Jesus own words that He is the Son of God

[Justbobg]

It's possible God was slightly disappointed at Moses' lack of understanding in trying to 'humanise' him by asking him his name, so we could therefore speculate that his reply translates as something like- "Do not try to trivialise me by assuming I have a name, I just AM"
That's why the vast majority of Exodus 3:14 in Bible versions say "I am"..-

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To me it’s self explanatory IAM , it reveals that he ALWAYS was is will be , only God can say this in truth . He inhabits eternity. No beginnings no endings .

 

[Robert Gwin]

What thefaith posted is the actual Truth, only The Father and His Son are to be worshiped.

And Jesus Christ existed before... He was born through Mary's womb...

Rev 1:5-8
5 And from Jesus Christ, Who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto Him That loved us, and washed us from our sins in His own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and His Father; to Him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

7 Behold, He cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen.

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, Which is, and Which was, and Which is to come, the Almighty.
KJV

One cannot go wrong in obeying Jesus' words at Mat 4:10 sir. That is who I am going to worship.

 

[ScottA]

Jesus plainly said The father God is WITH him , and he did not say IAM GOD , do you now believe that I AM GOD ? He never said it EVER. Jesus being the Son of God is self explanatory. What so many seem to over look is the word OF , Son OF God , that means he is OF God not just a man , although a man . Not just a prophet , John the Baptist was the greatest prophet according to Jesus and we know he said about Jesus that he was unworthy to unloose his boot straps . So Jesus is not God himself or a prophet alone , but the Son of God and the first ever of his kind . You could even say angels have been called sons of God but not like Jesus . “ Only begotten “ is Jesus. Gods Son .

The issue here is indeed the thinking of men compared with that of God. Matthew 16:23

We need to remember that mankind has been cast out of the presence of God--therefore, by definition, it cannot be said that Christ is God. But "God with us" (Immanuel) is also very clear...that it is instead God by his own right hand reaching out--not man in the presence of God (where He is), but God in the presence of man (where they are). For this reason Jesus also said, "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also." John 14:3 Only God could do such a thing.

It should also be understood, that no one but God could baptize with His spirit. Matthew 3:11

 

[Davy]

One cannot go wrong in obeying Jesus' words at Mat 4:10 sir. That is who I am going to worship.

And we all would do good to abide by that. All glory and power to The Father in the name of Jesus Christ.

 

[Justbobg]

One cannot go wrong in obeying Jesus' words at Mat 4:10 sir. That is who I am going to worship.[/QUOTE

The issue here is indeed the thinking of men compared with that of God. Matthew 16:23

We need to remember that mankind has been cast out of the presence of God--therefore, by definition, it cannot be said that Christ is God. But "God with us" (Immanuel) is also very clear...that it is instead God by his own right hand reaching out--not man in the presence of God (where He is), but God in the presence of man (where they are). For this reason Jesus also said, "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also." John 14:3 Only God could do such a thing.

It should also be understood, that no one but God could baptize with His spirit. Matthew 3:11

Jesus stated that he could do nothing without God who was with him . So Jesus was dependent on His father who is God always , and Jesus received all things from his father God . It all reveals to me One God and Jesus was a recipient from God , not Hod the creator. God has ordained Jesus to be the mediator for us . I hope this is clear with out scripture reference , where I learn from originally . I don’t want to write a book , but prefer people read the book themselves. What a book the Bible

 

[Justbobg]

The issue here is indeed the thinking of men compared with that of God. Matthew 16:23

We need to remember that mankind has been cast out of the presence of God--therefore, by definition, it cannot be said that Christ is God. But "God with us" (Immanuel) is also very clear...that it is instead God by his own right hand reaching out--not man in the presence of God (where He is), but God in the presence of man (where they are). For this reason Jesus also said, "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also." John 14:3 Only God could do such a thing.

It should also be understood, that no one but God could baptize with His spirit. Matthew 3:11

Some thing to remember is Jesus was totally dependent on God his father , not coequal as God . Jesus said he could do nothing with out His father in John . That’s why he prayed to God many times to his father ….

 

[ScottA]

Jesus stated that he could do nothing without God who was with him . So Jesus was dependent on His father who is God always , and Jesus received all things from his father God . It all reveals to me One God and Jesus was a recipient from God , not Hod the creator. God has ordained Jesus to be the mediator for us . I hope this is clear with out scripture reference , where I learn from originally . I don’t want to write a book , but prefer people read the book themselves. What a book the Bible

The problem is you are not connecting the dots, not considering the bigger picture, but stating a half-truth as if it were all truth. It's not.

I did explain, but now you repeat your position as if you still don't get the bigger picture.

The words of scripture defined show the Father (or the perceived One God) and Jesus as two separate beings, but also as Christ being "the cause of the subject" whom is God. Meaning that the One is indeed One, while the other is that same One at work. Just because Bob is Bob and also a Plumber, and what is written of Bob and what is written of him as a Plumber are written separately, doesn't make him two people. But God regarding Himself has unpacked it and is repacking it to be One again--and this He has done for our salvation and His glory.

