn the truth , the pattern they set
BEFORE ITS TOO LATE .

I agree with you 110% and am with you in exposing the lies and those that think they are doing Christ’s work by falsely pushing this acceptance garbage and love the sinner and not the sin, you’d have to put a gun to my head and wind up shooting me because I will refuse and never go against God’s law or word.

 

[amigo de christo]

I agree with you 110% and am with you in exposing the lies and those that think they are doing Christ’s work by falsely pushing this acceptance garbage and love the sinner and not the sin, you’d have to put a gun to my head and wind up shooting me because I will refuse and never go against God’s law or word.

many folks would call that legalism . And say YOU DONT KNOW LOVE .
AND YET its they who dont know love . What part of love TRANSGRESSSES the law .
CAUSE THE LAST TIME I CHECKED LOVE FULLFILLS THE LAW . THEY FOLLOWING ANOTHER LOVEY
ANOTHER god and another jesus . SATAN ALWAYS DESIRED THE WORSHIP and to be as GOD
and now he has many under him and this image of a love god which in truth , IS SATAN . Folks had BETTER OPEN BIBLES NOW
and FAST cause many are not gonna make it .

 

[Marvelloustime]

many folks would call that legalism . And say YOU DONT KNOW LOVE .
AND YET its they who dont know love . What part of love TRANSGRESSSES the law .
CAUSE THE LAST TIME I CHECKED LOVE FULLFILLS THE LAW . THEY FOLLOWING ANOTHER LOVEY
ANOTHER god and another jesus . SATAN ALWAYS DESIRED THE WORSHIP and to be as GOD
and now he has many under him and this image of a love god which in truth , IS SATAN . Folks had BETTER OPEN BIBLES NOW
and FAST cause many are not gonna make it .

Here, my brother in Christ, @amigo de christo, explains the definition of God’s love, (charity in our KJV bibles).

“Let us understand the love that comes From God .
For GOD is love and love comes from God .
If we have not charity then it profits us nothing .
So let us examine well for ourselves what charity truly is according to God . According to the truth .
For if we have not charity , i warn us all it profits us nothing .
Many can claim to KNOW GOD , yet if they have not charity , they lie and walk in darkness .
So its very important that we truly do have charity .
For our source i shall take us to the bible . To show us what the true version of charity truly is and what it entails .
If i came hollering GOD is love yet i shot up a building , would anyone believe that i knew GOD or truly had love . OF course not . Murder is evil . its not love .
Now let us examine the charity that the true church knew and taught .
Open bibles to corinthians chapter thirteen .
As we see paul is busy writing to the corinthain church to express the dire importance of having charity .
Let us examine a few things .
IF we read , we notice that paul says that even if i gave my BODY to be burned and had not Charity it would profit me nothing .
SO having CHARITY is a dire needful thing . Lets look again at what He says .
Even if i gave ALL OF MY GOODS TO THE POOR , yet had not charity it profits me nothing .
So lets examine this as well . EVEN IF gave all of my goods , ALL of them , YET had not charity it profits me nothing .
Notice he said ALL of my goods . SO is it possible to be a giver to the poor and yet not have charity . YES IT IS . I was in boyscouts once
we were well taught to do good to people , to give to others . YET i was a pagan lost in my sin who knew not GOD and had not charity .
YES one can have charitable acts and yet STILL not have charity .
SO we better dig in real deep to what CHARITY TRULY IS . CAUSE If we do not have it , WE DO NOT KNOW GOD .
Ever wonder why JESUS said , that many will say , BUT LORD didnt we do many good works in your name , YET HE STILL says I NEVER KNEW YOU ...................YE who worked what .......................INQUITY .
SO lets continue on . Paul says very clear what CHARITY IS and what it IS NOT .
Charity LOVETH TRUTH . TRUTH . IT REJOICES IN TRUTH . TRUTH .
Charity does NOT , however REJOICE IN INQUITY . As we see that is the reason JESUS said DEPART FROM ME , YE WHO WORKED INQUITY .
But let us continue . It goes on to say that charity does not behave itself UNSEEMINGLY .
SO if we behave unseeminly ITS PROOF we do NOT have charity .
NOW GOD IS LOVE . WE better KNOW that we have HIS LOVE , HIS CHARITY UPON OUR HEARTS .
FOR if we love not , IF we have not charity , IT wont matter if i gave all my goods to the poor . IT PROFITS ME NOTHING .
SO let us examine to see what things are unseemingly .
For that i invite us to read romans chapter one .
Notice it says back biters , haters of God
Let me quoate something .
And likewise even the men gave up the natural use of the woman and burned in their lust one towards another
Working that WHICH IS UNSEEMINGLY .
OH dear . That means it wont matter if folks gave all the goods they had to the poor , IF THEY behave UNSEEMINGLY , THEY AINT GOT CHARITY .
Now let that sink in . I LOVE FOLKS . ITS WHY I WARN any who calls themselves christain to repent of inquity .
I mean if we do not have charity , WE DOOMED . WE are not of GOD . And do remember that charity REJOICES ONLY IN THE TRUTH
NOT in inquity . IT DONT HONOR SIN . IT DONT call sin good . It dont allow sin upon its brothers . IT warns folks .
I allow my near and dear sister to post the verses to all from corinithains chapter thirteen and romans chapter one .
I DO THIS OUT OF LOVE FOR ALL PEOPLES . EVEN THOSE WHO HATE ME MOST . MY DESIRE IS LIFE FOR EVEN THOSE WHO WISH MY DEATH .
WE better KNOW we have CHARITY . OR WE DONT KNOW GOD . Its just another jesus and another gosple and that cannot save . “


