Why I'm Premil

[WPM]

I see. You try to create carnal divisions in the church to preserve your idol, Amil? Got it.

No, we reject and resist pride, bitterness, deceit and ad hominem.

 

[Randy Kluth]

No, we reject and resist pride, bitterness, deceit and ad hominem.

lolol! You are the epitome of insulting ad hominem! You are so uninspired, brother. You make up things in your mind, and believe them to be true, when they aren't in the least true.

You constantly tell me I'm "bitter," when I'm not bitter in the least! You tell me I "know* the truth that you're saying when I don't "know" that at all! In fact, I believe you're wrong.

But I'm not mad at you for having a different opinion. On the contrary, I encourage Christians to follow their own road. On the other hand, you seem intolerant of those who reject and argue against Amil. It's you who seem "bitter" when people cross you?

 

[WPM]

lolol! You are the epitome of insulting ad hominem!

Not so. That is where you are at your best. And i said: "pride, bitterness, deceit and ad hominem." That is a toxic concoction!!!

 

[Randy Kluth]

Not so. That is where you are at your best. And i said: "pride, bitterness, deceit and ad hominem." That is a toxic concoction!!!

Suit yourself, brother. I honestly believe the Bible teaches Premill. If you don't like that, too bad.

 

[WPM]

lolol! You are the epitome of insulting ad hominem! You are so uninspired, brother. You make up things in your mind, and believe them to be true, when they aren't in the least true.

You constantly tell me I'm "bitter," when I'm not bitter in the least! You tell me I "know* the truth that you're saying when I don't "know" that at all! In fact, I believe you're wrong.

But I'm not mad at you for having a different opinion. On the contrary, I encourage Christians to follow their own road. On the other hand, you seem intolerant of those who reject and argue against Amil. It's you who seem "bitter" when people cross you?

Not only that, but, you are thin-skinned and a magnet for offence. This is a terrible concoction. An example of this is found above when I simply highlighted the fact that the only thing that matters is Scripture, not your opinion. This caused you to venomously and unfairly attack me. That is very representative of who you are! You interpreted that as insulting, when none was meant. These are terrible qualities to possess for someone engaging so much on these types of forums. There are many Premils who are not like you and who can actually keep to the issues, even if most are evasive. Finally, you never apologize when you do things like this. That is ultimate pride!

 

[Randy Kluth]

Not only that, but, you are thin-skinned and a magnet for offence. This is a terrible concoction. An example of this is found above when I simply highlighted the fact that the only thing that matters is Scripture, not your opinion. This caused you to venomously and unfairly attack me. That is very representative of who you are! You interpreted that as insulting, when none was meant. These are terrible qualities to possess for someone engaging so much on these types of forums. There are many Premils who are not like you and who can actually keep to the issues, even if most are evasive. Finally, you never apologize when you do things like this. That is ultimate pride!

We should set our minds on things above, where Christ dwells in heaven, and not on earthly bickering. We should keep our hearts in the love of God, instead of sniping. Does that resonate with you?

 

[WPM]

We should set our minds on things above, where Christ dwells in heaven, and not on earthly bickering. We should keep our hearts in the love of God, instead of sniping. Does that resonate with you?

Exactly! So, when are you going to apologize?

 

[No Pre-TB]

Exactly! So, when are you going to apologize?

Christians don’t need others to apologize regardless. We forgive and move on.

 

[WPM]

Christians don’t need others to apologize regardless. We forgive and move on.

This is the guy who taunts others when they apologize and throws all types of ad hominem in response. He constantly accuses Amils who are captivated with the coming of the Lord at the end with idolatry because they advance their beliefs. Then he lectures others about dealing with things spiritual. The hypocrisy is: he is obsessed with promoting Premil.

Should he not apologize for this?

your idol, Amillennialism.

Amil is his idol, put quite simply. Yes, that's my opinion

Why else would you make this an idol?

You can sometimes tell that someone is off track and not aligned with the word of God. Their rage is evidence of that fact. Their obsessive idolization of their doctrines indicate that somewhere along the way they've gotten off track, gotten lost, and now find themselves groping in the dark

You try to create carnal divisions in the church to preserve your idol, Amil?

 

[marks]

lolol! You are the epitome of insulting ad hominem! You are so uninspired, brother. You make up things in your mind, and believe them to be true, when they aren't in the least true.

You constantly tell me I'm "bitter," when I'm not bitter in the least! You tell me I "know* the truth that you're saying when I don't "know" that at all! In fact, I believe you're wrong.

But I'm not mad at you for having a different opinion. On the contrary, I encourage Christians to follow their own road. On the other hand, you seem intolerant of those who reject and argue against Amil. It's you who seem "bitter" when people cross you?

You've been very patient!

Much love!

 

[No Pre-TB]

This is the guy who taunts others when they apologize and throws all types of ad hominem in response. He constantly accuses Amils who are captivated with the coming of the Lord at the end with idolatry because they advance their beliefs. Then he lectures others about dealing with things spiritual. The hypocrisy is: he is obsessed with promoting Premil.

Should he not apologize for this

Its not up to us to say someone should apologize. He knows his own speech whether loving or harmful. He’s accountable to God as am I. Instead, we should be praying for each other. Yes, there are many different thoughts on eschatology here. And sadly that causes friction time to time on both sides. I’m not amill. And though I disagree with that thought, I’m still happy you love the Lord. I council people to read James and how we should bridle our mouth. It’s full of adder poison and dangerous.