At this point in history we should have enough information to see that God has unpacked the knowledge of Himself as One in multiple revelations, even Himself giving each of them names and different identities...and He has also revealed that He is repacking them again to the One in the end. This can be seen in Jesus' prayer to the Father about returning to the glory He shared with Him before the world was, and that they were again One, even to include all who are in Him (Christ).

 

[Justbobg]

The problem is you are not connecting the dots, not considering the bigger picture, but stating a half-truth as if it were all truth. It's not.

I did explain, but now you repeat your position as if you still don't get the bigger picture.

The words of scripture defined show the Father (or the perceived One God) and Jesus as two separate beings, but also as Christ being "the cause of the subject" whom is God. Meaning that the One is indeed One, while the other is that same One at work. Just because Bob is Bob and also Plumber, and what is written of Bob and what is written of him as a Plumber are written separately, doesn't make him two people. But God regarding Himself has unpacked it and is repacking it to be One again--and this He has done for our salvation and His glory.

At this point in history we should have enough information to see that God has unpacked the knowledge of Himself as One in multiple revelations, even Himself giving each of them names and different identities...and He has also revealed that He is repacking them again to the One in the end. This can be seen in Jesus' prayer to the Father about returning to the glory He shared with Him before the world was, and that they were again One, even to include all who are in Him (Christ).

Yes I understand your position and thought . But how can anyone have more than 1 identity? A person may have more than 1 title but not 1 identity. In other words you can not be two or three people . Neither is God . God is one according to all scriptures. that’s the simple truth to me , men make it complicated. Jesus Identity is his own , none other that’s why God his father calls him Son . It’s a relationship and a close and strong one that Jesus can say we are one . But not saying they the same person . If they are the same person then they would have the same Identity. Jesus would say IAm God and God would say IAm Jesus . Neither have said so . Why because it’s not the truth . God can and has spoken through Jesus . God also spoke through the prophets. But consider this God fills heaven and earth . Not a man’s body . That would be way too small . Like trying to put the ocean into your bathtub.

 

[Justbobg]

Yes I understand your position and thought . But how can anyone have more than 1 identity? A person may have more than 1 title but not 1 identity. In other words you can not be two or three people . Neither is God . God is one according to all scriptures. that’s the simple truth to me , men make it complicated. Jesus Identity is his own , none other that’s why God his father calls him Son . It’s a relationship and a close and strong one that Jesus can say we are one . But not saying they the same person . If they are the same person then they would have the same Identity. Jesus would say IAm God and God would say IAm Jesus . Neither have said so . Why because it’s not the truth . God can and has spoken through Jesus . God also spoke through the prophets. But consider this God fills heaven and earth . Not a man’s body . That would be way too small . Like trying to put the ocean into your bathtub.

1 John 4 12 , 13, 14 , 15, 16 17,18

in my KJV it says Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God , God dwelleth in him , and he in God .

I testify this is true and believe the record God have of his Son .

if you add to Gods record you make your self a lier , it could be by ignorance or by intent, God is judge of that . Jesus is the Son of God as Peter confessed.
Jesus the one that was born in Bethlehem asked his disciples who do you say I am ? So who is he to you ? Can you Identify him as Peter did ? Or do you have another Jesus ? Remember love the truth so that you may be saved , or settle for a version of it and not be saved . Jesus is the Son of God .

 

[Davy]

The Scripture evidence that Jesus of Nazareth is God come in the flesh is overwhelming!

Warning to those who listen to Satan's workers hiding behind the scenes like wall flowers, and that push DENIAL that Jesus of Nazareth is "Immanuel" which means 'God with us' per Matthew 1:23.

The orthodox Jew, which there are a few that come here who try to hide while wanting those in Christ to believe they are Christians, are vehemently against any idea that Jesus of Nazareth is Immanuel God with us. They don't study nor believe The New Testament Scriptures, and only use enough of them to try to deceive with.

That is one of the ways you can discern their spirit, because they sometimes reveal they are not familiar with many basic CHRISTIAN DOCTRINES as written only in The New Testament. So when dealing with them, and you have to ask yourself, "how can this person claim to be a believer on Jesus and having studied their Bible, and not know this basic Christian doctrine?", then you know you are probably dealing with an orthodox Jew, or at the least someone of another religion, just not Christianity.

 

[Wrangler]

those in Christ to believe they are Christians, are vehemently against any idea that Jesus of Nazareth is Immanuel God with us.

We do, just not literally so.

1st, our lord's name is not literally Immanuel. So, it's odd that you take him to being Immanuel, god with us, to be literal. That's a dead give away, it is figurative.

2nd, Is everyone named Immanuel also God? If not, why not?

3rd, there are many instance in Scripture of God being with the people. Did that make them God too? If not, why not?

4th, And what did it mean then if they are not literally God? Why doesn't that same meaning apply in the Jesus case?

