Thoughts on this paper? The overestimation of the uneducated when disagreeing with actual experts.

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I think we can all relax a bit about a global scorching. Whether by man's curtailing of his more polluting habits or by God's providence, the earth will last as long as we need it.

Genesis 8:20-22

20Then Noah built an altar to the Lord, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. 21And the Lord smelled a soothing aroma. Then the Lord said in His heart, “I will never again curse the ground for man’s sake, although the imagination[a] of man’s heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done.

22“While the earth remains,
Seedtime and harvest,
Cold and heat,
Winter and summer,
And day and night
Shall not cease.”
Good point.

I think what's concerning are those who look forward to God killing everyone not like us , so our faith is somehow vindicated as being the only one that is right.
 

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Overconfidence and Opposition to Scientific Consensus - NeuroLogica Blog

Often times you’ll find people who reject the wisdom of experts. They fool themselves into thinking they are wise, but they are fools. Any thoughts?
It doesn't matter.

The so-called experts have been both right and wrong.

There is only One who is right, and numbers do not change that. Biblically speaking, the very notion of the wise and the learned and the masses being the more right, is rather a God-made sting and a joke on those who flaunt.
 

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My objection to this sort of thing...well, many things actually. Is the audacity of some with a mere first or second heaven (worldly) understanding of life, acting like they are too good to be told anything more.

'Cause there are experts, and then there are experts...and it is God who sends the ones we are to hear.
 
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Good point.

I think what's concerning are those who look forward to God killing everyone not like us , so our faith is somehow vindicated as being the only one that is right.


Mmm... I take issue with your assertion that God is going to kill everyone that is not like us. Read correctly, the Bible teaches that after a looong period of trying to convince everyone on the earth that he is a good and providing God who will meet them wherever they are and lift them up out of their condition God is going to pronounce judgement on those recalcitrant enough to refuse offer after offer of salvation. It is not a matter of God killing everyone who is not like us, there is tremendous variety in the Christian household, as you will find as you proceed with your walk. Consider Revelation, where it plainly states that every nation, language and tribe will have a place of glory and honor in his new Kingdom. BUT, God does demand that on a certain fundamental level everyone must be like HIM, placing his desires first and placing the desires of everyone else on the same plane as their own. I know there are some bitter souls hanging out in Church who genuinely want God to wipe out the every part of society that has mocked or rejected them. Treat those Church members as a mission field, because by my lights they do not appear to have tasted the all sufficient love and providence of God and want to take it out of the gut of the Nation. But don't spend too much time with them, because if you are truly under the sway of the God of love they will detect it and TURN on you. Hang with your pastor if you will then, that's my true hearts desire.
 
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It doesn't matter.

The so-called experts have been both right and wrong.

There is only One who is right, and numbers do not change that. Biblically speaking, the very notion of the wise and the learned and the masses being the more right, is rather a God-made sting and a joke on those who flaunt.

My objection to this sort of thing...well, many things actually. Is the audacity of some with a mere first or second heaven (worldly) understanding of life, acting like they are too good to be told anything more.

'Cause there are experts, and then there are experts...and it is God who sends the ones we are to hear.

JE-sus Scott, if you want to learn and practice effective prose, try reading Gibbon.
 

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You actually just reiterated my pov in long form.
Mmm... I take issue with your assertion that God is going to kill everyone that is not like us. Read correctly, the Bible teaches that after a looong period of trying to convince everyone on the earth that he is a good and providing God who will meet them wherever they are and lift them up out of their condition God is going to pronounce judgement on those recalcitrant enough to refuse offer after offer of salvation. It is not a matter of God killing everyone who is not like us, there is tremendous variety in the Christian household, as you will find as you proceed with your walk. Consider Revelation, where it plainly states that every nation, language and tribe will have a place of glory and honor in his new Kingdom. BUT, God does demand that on a certain fundamental level everyone must be like HIM, placing his desires first and placing the desires of everyone else on the same plane as their own. I know there are some bitter souls hanging out in Church who genuinely want God to wipe out the every part of society that has mocked or rejected them. Treat those Church members as a mission field, because by my lights they do not appear to have tasted the all sufficient love and providence of God and want to take it out of the gut of the Nation. But don't spend too much time with them, because if you are truly under the sway of the God of love they will detect it and TURN on you. Hang with your pastor if you will then, that's my true hearts desire.
 

