Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

[Keiw]

As I said before, Wikipedia is not an authority on ANYTHING.
It's a place where anybody can post.

And actually what is your big deal?

Here's a big deal:
The important thing is this:
Repent and believe in Jesus Christ for what He did on the cross for you and you will be saved by God's grace.
Accept the free gift.

Believe in the real Jesus--The problem with all the different trinity based religions= A house divided will not stand.
Only those who obey will be saved. Those living now to do Jesus' Fathers will( Matt 7:21)--That will = Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT--takes years of study.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Quote: Anyone outside of the JW group will perish.

So, every human being who was on the face of the earth before the JW's were established (second half of the 1800's) will perish?

Get behind me satan!

Now this is just ignorant nonsense......Who were Jehovah's Witnesses before we began to be organized as a Christian body, separate and distinct from Christendom?
The faithful Jews were "Jehovah's witnesses" (Isaiah 43:10)....the first Christians were hated by the unfaithful Jews, but they too were "witnesses of Jehovah" by becoming disciples of his son. (Hebrews 12:1) Jesus is called "the Faithful and True Witness", (Revelation 3:14) so of whom was he a witness? You guys have such a distorted view of everything.....because you have no idea where your own doctrines have originated....the "weeds" sown by the devil go way back...they were not sown recently....so the only "Christianity" you know was never the one Jesus began......this is why he will say to the fake Christians at the judgment....."I never knew you" (Matthew 7:21-23)....."NEVER" means not ever.

Please tell me why Jehovah would not have his "witnesses" again in this "time of the end" when God promised to provide abundant knowledge and insight, to his "people", (Daniel 12:4, 9-10) so that the "wheat" could easily be separated from the "weeds" when he sees what they have been doing......not "the will of his Father". (Matthew 7:21-23)

We are told to "get out of Babylon the great" before God passes judgment on her (Revelation 18:4-5)...how can we separate ourselves from this "Babylon" if we have failed to identify her? Where do all of Christendom's doctrines originate? Babylon.

Because Christ is about to judge the world, he has had his appointed "faithful and wise servant", to feed his household their "food at the proper time" (Matthew 24:37-39)......does he give different "food" to different people depending on which denomination they choose to follow? (1 Corinthians 1:10) Has God ever done that? Tell me when He has ever NOT had an organized people who were to carry out his instructions to the letter in an organized way...?
Let's hear your explanation....:smlhmm:

 

[Robert Gwin]

How do you know God has approved of it? did He come down and tell you??? You believe the lies the Watchtower vomits about trinitarians but readily accept the trinitarian created name of YHWH. YOU really don't know.

And now the most important name in the universe is Jehoshua, in English--JESUS!

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

and to acknowledge tis name as above all names- brings glory to God the Father.

Stop believing the lies of Arius, Origen and C.T. Russell and the indoctrinators of the Watchtower!

What convinced me was the translators seemingly overlooking the 4 places where they failed to remove God's name. To me that was evidence God prevented them from removing it. His name has been broadcast around the world now, and I saw a Gideon version yesterday that was successful in removing His name.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Well we would have to have a watchtower in order for me to know wouldn't I?? as we do not have a centralized force fed magazine that we have to read and obey- we rely on Gods Word!

I am aware that you don't Ron, but at any rate, God's people are not left out in the cold, as Jesus promised a faithful slave during his presence, and they sure feed us well as you have shown in multiple posts.

No doubt when someone asks a simple question about who satan is, even without a watchtower, I would think they would be able to answer it sir.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Well if you read Gods Word with faith, you would know that it is the blood that bought the forgivenss of sins, not His body.

And you would know that god promised to not leave His body in the grave.

and that Jesus said He would take His body back.

YO uneed to decide which to believe- the philosophical ramblings of the man made watchtower organization, or the Word of God as is written!

Psalm 16:10
For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Acts 2:27
Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Acts 2:31
He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. See His body was not left- No story of God destroying it.

Acts 13:35
Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

John 2:18-22
King James Version

18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?

19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.


BUT HE SPAKE OF THE TEMPLE OF HIS BODY!!!!!!!!!

Leviticus 17:11
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

Hebrews 9:11-14
King James Version

11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Jesus laid His body down and took it back again ! Now who do you wish to believe- God or the Watchtower?

Jesus said: (Luke 22:19, 20) . . .Also, he took a loaf, gave thanks, broke it, and gave it to them, saying: “This means my body, which is to be given in your behalf. Keep doing this in remembrance of me.” 20 Also, he did the same with the cup after they had the evening meal, saying: “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in your behalf.

I believe it sir.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Jesus' body was removed from the cross before He was buried. Your objection is moot.

Much love!

What is your point sir?

 

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John called Jesus god small g-means has godlike qualities

• Col 2:9 . . It is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells
bodily.

