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The circumstance - the Bible. The King James Version is a good and decent version to read from, even better would be the greek to English translation Youngs Literal Translation is also good for studying.

What has been made known to me recently is that many people out there in the world really do believe that Jesus Christ is going to becoming back, because it was something that he promised to do while he was talking with his own Chosen Apostles, who would govern the church until the Lord Jesus had came back, in the same manner that he had left, (by going up into the clouds and disappearing - (going in to the Holy of Holies - having to have to return to show that the His blood was accepted - which when this happened along also would come judgement on the rebelling nation of Israel for it's idolatry, materialism, and not looking towards the Lord. This return came in 70Ad, my proof? It's by faith (there also some records to consider from history like Josephus, Tacticus, Cassio Dio, and Suetonius.)

Due to this being a personal belief, and by faith based on logic and reasoning based on what the Bible does state through out it's contents, such useful information to wanna get to learn and know in my own opinion, which is personal you may see things differently and that is okay.

Therefore it is by faith I truly believe that Jesus Christ, became one with God, named the Lord God Almighty once conquering over death, sin, devil and his angels, and even Hades/Hell/Sheol. Having hope that one day, after leaving this life, to be resurrected and go to be with God in the Kingdom, by believing and having faith and realize that God is good, and he desires us to have love towards Him, and have love towards others, due to the wrath of God being poured on the nation of Israel in 70 Ad.

God is not angry or mad at you any longer. He simply will allow you to make your choice in what way you will choose to walk and live in this life while you are given time to do so. He desires for you to come to knowledge of truth about the Son, according to the Bible. Even though you make mistakes, he is there to help with them, to help you overcome them by faith, having hope to overcome and be lead by the spirit and not the lusts of the flesh. God is love, and he is justified having taken care of the old economy and instating the new heavenly economy that anyone can enter into by faith being born again, coming to the truth of the death, burial, resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.

God has restored everything to the way it was in the Garden of Eden. Each individual making a choice to serve God or not serve God and God knows each and all people and will one day look and see our hearts when a person passes away.
 

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God has restored everything to the way it was in the Garden of Eden.

What are you saying is "restored", as the world certainly isn't.
Notice the terrorism, wars, atheists, lying media, Putin, Biden, murders, sex trade, Transgender....etc.

So, what is "restored", MatthewG?

Be specific.
 

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The circumstance - the Bible. The King James Version is a good and decent version to read from, even better would be the greek to English translation Youngs Literal Translation is also good for studying.

What has been made known to me recently is that many people out there in the world really do believe that Jesus Christ is going to becoming back, because it was something that he promised to do while he was talking with his own Chosen Apostles, who would govern the church until the Lord Jesus had came back, in the same manner that he had left, (by going up into the clouds and disappearing - (going in to the Holy of Holies - having to have to return to show that the His blood was accepted - which when this happened along also would come judgement on the rebelling nation of Israel for it's idolatry, materialism, and not looking towards the Lord. This return came in 70Ad, my proof? It's by faith (there also some records to consider from history like Josephus, Tacticus, Cassio Dio, and Suetonius.)

Due to this being a personal belief, and by faith based on logic and reasoning based on what the Bible does state through out it's contents, such useful information to wanna get to learn and know in my own opinion, which is personal you may see things differently and that is okay.

Therefore it is by faith I truly believe that Jesus Christ, became one with God, named the Lord God Almighty once conquering over death, sin, devil and his angels, and even Hades/Hell/Sheol. Having hope that one day, after leaving this life, to be resurrected and go to be with God in the Kingdom, by believing and having faith and realize that God is good, and he desires us to have love towards Him, and have love towards others, due to the wrath of God being poured on the nation of Israel in 70 Ad.

God is not angry or mad at you any longer. He simply will allow you to make your choice in what way you will choose to walk and live in this life while you are given time to do so. He desires for you to come to knowledge of truth about the Son, according to the Bible. Even though you make mistakes, he is there to help with them, to help you overcome them by faith, having hope to overcome and be lead by the spirit and not the lusts of the flesh. God is love, and he is justified having taken care of the old economy and instating the new heavenly economy that anyone can enter into by faith being born again, coming to the truth of the death, burial, resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.

God has restored everything to the way it was in the Garden of Eden. Each individual making a choice to serve God or not serve God and God knows each and all people and will one day look and see our hearts when a person passes away.


Many don't realize Matt that non-understanding is likely one of the biggest sins one can commit. God has promised to give people the opportunity to know Him and His requirements, and has sent His people to the ends of the earth to reach them with the good news. While it cuts our heart to think so many will be destroyed at Jesus' return, do we think it unrighteous on God's part to do this? Of course not, in fact we all pray for God to send His son to remove wickedness. So now is the time to come to know God and His requirements, for Jesus' return is so very near, and we do not want to be in a position of not knowing God or obeying the gospel when Jesus returns sir. 2 Thes 1:6-9
 
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What are you saying is "restored", as the world certainly isn't.
Notice the terrorism, wars, atheists, lying media, Putin, Biden, murders, sex trade, Transgender....etc.

