The confusion is that Once Saved "it is no longer they who live but Christ who lives in them", which some do not believe, and begin to accuse Christ in them to their own destruction.
"Salvation" is the gift of Eternal Life - it's FOREVER.
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Contradiction!
Yet what occurs thereafter, I did not mention.
You changed the subject and then made a False accusation.
No, that which you did IS not what “real followers do”!
The Concept of Salvation IS SO SIMPLE, it is Astounding to me HOW MANY “people calling themselves Christians” are utterly without Understanding.
Glory to God,
Taken
Ferris Bueller
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Whether OSAS is true or not is not the point. If a person is not living for Jesus in this life they are not going into the kingdom in the next. Even the original OSAS taught that. Genuine salvation is evidenced by a new life growing up towards the image of Christ. If that isn't happening in you then you probably don't have that new life and are not saved for the matter of OSAS to even matter.
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Behold
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"faith is counted as Righteousness"
"Abraham is the Father of our Faith"
"Justified by faith".
"the work of God is that you BELIEVE (faith) in Jesus whom God sent".
Jesus said...>"All that Believe (faith) in Me, i give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish".
"without FAITH it is impossible to please God"
John 3:36
Jesus said that if you "do not BELIEVE IN ME (faith) You shall DIE in your SIN"
If you need a few more, im here to help, Grailhunter
Behold
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Jesus doesn't agree with you.
Jesus said that the KOG is "within you". Luke 17:21.
Also, all the born again, are "translated from DARKNESS.....>TO LIGHT.""
See that LIGHT?
God exists "IN LIGHT"
Jesus is ""the LIGHT of the World."""
All the born again are become "children of THE Light"
You think all this is "out there", somewhere.. to be discovered later, as that is what you just POSTED, again.
Behold
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Behold
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The gift of God is not faith.
The Gift of God is the Cross of Christ that is the only SALVATION that God offers, that is the "GIFT of Salvation".
Ferris Bueller
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And the evidence you have that faith is your ever increasing obedience. The person who does not live for Jesus is not born again. They do not have saving faith. They just think they do.
Ferris Bueller
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Grace through faith is the gift of God:
"8For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God" Ephesians 2:8
It is not of yourself.
You show that you that which is not of yourself by whether or not you are growing up into the image of Jesus. Grace through faith is evidenced by the new creation. No new creation means no grace through faith is present to have made you a new creation.
Ferris Bueller
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At the end of the age...
31When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. 32All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will place the sheep on His right and the goats on His left.34Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, 36I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you looked after Me, I was in prison and you visited Me.’ Matthew 25:31-36
For now we have the kingdom within us via the Holy Spirit, the down payment, the promise of that which is to come.
Behold
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God does not keep you saved based on "ever increasing obedience"
Born again : is THE ONLY proof God is in Spiritual Union with You.
God saved us all "while we were YET sinners", not because we promised to produced "ever increasing obedience".
You have a Gospel of Self effort that you feel obsessed to keep showing us.
God has a Cross to provide Salvation, and nothing else will He accept.
They are not the same no matter what verse you use next to try to prove that WORKS keep you saved.
Listen, did you produce any works for God to save you?
Yet He did...when you were "yet a sinner", 'UNGODLY"">...so to now falsely teach that you have to produce works after He saved you, that He didnt require of you to save you, to stay SAVED....is HERESY, that REJECTS the CROSS.
Ferris Bueller
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Increasing obedience SHOWS that you are saved, confirming your calling and election.
"5For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith virtue; and to virtue, knowledge; 6and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; 7and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love. 8For if you possess these qualities and continue to grow in them, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9But whoever lacks these traits is nearsighted to the point of blindness, having forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins.10Therefore, brothers, strive to make your calling and election sure. For if you practice these things you will never stumble, 11and you will receive a lavish reception into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." 2 Peter 1:5-11
Ferris Bueller
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The new creation is how you know you are born again.
If you are not a new creation then you are not born again.
Ferris Bueller
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Ever-increasing obedience is how you know you are saved/born again new creation ready to stand before Christ when he returns.
Ferris Bueller
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Striving to make your calling and election sure doesn't MAKE you born again. It SHOWS that you are born again.
"10Therefore, brothers, strive to make your calling and election sure." 2 Peter 1:10
Ferris Bueller
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Faith is how a person is saved. The obedience that faith produces is how you know you have that faith and are saved. No changed life, means you do not have the faith that saves. You will not enter into the kingdom at the end of this age.
Ferris Bueller
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Saving faith is measured and validated by the work it produces, and so it is only in that way that you must produce works after you are saved in order to be saved when Jesus comes back. Works of righteousness are the evidence that Jesus will use at his return to judge you as having a loving, saving relationship with him:
"31When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. 32All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will place the sheep on His right and the goats on His left.34Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, 36I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you looked after Me, I was in prison and you visited Me.’" Matthew 25:31-36
And so we are to strive to have these works so that we can know that we are indeed saved and ready to meet him when he returns. The author of Hebrews speaks of this very same thing here:
"8But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless, and its curse is imminent. In the end it will be burned.9Even though we speak like this, beloved, we are convinced of better things in your case—things that accompany salvation. 10For God is not unjust. He will not forget your work and the love you have shown for His name as you have ministered to the saints and continue to do so.11We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, in order to make your hope sure." Hebrews 6:8-11
Your lip service alone OSAS gospel isn't going to cut it at the final judgment. Jesus will be looking for the very thing you say you don't have to have. You are leading many people astray. You're building Gilligan's Island straw huts that won't make it through the coming tempest and fire of Judgement. Not even the Professor is going to get you out of that one.
Ferris Bueller
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"Salvation" is the gift of Eternal Life - it's FOREVER.
Yes, it is forever, as long as you keep believing to the very end. Even the original OSAS teaching taught this. It taught that true believers will believe to the very end, and if a person doesn't then they were never really saved to begin with. But this stupid NEW OSAS teaching says you don't have to be a believer to be saved from the wrath of God when Jesus comes back.
Yes, it is forever, as long as you keep believing to the very end. Even the original OSAS teaching taught this. It taught that true believers will believe to the very end, and if a person doesn't then they were never really saved to begin with. But this stupid NEW OSAS teaching says you don't have to be a believer to be saved from the wrath of God when Jesus comes back.
robert derrick
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Since OSAS says the faith of Jesus is not the gift of God, they show they reject Jesus as the gift of God to the whole world.
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
This is how OSAS Christians are saved by their own faith alone, which is not the gift of Jesus and His faith found in Scripture.
The gift of God to the world is Jesus and His faith to be saved by:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference.
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
This is also why they are not correctible by plainly written Scripture, because their own faith and words and doctrine of salvation and justification is all they believe in and care about in justifying themselves, and nothing written on paper can change that.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
OSAS is just another whorish fable of Mother Babylon the Great, and in the end their own faith alone will not raise them up into the presence of the Lord, because their own faith has not enough power to deliver them from the works of the flesh and friendship of the world.
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