The Greek word for "divine quality" is theóteetos which means: divinity

Seeing as how theóteetos is modified by the Greek definite article "teés"
then what we're looking at here in Col 2:9 isn't nondescript divinity, but
rather the divinity. In other words: we're looking at all the fullness of
Jehovah's divinity. So then Christ's divine quality isn't that of a tin God;
it's the real McCoy.
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[stunnedbygrace]

Lol at Barney.

 

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"If Jesus were to take his body of flesh, blood, and bones to heaven and
enjoy them there, what would this mean? It would mean that there would be
no resurrection of the dead for anybody. Why not? Because Jesus would be
taking his sacrifice off God's altar." (April 15, 1963 issue of the Watchtower
magazine, p.237)

There is a really, really big flaw in the Society's theology; to wit: Jesus died on earth
but his death was utilized for sanctification in Heaven. (Heb 9:18-24 & Heb 13:10)

* None of the Levitical sacrifices were required to remained on the Altar; and
in point of fact, certain portions of them were utilized as food for the priests.

* Another problem is Jesus' human remains. In order to confirm that his
crucified human body stayed dead, the Society is going to have produce it. A
piece of evidence of that significance can't be allowed to just slip through a
crack unnoticed as if it makes no difference. As Carl Sagan once said:
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
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[Ronald Nolette]

You are sadly mistaken sir. The teachings of Jesus in every translation on earth are with the JW,s and no others how do you explain that, i can explain it for you---You dont know what he actually teaches but then think you can speak for him. It doesnt work.

I do know what He actually teaches. And have been passing those teachings down for 49 years now! Thank you. And no the JW's do not have bibles in every translation. for their are written languages that weere created by Christian groups so they could write the bible in languages that had no written language. But Just having bibles in every language doesn't make a group right or wrong!

Once again if you trusted the bible as gods WQord you would be a Christian and not a JW. for even the Watchtower said if one reads the Bible alone they will be in darkness and rever5t to teh teachings of Christianity.

Gods Word says: " Every word of God is pure" and is a "lamp to our feet and a light to our path"

but the Watchtower declares, it is their printed materials that give you light and not he Bible- because you are too stupid to understand it without their books!

How very dark age Catholic, Branch Davidian, Peoples Temple, Father Divine of them!!!!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

What convinced me was the translators seemingly overlooking the 4 places where they failed to remove God's name. To me that was evidence God prevented them from removing it. His name has been broadcast around the world now, and I saw a Gideon version yesterday that was successful in removing His name.

Well that still won't save you. You strain at Christians gnats to swallow watchtower camels. YOu seem to want to be so prim and proper and correct, but yet you use a name that m ay not even be close to Gods name.

Which doesn't matter now anyway for Yahweh has given Jesus the name that is above all names-even Yahweh!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I am aware that you don't Ron, but at any rate, God's people are not left out in the cold, as Jesus promised a faithful slave during his presence, and they sure feed us well as you have shown in multiple posts.

No doubt when someone asks a simple question about who satan is, even without a watchtower, I would think they would be able to answer it sir.

Even the most biblically illiterate can give a fairly accurate answer as to who Satan is. and your point?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Jesus said: (Luke 22:19, 20) . . .Also, he took a loaf, gave thanks, broke it, and gave it to them, saying: “This means my body, which is to be given in your behalf. Keep doing this in remembrance of me.” 20 Also, he did the same with the cup after they had the evening meal, saying: “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in your behalf.

I believe it sir.

Too bad because Jesus never said--"means" that is a lousy mistranslation from the lousy mistranslators of the New Word Mistranslation.

 

[Keiw]

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• Col 2:9 . . It is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells
bodily.

The Greek word for "divine quality" is theóteetos which means: divinity

Seeing as how theóteetos is modified by the Greek definite article "teés" then
what we're looking at here in Col 2:9 isn't nondescript divinity, but rather
the divinity. In other words: we're looking at all the fullness of Jehovah's
divinity. So then Jesus' qualities aren't merely like a god's, they're the real
McCoy.
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Being divine doesnt make that one God. Jesus is Gods image( Coll 1:15) an image is NEVER the real McCoy.

 

[Keiw]

I do know what He actually teaches. And have been passing those teachings down for 49 years now! Thank you. And no the JW's do not have bibles in every translation. for their are written languages that weere created by Christian groups so they could write the bible in languages that had no written language. But Just having bibles in every language doesn't make a group right or wrong!

Once again if you trusted the bible as gods WQord you would be a Christian and not a JW. for even the Watchtower said if one reads the Bible alone they will be in darkness and rever5t to teh teachings of Christianity.

Gods Word says: " Every word of God is pure" and is a "lamp to our feet and a light to our path"

but the Watchtower declares, it is their printed materials that give you light and not he Bible- because you are too stupid to understand it without their books!

How very dark age Catholic, Branch Davidian, Peoples Temple, Father Divine of them!!!!