 

[WPM]

Its not up to us to say someone should apologize. He knows his own speech whether loving or harmful. He’s accountable to God as am I. Instead, we should be praying for each other. Yes, there are many different thoughts on eschatology here. And sadly that causes friction time to time on both sides. I’m not amill. And though I disagree with that thought, I’m still happy you love the Lord. I council people to read James and how we should bridle our mouth. It’s full of adder poison and dangerous.

I agree with everything you said.

 

[Randy Kluth]

This is the guy who taunts others when they apologize and throws all types of ad hominem in response. He constantly accuses Amils who are captivated with the coming of the Lord at the end with idolatry because they advance their beliefs. Then he lectures others about dealing with things spiritual. The hypocrisy is: he is obsessed with promoting Premil.

Anything that gets between your love for Christ and your love for yourself is an idol. I'm sorry that you can't see Amil is an "idol" to you. As I said, I don't believe you're actually engaging in idolatry of the classic type, where you believe in other religions. You're a Christian who has no love on this subject.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Christians don’t need others to apologize regardless. We forgive and move on.

I've tried repeatedly to get this guy to just accept that Christians have different opinions, but he seems unable to respond to my beliefs without saying, "You have nothing." And then he accuses me of not using the Bible. So I post about 7 or 8 Scripture passages to him, and He simply dismisses it, not because I'm not using the bible, but only because he disagrees with me!

I've tried and tried to keep our disagreements "Christian" and on a level of love and respect. But some just seem unable to manage that. I'll keep trying until hope is gone.

 

[WPM]

Anything that gets between your love for Christ and your love for yourself is an idol. I'm sorry that you can't see Amil is an "idol" to you. As I said, I don't believe you're actually engaging in idolatry of the classic type, where you believe in other religions. You're a Christian who has no love on this subject.

Your theology has been so demolished over the years that all you are left with are venemous and unfair attacks, bitterness and ad hominem. You think you are a mind-reader and a heart-reader. Well, nothing could be further from the truth. You are so full of nonsense. You are so full of pride. I know others see it as well. Why would any Amil respect such a person that hurls such bitter assaults and refuses to apologize?

 

[Randy Kluth]

You've been very patient!

Much love!

Every Christian is worth being eternally patient with, because we never know what is going on in their mind. I know people with genuine paranoia problems, who actually believe you're insulting them with the slightest disagreement.

I don't know the people I speak with--they could have psychological problems, or they could've had a rough background. An early field of study of mine was in the area of psychology. As a Christian I cannot judge quickly, or by mere appearances.

Thank you so much, brother! I'm constantly told by one person here that I'm venomous. And although I'm certainly capable of it as a forgiven sinner, I don't feel I'm either bitter or wish any ill upon anybody here. I wish them all to treat me and to be treated like brothers and friends. But doctrine is one of those things.....

 

[WPM]

I've tried repeatedly to get this guy to just accept that Christians have different opinions, but he seems unable to respond to my beliefs without saying, "You have nothing." And then he accuses me of not using the Bible. So I post about 7 or 8 Scripture passages to him, and He simply dismisses it, not because I'm not using the bible, but only because he disagrees with me!

I've tried and tried to keep our disagreements "Christian" and on a level of love and respect. But some just seem unable to manage that. I'll keep trying until hope is gone.

You have nothing to support your claims, and you know it.

How does Scripture define "Christian"? Please quote supporting text. I don't care what Wikipedia or you say.

 

[WPM]

You've been very patient!

Much love!

The two of you support each other because you both use the same venomous language when engaging with Amils. You both hate Amil and Amils. You really need to look in the mirror. Here are some of your vicious attacks

“The Amill position is in support of Satan's working of a one-world government.”

“I have countered the baloney your Amill false believes.”

“You are a fake.”

“This is hilarious.”

"Hogwash -- all of it!"

"Balderdash!”

"more hot air!"

"You need to repent to Jesus and ask Him forgiveness for denying His Word."

“What you're asking is just silly.”

“you need to get real, and stop those silly vague questions that only serve as attempted traps, like "are you still beating your wife?"

“I ain't easy prey like you're used to.”

“why not admit the charlatans you heed failed to prepare you for that”

 

[WPM]

Every Christian is worth being eternally patient with, because we never know what is going on in their mind. I know people with genuine paranoia problems, who actually believe you're insulting them with the slightest disagreement.

I don't know the people I speak with--they could have psychological problems, or they could've had a rough background. An early field of study of mine was in the area of psychology. As a Christian I cannot judge quickly, or by mere appearances.

Thank you so much, brother! I'm constantly told by one person here that I'm venomous. And although I'm certainly capable of it as a forgiven sinner, I don't feel I'm either bitter or wish any ill upon anybody here. I wish them all to treat me and to be treated like brothers and friends. But doctrine is one of those things.....

You both sing from the hymn sheet. That is why you egg each other on. Talking about venemous; here are some of your bitter charges against Amils.

you must be spiritually blind

I'm arguing with someone who has no sense of discernment!

Like the carnal person that you are

you've proven yourself to be incorrigible, unteachable, and narcissistic. You seem to be looking for followers, for confirmation that you're right. Why else would you make this an idol?

I lose interest in reading the rest of your trash talk.

It's a work of your own, and not a work of the Lord.

For you Eternal Life seems to be a concept, a doctrine, rather than a life experience

 

[marks]

The two of you support each other because you're both use the same venomous language. You both hate Amil and Amils. You really need to look in the mirror. Here are some of your vicious attacks

You've just told me everything I need to know about you, at least for right now, and I hope that improves for your sake. I know what I've said and not said. You've revealed yourself.

Much love!