 

[ScottA]

Yes I understand your position and thought . But how can anyone have more than 1 identity? A person may have more than 1 title but not 1 identity. In other words you can not be two or three people . Neither is God . God is one according to all scriptures. that’s the simple truth to me , men make it complicated. Jesus Identity is his own , none other that’s why God his father calls him Son . It’s a relationship and a close and strong one that Jesus can say we are one . But not saying they the same person . If they are the same person then they would have the same Identity. Jesus would say IAm God and God would say IAm Jesus . Neither have said so . Why because it’s not the truth . God can and has spoken through Jesus . God also spoke through the prophets. But consider this God fills heaven and earth . Not a man’s body . That would be way too small . Like trying to put the ocean into your bathtub.

Okay--you're not hearing the logic of it.

I explained. But you are not understanding that No, they are not two persons...any more than Bob the daddy and Bob the Plumber are; and No, Bob doesn't go home from his job and title as a Plumber and say to his children, "I am not Daddy, I am Bob the Plumber", and Daddy doesn't go to work as a Plumber and introduce himself to clients, saying "You can call me Daddy." But rather each is a different identity in a different context.

Mark 10:9
Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.​

In the case of God, the context difference is as different as Heaven and Earth. But you don't get that, so it is people like yourself who separate what God has joined together, making two of the One.

 

[Justbobg]

Okay--you're not hearing the logic of it.

I explained. But you are not understanding that No, they are not two persons...any more than Bob the daddy and Bob the Plumber are; and No, Bob doesn't go home from his job and title as a Plumber and say to his children, "I am not Daddy, I am Bob the Plumber", and Daddy doesn't go to work as a Plumber and introduce himself to clients, saying "You can call me Daddy." But rather each is a different identity in a different context.

Mark 10:9
Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.​

In the case of God, the context difference is as different as Heaven and Earth. But you don't get that, so it is people like yourself who separate what God has joined together, making two of the One.

That proves my point about husband and wife . It’s not something I can make you understand.

 

[Justbobg]

I often think the same about many that come in Jesus name , but don’t know him or the scriptures

 

[Justbobg]

The Scripture evidence that Jesus of Nazareth is God come in the flesh is overwhelming!

Warning to those who listen to Satan's workers hiding behind the scenes like wall flowers, and that push DENIAL that Jesus of Nazareth is "Immanuel" which means 'God with us' per Matthew 1:23.

The orthodox Jew, which there are a few that come here who try to hide while wanting those in Christ to believe they are Christians, are vehemently against any idea that Jesus of Nazareth is Immanuel God with us. They don't study nor believe The New Testament Scriptures, and only use enough of them to try to deceive with.

That is one of the ways you can discern their spirit, because they sometimes reveal they are not familiar with many basic CHRISTIAN DOCTRINES as written only in The New Testament. So when dealing with them, and you have to ask yourself, "how can this person claim to be a believer on Jesus and having studied their Bible, and not know this basic Christian doctrine?", then you know you are probably dealing with an orthodox Jew, or at the least someone of another religion, just not Christianity.

The case is overwhelming that Jesus never claimed to be GOD

 

[ScottA]

That proves my point about husband and wife . It’s not something I can make you understand.

It is you who do not understand.

Husband and wife becoming one only points to what cannot and is not accomplished in the flesh. Nonetheless, we should discern by the spirit that God "all in all" in spirit, is rather all One--literally in a way the natural man and woman cannot experience.

 

[ScottA]

The case is overwhelming that Jesus never claimed to be GOD

Why would He lie?

Just as I would not say that my picture (to the left) is literally me, it is however "created in our image"...sound familiar? That is why Jesus would not say that He was God, but rather said "I and the Father are One" (meaning one and the same). You see, that is the actual definition of "Immanuel" (God with us)...that is, as we are [only] a created image, so is He.

This is how revelation works. For hundreds or even thousands of years men do not know or understand what God has done and is doing, and then He reveals it--just as men did not know for thousands of years that the practice of marriage was more importantly a revelation that pointed to the marriage of the Bride and the Bridegroom.

Now you know.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

John 16.27,28,29,30,31

do you believe Jesus asked his disciples. And that applies to us as well .
Jesus was born by the Holy Spirit and Virgin Mary in Bethlehem, this is when he came from God . Jesus demonstrated Gods being with him , by raising the dead , healing the sick , feeding 5 thousand . By his father God and dependence on him always . In perfect obedience to His father . Be careful how you read these verses and don’t go beyond them by adding things not said to fit a belief system or doctrine . May the Spirit of truth lead you …

Verse 14 is interesting there too. Why does Jesus say the Holy Spirit will glorify ME? Such scandal…!

 

[ScottA]

John 16:14
14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.
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"What is Mine"

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[Davy]

The case is overwhelming that Jesus never claimed to be GOD

Of course that is false, as I have already shown. At the end of John 8, Lord Jesus specifically claimed to be The 'I AM', which is one of God's sacred names. And even in John 14:8-9, when Philip asked Jesus to just show us The Father, Jesus told him, that he that had seen Him had seen The Father.

I could bring up other New Testament cases like that, but I won't waste anymore time with doubters like you.