“For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:26-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13:1-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[amigo de christo]

its LORD PRAISING TIME in the building .

 

[amigo de christo]

SING to the GLORIOUS KING .

 

[amigo de christo]

 

[2ndRateMind]

I'm done with you and your anti-Christian acceptance of those who do not repent and abstain from their depraved ways such as homosexuals, I have nothing more to say to you or anyone else who believes in this love the sinner not the sin garbage. You are now on ignore, not you or anyone will ever change my way of thinking, I believe in God Almighty and his only begotten Son, Christ, to who these abominations are against God the father and Christ the Son.

You believe in your conceptions of God and Christ. As do we all. I suspect, though, cometh the end of days, you will discover how wrong you have been. Jesus has never been about hatred, only love.

Best wishes, 2RM.

 

[2ndRateMind]

Lest this thread get stale, I want to introduce a wrinkle. That wrinkle being the idea that God is a liberal. He doesn't seem to care over much what we do, provided only that we are prepared to accept the consequences.

Best wishes, 2RM.

 

[Lizbeth]

Unfortunately God has not seen fit to enlighten me with His Will in respect of human sexuality. Until He does, I will continue to assume that, heterosexual or homosexual, He made us how He wants us.

Best wishes, 2RM.

That is so strange. Because He surely HAS enlightened us with His will in the scriptures - both old and new testaments. His laws of righteousness were and are a light in the darkness in an evil pagan world that has completely lost its way. It sounds like you don't know the Lord or His word at all. What seemeth right to a man leads to death. We need the navigational instruments of God's word.....if we rely on our own senses, carnal mind and what seemeth right to us we'll crash the plane for sure.

God didn't make us to sin. If a bank robber robs banks, does that mean it is God's will, or that is how He made that man? Or if someone commits adultery does that mean it's God's will and that's how He made them? Or someone terrorizing and beating their wife? This is very strange reasoning going on here. The Lord is everywhere calling for everyone to repent of their sins. Even God's word says "woe to those who say, why did you make me thus"?...essentially blaming God for their sins, accusing Him of making them that way.

The Lord doesn't discriminate...He doesn't want anyone to perish so He calls everyone everywhere to stop sinning, DENY THEMSELVES, take up their cross and follow Him. Heterosexual or Homosexual alike. Bank robbers, adulterers, murderers, idolators, fornicators, abusers, liars, witches and mediums, etc....EVERYONE is called to repent without partiality.

Eph 5:14

Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

Psa 119:130

The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.

