Our generation will not die before the rapture and the return of Jesus to earth. PTL

[amigo de christo]

And exactly how are you doing these things you say?
You personally.
How are you being prepared to lose all for the Lord?

And just an aside... I can't take you seriously with all the silly capitalisation. It makes you look like a teenager with self image problems. Maybe reserve the caps for serious impact. Not needed in every sentence.

If the captilized letters bother you i can try and not do such a thing .
Now for the answer to your question . HOW am i being prepared to lose all for the LORD . BY SIMPLY TRUSTING IN CHRIST .
Cause he alone will be the one who gives me the strength to endure whatever comes against me .
Just living day by day without worrying over the MORROW but rather TRUSTING IN HE who knows what will occur on the morrow .
LEARNING JESUS CHRIST by reading the bible . MY advice is WE BETTER ALL DO THE SAME . TRUST NOT
in your own abilities to get you through anything , TRUST ONLY IN THE LORD . PEROID .
Peroid means end of discussion cause no man is gonna convince me otherwise . Be encouraged .

 

[David Boyer]

If the captilized letters bother you i can try and not do such a thing .
Now for the answer to your question . HOW am i being prepared to lose all for the LORD . BY SIMPLY TRUSTING IN CHRIST .
Cause he alone will be the one who gives me the strength to endure whatever comes against me .
Just living day by day without worrying over the MORROW but rather TRUSTING IN HE who knows what will occur on the morrow .
LEARNING JESUS CHRIST by reading the bible . MY advice is WE BETTER ALL DO THE SAME . TRUST NOT
in your own abilities to get you through anything , TRUST ONLY IN THE LORD . PEROID .
Peroid means end of discussion cause no man is gonna convince me otherwise . Be encouraged .

Sounds like a "foolish virgin" to me.
I thought we were to be watchful not to be caught unawares.
Are you prepared for your children to turn you over to the authorities for your faith?
Are you prepared for your neighbours to kill you for your faith?
Are you prepared for your pastor to turn you over to the mob?

I'm not asking if you have a basement full of food and water, but where your mental/emotional state is and what you are prepared to endure.
Are you prepared to starve to death without attacking your neighbour who will not share their supplies?
Are you willing to give your loved ones over to the mob to be ripped to death before your eyes?
Have you even thought that these things might be what is possible in your future?

 

[amigo de christo]

Sounds like a "foolish virgin" to me.
I thought we were to be watchful not to be caught unawares.
Are you prepared for your children to turn you over to the authorities for your faith?
Are you prepared for your neighbours to kill you for your faith?
Are you prepared for your pastor to turn you over to the mob?

I'm not asking if you have a basement full of food and water, but where your mental/emotional state is and what you are prepared to endure.
Are you prepared to starve to death without attacking your neighbour who will not share their supplies?
Are you willing to give your loved ones over to the mob to be ripped to death before your eyes?
Have you even thought that these things might be what is possible in your future?

Yes indeed its all about where OUR MINDSET IS . YES INDEED .
YES i am my friend . I am fully prepared to be betrayed by my children , by pastors , by many who even profess to KNOW CHRIST
and yet DONT . YES you are correct its about being prepared in CHRIST . OUR MINDS must TRUST IN HE ALONE .
Be prepared to lose all my friend . YET COUNT ALL LOSS as only gain for CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

Sounds like a "foolish virgin" to me.
I thought we were to be watchful not to be caught unawares.
Are you prepared for your children to turn you over to the authorities for your faith?
Are you prepared for your neighbours to kill you for your faith?
Are you prepared for your pastor to turn you over to the mob?

I'm not asking if you have a basement full of food and water, but where your mental/emotional state is and what you are prepared to endure.
Are you prepared to starve to death without attacking your neighbour who will not share their supplies?
Are you willing to give your loved ones over to the mob to be ripped to death before your eyes?
Have you even thought that these things might be what is possible in your future?