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JE-sus Scott, if you want to learn and practice effective prose, try reading Gibbon.
Now, see, that is the exact issue I was speaking to: The idea that there is a greater authority than God that we should read.

There is not.
 

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Now, see, that is the exact issue I was speaking to: The idea that there is a greater authority than God that we should read.

There is not.

Uh huh. That was the same justification that the early muslims used (which the modern muslims have disavowed) for burning the library of Alexandria to the ground.
 
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Uh huh. That was the same justification that the early muslims used (which the modern muslims have disavowed) for burning the library of Alexandria to the ground.
And each shall receive their due.
 

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True. Christianity hasn't been the bastion of social progress .

The culprits remain a mystery actually. Some say Muslims,others Christians.

Who Destroyed the Great Library of Alexandria?

I followed the link. I does posit three possible culprits for the destruction of the library of Alexandria, and maybe four if you count it's digression on the possibility of societal decay just letting the place disintegrate. The three overtly proposed are pagan Rome, Christian Rome, and the Muslims (again, with my apologies to the current adherents of Islam as well as those of Christianity). The unspoken possibility attendant to all four proposed causal agents is that there may be surviving ancient documents buried under the settlements currently there, especially if they are stored in sealed ceramic vessels. I am of the opinion that this possibility pleads, indeed dictates, the acoustic sampling of the old site to investigate.

p.s. If there are any remaining adherents to the old philosophies of Nerva, my apologies to them as well.

p.p.s. Note to any potential researchers in charge of bringing this ancient knowledge to light. I believe gear based on MRI tech exists that is so sensitive that it can lift discernible text images without opening the containers. I think. It will require an expert to tune, however. Anything on a scroll will probably defeat the current algorithms. Buuut don't be afraid to consult the Pentagon about super high advanced techniques, they just might be able to do it using some of their ASW stuff.
 
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Uh huh. That was the same justification that the early muslims used (which the modern muslims have disavowed) for burning the library of Alexandria to the ground.

In Israel, and in outlying areas,.. in the last 30+ years, Palestinians (Arab Muslims) have been destroying ancient "Christian" sites,= art, architecture, with hammers, power tools, fire, bombs.
You wont find this into in the interational "news media".. but its a fact of the Middle East.
Occasionally you might hear of a Arab Muslim (Palestinian) stabbing an old Jewish woman in the carotid artery, from behind her, as that is how they are taught to sneak up on them, and murder them.
Their Children are taught in Muslim Schools that Jews are the offspring of Pigs and Apes. (fornicating.)
Yeah, that is what very young Arab Muslim Children (Palestinian) are taught to believe....regarding Jews.
Not pretty is it?
Welcome to the Middle East.
 
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I think the corruption introduced to Man by the fall has an endgame, by which time all will have become so corrupt that none will turn to God. I think that the judgments and tribulation before Jesus returns will cut that short by forcing everyone to make their final choice.

Much love!
@marks We thus all need a Divine, gracious intervention which is nothing less that the 'But God...' in Ephesians 2 in order arrest us individually from the ways of this apostate world......
 
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I had just gotten off a phone call with the US Government. The closing of the conversation was a threat to stop a project involving 2,000 of our controls. Though we were the only device working and commuicating with the system. We had a bug in our communications software that locked the system up and stopped everything from working. I called a meeting including all the programming engineers on the project. Oddly, I wasn't there when the engineers arrived in the conference room. My Marketing Secretary advised me when the last engineer walked into the room. I walked in, stopped, closed the door and Locked it ......everyone watched as I sat down. I explained what was taking place. Explained that the band aides they created were not working. Mistake after mistake. The threatened loss of 2,000 controls and the wasted efforts if the project collapsed.
We solved the problem, tested the solution and proceeded to get ten controls ready for shipping, all before lunch. We saved the project ....one engineer asked "What did you plan for dinner?" That, was a room full of experts. Together they put their heads together to come up with a plan, then solve the problem .....at times the experts are the problem. I don't know an "X" from an "O". Bu I do know what works and when it doesn't work. More often than not .....what is lacking is a leader determined to make it right. One year later I called them all into the conference room again ......to award them a special lunch for them all to celebrate the issue of a purchase order for 10,000 controls ....