 

[Lizbeth]

Why is homosexuality a sin?

Best wishes, 2RM

Because it's demonic. Even if it doesn't "seemeth" so to you or anyone. The devil makes captives to do his will. And they actually are harming each other...it's a form of abuse. Aids, monkeypox, rectal repair surgeries. No children produced...they are being robbed of a normal life. And often one is emotionally controlling and manipulating the other....not healthy relationships emotionally. Not that I don't have compassion....life often conspires to tempt people into unhealthy 'coping' mechanisms etc. But Jesus and obeying Him is the answer for everyone regardless of their type of sin and circumstances.

 

[Lizbeth]

Lest this thread get stale, I want to introduce a wrinkle. That wrinkle being the idea that God is a liberal. He doesn't seem to care over much what we do, provided only that we are prepared to accept the consequences.

Best wishes, 2RM.

If that were the case He wouldn't have sent His Son to die an excruciating death in order to provide the (only) way of escape from His righteous wrath, for those who are willing. A very high price was paid, because He cares a great deal.

 

[Lizbeth]

sorry, double post

 

[Lizbeth]

Thanks. I have already, and observe that though the Bible makes assertions in respect of homosexuality, it nowhere justifies them. And argument by assertion is no argument at all.

Best wishes, 2RM.

It sure is when it's the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY making the assertion. Who are we little specks of dust temporarily flying around in space, to argue with HIM.

 

[2ndRateMind]

If that were the case He wouldn't have sent His Son to die an excruciating death in order to provide the (only) way of escape from His righteous wrath, for those who are willing. A very high price was paid, because He cares a great deal.

So who is responsible? we, for our inevitable sins, or God, for His Wrath? Lest it be ovelooked, I would remind you the wrath is one of the seven deadly sins.
Best wishes, 2RM.

 

[Lizbeth]

Most had rather sit under men who twist away , explain away the scriptures .
Folks are terrified of this agenda . And they need to feel a false comfort as though they are right
by supporting it .
Now i know some might say but hey wait we dont support homosexuality
we just love the sinner etc etc etc .
IF you wont correct brethren in error , THEN YOU DO SUPPORT IT . Cause turning a blind eye
HAS been the very reason why ITS GROWN and overcome many churches .
THEY are co workers and fellowhelpers , BUT NOT TO GOD , NOT THE SPIRIT
but rather to the agenda of darkness . And now more and more actually DO SUPPORT IT
and so long as churches continue to not correct any sin , THEN more and more churches will become leavened
and will accept it . Todays folks have no idea what it means to purge out the old leaven
they too busy accepting the old leaven and all in the name of so called love , tolerance and unity .
What a recipe for the destruction of the churches . ALL error should have been corrected within the churches .
I mean the early apostels knew that and did so . Today if men do so , THEY get called haters
and non loving and accused of not even knowing the TWO commandments of LOVE THE LORD WITH ALL the heart
and your neighbor as yourself . I got news , HOW can one LOVE GOD with the whole heart
and SIN . We cant love both darkness and light , we cannot love both sin and truth .
ONE is our master , ITS EITHER CHRIST or ITS SIN . But it cannot be both .

Often it's a kind of self-righteousness and pride involved too. Almost as though the devil is trying to essentially accuse God of not being righteous enough.

1Co 5:1-2

It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

 

[Lizbeth]

So who is responsible? we, for our inevitable sins, or God, for His Wrath?
Best wishes, 2RM.

Obviously God hold us to account for our sins. And His wrath is RIGHTEOUS and JUST. The whole world has been under His wrath since the fall in the Garden...that's the reason why there is so much suffering in this world.

But you know, He gives grace to the humble, not to the proud. When we humble ourselves under His mighty hand instead of accusing Him of wrongdoing, in due time He lifts us up.

 

[2ndRateMind]

If that were the case He wouldn't have sent His Son to die an excruciating death in order to provide the (only) way of escape from His righteous wrath, for those who are willing. A very high price was paid, because He cares a great deal.

You do not think then, that in the ordinary way, consequences are a high enough price to pay?

Best wishes, 2RM.