Do violence to no man . IF a man wont share with me , ALL i can do is pray for his soul .
I dont even believe in self defense my friend . IF a man comes to take my life
MAY I ONLY PRAY for HIM and say LORD FORGIVE THEM they know not what they do . TIME TO LEARN JESUS as i keep saying .
What great peace abounds in HIM no matter what tribulations abound against us who love HIM .

 

[David Boyer]

Do violence to no man . IF a man wont share with me , ALL i can do is pray for his soul .
I dont even believe in self defense my friend . IF a man comes to take my life
MAY I ONLY PRAY for HIM and say LORD FORGIVE THEM they know not what they do . TIME TO LEARN JESUS as i keep saying .
What great peace abounds in HIM no matter what tribulations abound against us who love HIM .

Well good. I give it 3 months till you can put that to the test.
Enjoy.

 

[amigo de christo]

Well good. I give it 3 months till you can put that to the test.
Enjoy.

It might be sooner than even that . But as i said , MY PRAYER is to JESUS , FOR HE IN ALONE I WILL HAVE THE STRENGHT TO ENDURE .
TRUST IN JESUS cause by our own means and by our own trust in us , WE WILL SURELY FAIL .
Just a friendly reminder . I dont know how long we have , BUT hard times are upon the lambs and it will get only worse
and worse and worse in this world . BUT when a lamb dies , IT GOES HOME TO THE KING . SO REMEMBER THE HOPE WE HAVE IN CHRIST .

 

[GISMYS_7]

Right... and what are you doing to prepare for Jesus coming at the end of the Tribulation?
Are you one of the wise "virgins" that has prepared extra oil for the long night?
Or are you a "foolish virgin" that has only enough oil to shine while the night is young?

I have no worries AND YOU?????????

 

[David Boyer]

I have no worries AND YOU?????????

Of course I do. That is the silliest question ever.
I am concerned for my kids, wife, self, neighbours, friends.
Will the pain and suffering of the Tribulation be enough to cause some of my loved ones to cave in and take the Mark of the Beast?
Will they see what is coming and be prepared... emotionally, mentally, spiritually... individually, as a community, as a family?

If I had no concerns or worries I would be an evil man. A man with no soul nor conscience.

I know I haven't lead the best life and now I don't know what I could do in the short time left.
Yes I pray and worship and bless God for His work in my life and all that... but I now want to have a better/worthy/honest crown to throw at His feet.

But NO WORRIES.... balderdash.

 

[Timtofly]

Right... but what if you have it wrong? Then what are you doing?
It sounds like you are doing nothing but hoping in a bail out at the last moment.

I know people who will take the mark of the beast because it CAN'T be the mark of the beast because the Church isn't Raptured.
Sounds like a silly backup plan to me.

If you are right, we are already in the tribulation. Guess you are just missing all the fun stuff.

 

[David Boyer]

If you are right, we are already in the tribulation. Guess you are just missing all the fun stuff.

I don't think the Tribulation has started yet.
Please stop misrepresenting my position.
Try asking a question or two before jumping to conclusions.

 

[Timtofly]

I don't think the Tribulation has started yet. Please stop misrepresenting my position.
Try asking a question or two before jumping to conclusions.

You misrepresent your position:

I know people who will take the mark of the beast because it CAN'T be the mark of the beast because the Church isn't Raptured.
Sounds like a silly backup plan to me.

What do you expect to go through then, if not the tribulation?

 

[David Boyer]

You misrepresent your position:



What do you expect to go through then, if not the tribulation?

How have I misrepresented my position?
I expect to go through the tribulation.
When did I say that I don't?

 

[Timtofly]

How have I misrepresented my position?
I expect to go through the tribulation.
When did I say that I don't?

Why do you think the church is here after the Second Coming?

If you have the wrong point in time, how would you know until you missed the Second Coming?

Planning to go through tribulation is not the same as planning to go through the great tribulation. The great tribulation is the time of Jacob's trouble.

Yet no redeemed go through this time. All are taken out at this time. Will you be taken out with the church as one body. Or will you be part of those taken out individually one by one over a several year span?

Revelation itself never times the gatherings. Revelation only speaks of judgment and events that bring torment, death, or both at the same time. It is systematic, not just one moment in time.

