Timtofly
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Revelation 11 is talking about Adam's flesh.Where does it say that? What is their reward exactly?
Because that isn't taught in scripture. But, you're welcome to show me where it is taught, if you can.
The hope of eternal life is what we currently have. We don't actually inherit eternal life until Christ returns, as Matthew 25:31-46 indicates.
Matthew 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.......46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
John 5:28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.
Those who are still alive when Christ returns won't have to be resurrected and they will be rewarded. But, scripture makes it clear that they will be rewarded at the same time as the dead in Christ when Christ returns (1 Thess 4:14-17).
All of the dead will be resurrected at generally the same time, according to Jesus in John 5:28-29. But, believers who "are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord" obviously won't need to be resurrected since they won't die but instead will be changed to have immortal bodies at that point (1 Cor 15:50-54).
Not in terms of having immortal bodies on the new heavens and new earth for eternity. They are still waiting for that reward.
Where is that stated in Revelation 20:4? I don't think you're reading Revelation 20:4 very carefully. I can't find anything that says what you think it says there.
Because there is nothing stated in that verse that the dead inherit the earth at that point. You are making that up.
Where does it say they are judged at that point? You are making a lot of assumptions here.
I don't feel like reading any more of your post. I just disagree with you on everything.
"And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Nations and those who destroy the earth are the dead. But they are alive, because nations do not exist in sheol neither can the earth be destroyed from sheol.
Besides, if you cannot find the word reward in Revelation 4, then you cannot just plop the word resurrection in Revelation 11:18.
"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them"
How can something be given in judgment, if not a reward. What was given?
"they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."
Life was given and authority was given as a reward. They literally inherit the earth.
You seem to deny Abraham's bosom was emptied at the Cross, if you reject that was the hour they physically arose from death. Leaving Abraham's bosom is a resurrection from a state of death.
Why call it the Resurrection and the Life if all you get is souls only changing location? Souls could have always been in the firmament if that was the case. You accept the term spiritual in most of your post. Being spiritually dead is just as dead as being physically dead. They both are a state of death. Yet somehow people can be physically alive and spiritually dead so still dead. Revelation 11 is post Second Coming those OT prophets are physically and spiritually alive, not dead in either sense of the word. Jesus is about to destroy those who are spiritually dead and reward those spiritually alive. No resurrection even mentioned. Even those who will be beheaded have not even been beheaded at this time. Jesus is either going to kill them all now, or after Satan's 42 months at Armageddon. So still not a resurrection, because these people are still alive on the earth.
Yet in Revelation 20:4-6 it calls this the first resurrection, those beheaded were judged and given their sentence. Their reward is to rule and reign on earth for 1,000 years. Certainly it is a reward and not a punishment.