The beliefs of the early Chiliasts were the antithesis of modern Premil

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If you believe that Jesus considered the woman to be a dog because she was a Gentile, then you must believe that He considers all Gentile women to be dogs.

Or maybe it's all Gentiles of both genders that He considers to be dogs. That's in the talmud.

Which do you think?
He was a Jewish man and he considered all gentiles as dogs, lest he would not have said it.
 

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36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Are you blaming God for saving only those who gladly receive His Word?
You skipped verse 38!

Why?
 

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You skipped verse 38!

Why?
Here's the entire passage!!

36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
 
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Here's the entire passage!!

36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
Great, so what is your opinion of Acts 2:38?
 

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Acts 1:25KJV
25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
Zechariah 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
 

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Hmm...seems to be a slight contradiction there.

2/3 of all Jews will be killed?

That's antisemitic racism at its worst.

Well you will have to take that uup with God. He said it as I posted the verse! So you think God is a racist at its worst then.

As for me- by holding the nation still has Gods ey8e I am a racist, and then quoting the passage where God kills off 2/3 of them I am a racist. Seems you just are in love with calling those who disagree with you a racist.
 

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Dispensationally, Judas will be one of the saved, because Zechariah 12:10 says "...they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him...". Prepare to meet and greet Judas in heaven.

But you'll have to explain to Jesus how Judas got there, because Jesus said that he was lost (John 17:12).

Well because you ignore the plain writiing if favor of allegorical reinterpretation, I am not surprised you thinkJ udas would be saved.

He won't be but that is another topic for another thread.
 

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I'm glad that you now understand that "dog" was a dysphemism, not a euphemism.

And I am glad you are still straining at teh gants to swallow camels. Did you have to look that up or did you know dysphemism already. I didn't even know th eterm existed.

So I am ready foir you to chide me cuz I didn't know it existed!
 

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Awaiting your link.

If you want me to link- You need to post your so called empirical evidence so I may address it. YOu made the calim everyone is Jewish, so I await your evidence to address it properly. I don't answer your generalities of "Empirical evidence and mathematics" without seeing the "empirical evidence and mathematics".
 

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If you want me to link- You need to post your so called empirical evidence so I may address it. YOu made the calim everyone is Jewish, so I await your evidence to address it properly. I don't answer your generalities of "Empirical evidence and mathematics" without seeing the "empirical evidence and mathematics".
Corroborated empirically by the Jewish community itself.

Abraham lineage
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http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...-africa-has-jewish-roots-genetic-tests-reveal
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/...her-claims-proof-of-tribe-of-Ephraim-in-India
https://www.jta.org/2013/05/23/life...bush-bani-israel-tribe-claims-jewish-heritage

Demonstrated mathematically.

Example of ancestral genetic ubiquity:

Charlemagne’s DNA and Our Universal Royalty

BY CARL ZIMMER

Nobody in my past was hugely famous, at least that I know of. I vaguely recall that an ancestor of mine who shipped over on the Mayflower distinguished himself by falling out of the ship and having to get fished out of the water. He might be notable, I guess, but hardly famous. It is much more fun to think that I am a bloodline descendant of Charlemagne. And in 1999, Joseph Chang gave me permission to think that way.

Chang was not a genealogist who had decided to make me his personal project. Instead, he is a statistician at Yale who likes to think of genealogy as a mathematical problem. When you draw your genealogy, you make two lines from yourself back to each of your parents. Then you have to draw two lines for each of them, back to your four grandparents. And then eight great-grandparents, sixteen great-great-grandparents, and so on. But not so on for very long. If you go back to the time of Charlemagne, forty generations or so, you should get to a generation of a trillion ancestors. That’s about two thousand times more people than existed on Earth when Charlemagne was alive.

The only way out of this paradox is to assume that our ancestors are not independent of one another. That is, if you trace their ancestry back, you loop back to a common ancestor. We’re not talking about first-cousin stuff here–more like twentieth-cousin. This means that instead of drawing a tree that fans out exponentially, we need to draw a web-like tapestry.

In a paper he published in 1999 [pdf], Chang analyzed this tapestry mathematically. If you look at the ancestry of a living population of people, he concluded, you’ll eventually find a common ancestor of all of them. That’s not to say that a single mythical woman somehow produced every European by magically laying a clutch of eggs. All this means is that as you move back through time, sooner or later some of the lines in the genealogy will cross, meeting at a single person.

As you go back further in time, more of those lines cross as you encounter more common ancestors of the living population. And then something really interesting happens. There comes a point at which, Chang wrote, “all individuals who have any descendants among the present-day individuals are actually ancestors of all present-day individuals.”

In 2002, the journalist Steven Olson wrote an article in the Atlantic about Chang’s work. To put some empirical meat on the abstract bones of Chang’s research, Olson considered a group of real people–living Europeans.

The most recent common ancestor of every European today (except for recent immigrants to the Continent) was someone who lived in Europe in the surprisingly recent past—only about 600 years ago. In other words, all Europeans alive today have among their ancestors the same man or woman who lived around 1400. Before that date, according to Chang’s model, the number of ancestors common to all Europeans today increased, until, about a thousand years ago, a peculiar situation prevailed: 20 percent of the adult Europeans alive in 1000 would turn out to be the ancestors of no one living today (that is, they had no children or all their descendants eventually died childless); each of the remaining 80 percent would turn out to be a direct ancestor of every European living today.