Some want to claim a single Second Coming. Some speak of multiple returns. Some think it is different takes on the same return. These however are all stated opinions. Can you really read Revelation, without an opinion?

 

[David Boyer]

Why do you think the church is here after the Second Coming?

If you have the wrong point in time, how would you know until you missed the Second Coming?

Planning to go through tribulation is not the same as planning to go through the great tribulation. The great tribulation is the time of Jacob's trouble.

Yet no redeemed go through this time. All are taken out at this time. Will you be taken out with the church as one body. Or will you be part of those taken out individually one by one over a several year span?

Revelation itself never times the gatherings. Revelation only speaks of judgment and events that bring torment, death, or both at the same time. It is systematic, not just one moment in time.

Some want to claim a single Second Coming. Some speak of multiple returns. Some think it is different takes on the same return. These however are all stated opinions. Can you really read Revelation, without an opinion?

1. I think the church will be here for the Great Tribulation as that is what I read in Revelation.
2. I can't miss the Second Coming... as every eye shall see Him.
3. Same thing in my book in these discussion sites Trib/Great Trib/Jacobs Troubles. Same to me in this discussion.
4. Where does it say "no redeemed go through this time"? Chapter and Verse.
5. I don't follow you.
6. Yes I can read Revelation without opinion. It is called exegesis.

 

[Timtofly]

1. I think the church will be here for the Great Tribulation as that is what I read in Revelation.
2. I can't miss the Second Coming... as every eye shall see Him.
3. Same thing in my book in these discussion sites Trib/Great Trib/Jacobs Troubles. Same to me in this discussion.
4. Where does it say "no redeemed go through this time"? Chapter and Verse.
5. I don't follow you.
6. Yes I can read Revelation without opinion. It is called exegesis.

Because the tribulation of those days started at Pentecost and has been non-stop. That is not Jacob's trouble, that is the church's trouble. Jacob's trouble starts when Jesus is hands on in person.

Matthew 25:31

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:"

Matthew 13:37-39

"He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels."

Since Jesus is on earth gathering a harvest, the church left when Jesus was on the way down. The sheep and goats deal with Jacob's trouble, not the church, as the church is gone and already glorified, when Jesus is sitting on His throne in Jerusalem.

So Jesus and the angels are on earth. When did they arrive? Matthew 24:30 and Revelation 6:12-17. John's symbolism of the stars is the angels coming to earth with Christ. All on earth can see the event and hiding from both God and Lamb.

 

[ScottA]

Our generation will not die before the rapture and the return of Jesus to earth. PT
Jesus named all the signs we will see just before His return
In Matthew 24 Matthew 24: 32 “Now learn the parable from the fig tree: as soon as its branch has become tender and sprouts its leaves, you know that summer is near; 33 so you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. Don't be left behind!

Every generation since Christ could say that and be true.

"Today."

 

[David Boyer]

Because the tribulation of those days started at Pentecost and has been non-stop. That is not Jacob's trouble, that is the church's trouble. Jacob's trouble starts when Jesus is hands on in person.

Matthew 25:31

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:"

Matthew 13:37-39

"He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels."

Since Jesus is on earth gathering a harvest, the church left when Jesus was on the way down. The sheep and goats deal with Jacob's trouble, not the church, as the church is gone and already glorified, when Jesus is sitting on His throne in Jerusalem.

So Jesus and the angels are on earth. When did they arrive? Matthew 24:30 and Revelation 6:12-17. John's symbolism of the stars is the angels coming to earth with Christ. All on earth can see the event and hiding from both God and Lamb.

So where does the Bible say the church has left when Jesus was on the way down?
Where in the Bible is Jesus gathering a harvest? Specifically where in Revelation. And does that expressly say the Jesus is on Earth at that time?
It's not Johns symbolism of stars. It is the vision Jesus shew John. I don't see Christ mentioned in that reference.
So I can't agree with your interpretation of Rev 6:12-17.

 

[Behold]

Has anyone noticed that TIME is speeding up?