So, what is "restored", MatthewG?

Be specific.

The ability to connect to God by faith if one desires to eat from the tree of life, or one can simply eat from the knowledge of the tree of good and evil. Because of the Return, also Material religion was done away, establishing a new economy which is spiritual, and heavenly.
 

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Many don't realize Matt that non-understanding is likely one of the biggest sins one can commit. God has promised to give people the opportunity to know Him and His requirements, and has sent His people to the ends of the earth to reach them with the good news. While it cuts our heart to think so many will be destroyed at Jesus' return, do we think it unrighteous on God's part to do this? Of course not, in fact we all pray for God to send His son to remove wickedness. So now is the time to come to know God and His requirements, for Jesus' return is so very near, and we do not want to be in a position of not knowing God or obeying the gospel when Jesus returns sir. 2 Thes 1:6-9

According to Jesus, what would be considered obeying the Gospel is to believe on the one God had sent, and to obey the commandments which is to love God, and to love your neighbor as yourself, it also includes understanding and accepting the resurrection of Christ, and it also includes understanding of the return, which I'mn my opinion and belief is that Jesus never lied t come and get those whom he promised to return and get.

Jesus Christ has conquered over Sin, Death, Hell/Shoel, Satan and his Angels, the false prophet, and the beast, and he has now become the Lord God Almighty. Being the Lord over everything created, and God still remaining where he is which is above his Word, really good stuff.

The great sin for me, personally, is simply to not have faith. Because faith is what please God. Dont you believe that because of your faith in God, he is pleased? Does believing in the Lord Jesus Christ give you a new life?
 
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According to Jesus, what would be considered obeying the Gospel is to believe on the one God had sent, and to obey the commandments which is to love God, and to love your neighbor as yourself, it also includes understanding and accepting the resurrection of Christ, and it also includes understanding of the return, which I'mn my opinion and belief is that Jesus never lied t come and get those whom he promised to return and get.

Jesus Christ has conquered over Sin, Death, Hell/Shoel, Satan and his Angels, the false prophet, and the beast, and he has now become the Lord God Almighty. Being the Lord over everything created, and God still remaining where he is which is above his Word, really good stuff.

The great sin for me, personally, is simply to not have faith. Because faith is what please God. Dont you believe that because of your faith in God, he is pleased? Does believing in the Lord Jesus Christ give you a new life?

All those things are true Matt, but of course not all there is to Christianity, there are more commandments. What is our primary commandment sir?

Dont you believe that because of your faith in God, he is pleased?Yes, I believe my participation in the faith pleases God.
Does believing in the Lord Jesus Christ give you a new life? It changed the heck out of my life for sure. For those who are not raised Christians, who comes into the light will make drastic changes.
 

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All those things are true Matt, but of course not all there is to Christianity, there are more commandments. What is our primary commandment sir?

Dont you believe that because of your faith in God, he is pleased?Yes, I believe my participation in the faith pleases God.
Does believing in the Lord Jesus Christ give you a new life? It changed the heck out of my life for sure. For those who are not raised Christians, who comes into the light will make drastic changes.

The only commandments given by Jesus, which he says to those around him at the time, if you love me (Jesus) keep the commandments, which is to love God, and to love others.
 

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The only commandments given by Jesus, which he says to those around him at the time, if you love me (Jesus) keep the commandments, which is to love God, and to love others.

Why not just quote Acts 16:31? Then be sure to explain why those who believed in him so much that they did many powerful works in his name why they did not receive salvation Mat 7:21. Best observe all the commandments Matt.
 

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Why not just quote Acts 16:31? Then be sure to explain why those who believed in him so much that they did many powerful works in his name why they did not receive salvation Mat 7:21. Best observe all the commandments Matt.

What do you mean by observe all the commandments, Robert Gwin? There are only two for Christians to follow. Why would there be a need for more?
 

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It is a wonderful thing to know that because of everything Jesus Christ done, he got rid of Material Religion - Churches that people go into today. The relationship is subjective between the believer and those who seek after God in faith.

And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him. Hebrews 11:6
 

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The circumstance - the Bible. The King James Version is a good and decent version to read from, even better would be the greek to English translation Youngs Literal Translation is also good for studying.

What has been made known to me recently is that many people out there in the world really do believe that Jesus Christ is going to becoming back, because it was something that he promised to do while he was talking with his own Chosen Apostles, who would govern the church until the Lord Jesus had came back, in the same manner that he had left, (by going up into the clouds and disappearing - (going in to the Holy of Holies - having to have to return to show that the His blood was accepted - which when this happened along also would come judgement on the rebelling nation of Israel for it's idolatry, materialism, and not looking towards the Lord. This return came in 70Ad, my proof? It's by faith (there also some records to consider from history like Josephus, Tacticus, Cassio Dio, and Suetonius.)