Suddenly, my pedigree looked classier: I am a descendant of Charlemagne. Of course, so is every other European. By the way, I’m also a descendant of Nefertiti. And so are you, and everyone else on Earth today. Chang figured that out by expanding his model from living Europeans to living humans, and getting an estimate of 3400 years instead of a thousand for the all-ancestor generation.

Things have changed a lot in the fourteen years since Chang published his first paper on ancestry. Scientists have amassed huge databases of genetic information about people all over the world. These may not be the same thing as a complete genealogy of the human race, but geneticists can still use them to tackle some of the same questions that intrigued Chang.

Recently, two geneticists, Peter Ralph of the University of Southern California and Graham Coop of the University of California at Davis, decided to look at the ancestry of Europe. They took advantage of a compilation of information about 2257 people from across the continent. Scientists had examined half a million sites in each person’s DNA, creating a distinctive list of genetic markers for each of them.

You can use this kind of genetic information to make some genealogical inferences, but you have to know what you’re dealing with. Your DNA is not a carbon copy of your parents’. Each time they made eggs or sperm, they shuffled the two copies of each of their chromosomes and put one in the cell. Just as a new deck gets more scrambled the more times you shuffle it, chromosomes get more shuffled from one generation to the next.

This means that if you compare two people’s DNA, you will find some chunks that are identical in sequence. The more closely related people are, the bigger the chunks you’ll find. This diagram shows how two first cousins share a piece of DNA that’s identical by descent (IBD for short).

Ralph and Coop identified 1.9 million of these long shared segments of DNA shared by at least two people in their study. They then used the length of each segment to estimate how long ago it arose from a common ancestor of the living Europeans.

Their results, published today in PLOS Biology, both confirm Chang’s mathematical approach and enrich it. Even within the past thousand years, Ralph and Coop found, people on opposite sides of the continent share a lot of segments in common–so many, in fact, that it’s statistically impossible for them to have gotten them all from a single ancestor. Instead, someone in Turkey and someone in England have to share a lot of ancestors. In fact, as Chang suspected, the only way to explain the DNA is to conclude that everyone who lived a thousand years ago who has any descendants today is an ancestor of every European. Charlemagne for everyone!

If you compare two people in Turkey, you’ll find bigger shared segments of DNA, which isn’t surprising. Since they live in the same country, chances are they have more recent ancestors, and more of them. But there is a rich, intriguing pattern to the number of shared segments among Europeans. People across Eastern Europe, for example, have a larger set of shared segments than people from within single countries in Western Europe. That difference may be the signature of a big expansion of the Slavs.

Ralph and Coop’s study may provide a new tool for reconstructing the history of humans on every continent, not just Europe. It will also probably keep people puzzling over the complexities of genealogy.


How does God distinguish genetic Jews from genetic Jews?

It matters not one whit.

Because God has only two covenant criteria.

Two spiritual genes.

Faith and obedience.

Abraham's Spiritual DNA.

And nothing else.
 

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Exactly. His blathering means nothing without scriptural support. Notice how Premils never are able to make coherent arguments and they're just all over the place with their comments while they randomly piece together unrelated scriptures. That's very telling.
Address the topic not the member. By specifically mentioning "His" blathering you are harassing, Flaming and goading this member personally.
Your point can be made without insulting others.
Thank you and Have a blessed day.
 

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Address the topic not the member. By specifically mentioning "His" blathering you are harassing, Flaming and goading this member personally.
Your point can be made without insulting others.
Thank you and Have a blessed day.
"Blathering" does not refer to the member, but rather to the content of the topic. "His" merely ensures that the author is identified.

The definition of "blather" is:
long-winded talk with no real substance

A synonym is "nonsense", which is ubiquitous throughout these forums.

It is not harassing, flaming, goading, or insulting.

Thanks.
 
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Well because you ignore the plain writiing if favor of allegorical reinterpretation, I am not surprised you thinkJ udas would be saved.

He won't be but that is another topic for another thread.
I'm thinking like dispensationalists think. They quote Zechariah 12:10 incessantly.

Judas was one of "they".

So dispensationalists interpret Zechariah 12:10 allegorically??

Heaven forbid!!

Dispens of course do interpret the verse very allegorically, as they claim that it refers to end-time Jews, whereas in reality those who literally pierced Christ were the historical Romans.
 
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"Blathering" does not refer to the member, but rather to the content of the topic. "His" merely ensures that the author is identified.

The definition of "blather" is:
long-winded talk with no real substance

A synonym is "nonsense", which is ubiquitous throughout these forums.

It is not harassing, flaming, goading, or insulting.

Thanks.
I am very much aware of what blathering means and you are not the member I addressed.
Your argument above is in vain. However way you try to justify it will not change the fact that it is breaking forum rules...
And you can define what is harrassment, flaming and goading however you want but for this forum what is considered to be such is according to the guidelines of the forum rules.
Thank you and have a blessed day.
 

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I am very much aware of what blathering means and you are not the member I addressed.
Your argument above is in vain. However way you try to justify it will not change the fact that it is breaking forum rules...
And you can define what is harrassment, flaming and goading however you want but for this forum what is considered to be such is according to the guidelines of the forum rules.
Thank you and have a blessed day.
Is the synonym "nonsense" considered to be harassing, flaming, goading, or insulting? I've never seen any warnings about it.

If so, what word(s) meaning "nonsense" would be considered acceptable?

Thanks.
 
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