Also, the last "sign" that we are to SEE before the RAPTURE... is ... "as in the days of Noah".

What were those days? And why does that matter?
Its because it has taken 2000 yrs, since the Cross was raised for those "days'" to arrive again.
They are here.
We are in the "days of Noah".
What is that? How to understand that?
Well, Noah was in the ARK, and outside the ark were the same depraved ungodly that were also outside LOT's room, who were yelling for Him to "send them out" so that we may KNOW THEM"
Its the same Group.
God burned them in Sodom, and God drowned them, right outside Noah's ark, in the "days of NOAH".

If you look outside, or on your TV, it is infected with HOMOSEXUALITY., "as in the days of NOAH".

Also, Biden Just gave a speech in the UN, that invited the world to come and fight Putin.
Putin just said He will use NUKES if NATO forces, allied with the USA, continue to invest resources into the Ukraine issue.

Today or in the next few days, Donbas, which is the area of contention within the Ukraine, is going to become "RUSSIAN" property, exactly as The Crimea (again) became Russian property as it was originally Russian.
Putin will then be obligated to protect Donbas., and He will.
He will protect it from NATO and the USA, and any other country that wants to send in their Troops, to invite a WORLD WAR.

What is Donbas? Its a large area inside the Ukraine, that is RUSSIAN.
And for the last 8+ years, the AZOV regiments that are Zelenskyy's "NAZI" soldiers have been bombing Donbas and killing thousand of Russians.
The News Media has hidden this, and Biden pretends it "nothing".
Putin went in there to STOP this continuing Donbas Massacre, and to KILL the Nazi part (AZOV) of the Zelensky military.
Also, the Ukraine had allowed the USA/Nato alliance to build air bases in The Ukraine and also BIO Chemical Labs.
Putin went into the Ukraine to STOP that, also.

Here is something you didnt know..
A UN Resolution that was proposed by RUSSIA a couple of years ago, that denies allowing a NAZI Party or similar to exist in the world, was ratified by the UN.
Who voted against it?

1. The Ukraine
2. The USA

China just put itself on "get forces ready for war" aler, after Biden a few days ago announced that the USA will "Protect Taiwan".

Iran, has middle range rockets that can turn Israel into a crater in the Middle east, and they have been trying to create NUKES underground for the last 5 yrs., and noone knows if they have achieved it.

So, while the world is being misled by the Media, the Devil is getting ready to solve WW3, and "bring in the peace" and the "global economic security."
He's here, and he's just waiting for the events that are about to unfold to usher Him into the LEADERSHIP Position.

Soon.
ITs all very soon.

 

[Timtofly]

So where does the Bible say the church has left when Jesus was on the way down?
Where in the Bible is Jesus gathering a harvest? Specifically where in Revelation. And does that expressly say the Jesus is on Earth at that time?
It's not Johns symbolism of stars. It is the vision Jesus shew John. I don't see Christ mentioned in that reference.
So I can't agree with your interpretation of Rev 6:12-17.

You telling me Jesus Christ is not the Lamb?

Paul tells us that at the Second Coming, the church is caught up.

John put it in words what he saw. He saw the angels coming to earth and symbolized the event.

 

[David Boyer]

You telling me Jesus Christ is not the Lamb?

Paul tells us that at the Second Coming, the church is caught up.

John put it in words what he saw. He saw the angels coming to earth and symbolized the event.

The only Lamb referenced is lost humanity's cry against the Lamb. But Jesus isn't doing anything in the passage to gather His Church or whatever the thread was about.
Yes there is one use of the word Lamb... but it is not in reference to the Rapture.
Where does Paul say "at the Second Coming, the church is caught up". (specific timing and rapture reference needed)
John said angels come to earth and that symbolised the Church leaving the earth? How does that work? Those 2 things are not related.
And be careful of symbolism (Rev 22:18+19).
Did John lie about what he saw?
Did Jesus lie to John by what He showed John?
Did the Angels lie to John by what they said?
Or are you interpreting Johns vision by adding or subtracting symbolism into his writings?