Due to this being a personal belief, and by faith based on logic and reasoning based on what the Bible does state through out it's contents, such useful information to wanna get to learn and know in my own opinion, which is personal you may see things differently and that is okay.

Therefore it is by faith I truly believe that Jesus Christ, became one with God, named the Lord God Almighty once conquering over death, sin, devil and his angels, and even Hades/Hell/Sheol. Having hope that one day, after leaving this life, to be resurrected and go to be with God in the Kingdom, by believing and having faith and realize that God is good, and he desires us to have love towards Him, and have love towards others, due to the wrath of God being poured on the nation of Israel in 70 Ad.

God is not angry or mad at you any longer. He simply will allow you to make your choice in what way you will choose to walk and live in this life while you are given time to do so. He desires for you to come to knowledge of truth about the Son, according to the Bible. Even though you make mistakes, he is there to help with them, to help you overcome them by faith, having hope to overcome and be lead by the spirit and not the lusts of the flesh. God is love, and he is justified having taken care of the old economy and instating the new heavenly economy that anyone can enter into by faith being born again, coming to the truth of the death, burial, resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.

God has restored everything to the way it was in the Garden of Eden. Each individual making a choice to serve God or not serve God and God knows each and all people and will one day look and see our hearts when a person passes away.


Well you cover several major doctrines in your post here.

but no, Jesus did not return in 70AD. His return will be visible and the world will know when He comes back according to the bible.

You are free to believe whatever you wish, but when you say it is biblical based and you are way off teh beam, expect pushback! Anbd Jesus did not return in 70AD.

And Jesus went to heaven and poured his blood on teh heavenly holy of holies, some time between Mary saw Him in the garden, and when he appeared in the rooms when Thomas was there and Jesus told Thomas to touch Him. He told Mary not to touch Him for he had not gone to the Father! But He told Thomas to touch Him, ergo, he had gone to the Father. This follows perfectly what teh high priest had to do at Passover. Teh Lamb slain, the blood poured out and taken by the high priest to the holy of holies to be poured out on teh ark. If anyone touched the high priest once he had the blood to pour out, he would become ceremonially unclean and could not pour th eblood until he became ceremonially clean again!
 

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Well you cover several major doctrines in your post here.

but no, Jesus did not return in 70AD. His return will be visible and the world will know when He comes back according to the bible.

You are free to believe whatever you wish, but when you say it is biblical based and you are way off teh beam, expect pushback! Anbd Jesus did not return in 70AD.

And Jesus went to heaven and poured his blood on teh heavenly holy of holies, some time between Mary saw Him in the garden, and when he appeared in the rooms when Thomas was there and Jesus told Thomas to touch Him. He told Mary not to touch Him for he had not gone to the Father! But He told Thomas to touch Him, ergo, he had gone to the Father. This follows perfectly what teh high priest had to do at Passover. Teh Lamb slain, the blood poured out and taken by the high priest to the holy of holies to be poured out on teh ark. If anyone touched the high priest once he had the blood to pour out, he would become ceremonially unclean and could not pour th eblood until he became ceremonially clean again!

Just posted a thread called “do you believe this”, thank you for making it clear Jesus hasn’t come back, Ronald, in your opinion.
 

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Just posted a thread called “do you believe this”, thank you for making it clear Jesus hasn’t come back, Ronald, in your opinion.

That is not opinion that is biblical fact!

Opinions mean nothing when we are talking Scripture.

Jesus said when He returns it will be a visible and global event.

Matthew 24:23-31
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23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Revelation 1:7
King James Version

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.


No opinion needed when teh bible makes it that clear and obvious!
 

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That is not opinion that is biblical fact!

Opinions mean nothing when we are talking Scripture.

Jesus said when He returns it will be a visible and global event.

Matthew 24:23-31
King James Version

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Revelation 1:7
King James Version

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.


No opinion needed when teh bible makes it that clear and obvious!

What about them? Everyone continues to share Revelation 1:7 as though it means now today, but the Letter was written to seven Churches in Asia Minor, so just by sharing Revelation 1:7 speaks about the land, and about those who had put Jesus Christ to death.
 

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That is not opinion that is biblical fact!

Opinions mean nothing when we are talking Scripture.

Jesus said when He returns it will be a visible and global event.

Matthew 24:23-31
King James Version

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Revelation 1:7
King James Version

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.


No opinion needed when teh bible makes it that clear and obvious!
@Ronald Nolette In the end the question to ask is, "What saith the Scripture?" right? :)
 
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I believe that it was something that was gonna happen in that area where Jerusalem was not the whole world.