Not one on earth can understand revelation without being taught by Jesus' real teachers. If you know what Jesus teaches then you didnt change the doctrine he taught and thus teach the following--Every real follower already knows this teaching--Matt 6:33--Therefore, keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added.( sustenance, covering, spirituality)
I know you dont teach this correctly, no trinity religion does. They teach all to seek Jesus righteousness because they do not know him. Nor listen to him.

 

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• Heb 1:3 . . He is the reflection of His glory and the exact representation of
His very being, and he sustains all things

The Greek word translated "exact representation" pertains to duplication, i.e.
a perfect copy which is quite a bit different than Adam's description.

• Gen 1:27 . . And God proceeded to create the man in His image, in God’s
image He created him

The Hebrew word translated "image" pertains to shadows, i.e. silhouettes,
rather than a copy and/or a duplicate.

BTW: Heb 1:3 is the only place in the entire New Testament where the Greek
word for "exact representation" occurs.
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the Watchtower declares, it is their printed materials that give you light and not he Bible
because you are too [redacted] to understand it without their books!

John Que and Jane Doe rank and file JW are at a bit of a disadvantage. They
lack the anointing spoken of by 1John 2:26-27 consequently they are heavily
dependent upon experts to tutor them thru the Bible.

I spoke with an experienced JW about this and he said, in so many words,
that he not only lacked the anointing in this life, but fully expected to remain
deprived of it in the next. In other words: his non-anointed situation is
permanent; which is very unfortunate because one of the purposes of the
anointing is to protect folks from misleading, and to keep them in union with
the Son.
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[Ronald Nolette]

Not one on earth can understand revelation without being taught by Jesus' real teachers. If you know what Jesus teaches then you didnt change the doctrine he taught and thus teach the following--Every real follower already knows this teaching--Matt 6:33--Therefore, keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added.( sustenance, covering, spirituality)
I know you dont teach this correctly, no trinity religion does. They teach all to seek Jesus righteousness because they do not know him. Nor listen to him.

And Jesus real teacher is the Holy spirit.

Teh words written and are plain and need no long philosophical explanations like the Watchtower gives.

We need teachers to show us How to apply these to our lives, but not what the Word of God means.

And you do not know me and your sinful presumptiousness is a badge of honor.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

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John Que and Jane Doe rank and file JW are at a bit of a disadvantage. They
lack the anointing spoken of by 1John 2:26-27 consequently they are heavily
dependent upon experts to tutor them thru the Bible.

I spoke with an experienced JW about this and he said, in so many words,
that he not only lacked the anointing in this life, but fully expected to remain
deprived of it in the next. In other words: his non-anointed situation is
permanent; which is very unfortunate because one of the purposes of the
anointing is to protect folks from misleading, and to keep them in union with
the Son.
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And that is what makes this so so so sad!

As Jesus said

Matthew 23:15
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Teh Watchtower brags about it is all over the world- and all it is accomplishing is this!

They openly mock and deride people and teh gullible lap it up!

Just the opposite of what Paul said:

5 But the Jews which believed not, moved with envy, took unto them certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar, and assaulted the house of Jason, and sought to bring them out to the people.

6 And when they found them not, they drew Jason and certain brethren unto the rulers of the city, crying, These that have turned the world upside down are come hither also;

7 Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, one Jesus.

8 And they troubled the people and the rulers of the city, when they heard these things.

9 And when they had taken security of Jason, and of the other, they let them go.

10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.

11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.

Teh Jews in Thesselonica believed because they searched the Scriptures to see if Paul was speaking truth. The Watchtower has put it the other way around!

 

[Aunty Jane]

Teh Jews in Thesselonica believed because they searched the Scriptures to see if Paul was speaking truth. The Watchtower has put it the other way around!

No sorry, those who chose to question the doctrines of Christendom carefully searched the scriptures to see if Christendom's doctrines were scripturally sound, and found to their amazement that NONE of them originated from the Bible but were grafted in later, over ambiguous verses which were never intended to bear the meaning that "the church" gave to them.

Do you have any idea how much of what you accept as truth, is nothing of the sort.....?

I might start a thread to examine some of the more important ones...

Too bad because Jesus never said--"means" that is a lousy mistranslation from the lousy mistranslators of the New Word Mistranslation.

So are you saying that the bread IS Jesus' body....and the wine IS Jesus' blood????
For a Jew that would break God's law. At the time of his death, he only preached to his fellow Jews. Drinking blood was an offense punishable by death. Eating human flesh is right up there on the "eeeewe" scale as well. How disgusting!
Since the bread and wine are clearly symbols of his sacrifice...."means" is the only appropriate translation....."IS" makes it an abomination.

And Jesus real teacher is the Holy spirit.

If Jesus is God, why would he need the holy spirit to teach him anything? God is all knowing (omniscient) so how could Jesus need to be taught by his other self, something he didn't already know? Do you grasp how ridiculous your doctrine is?

Teh words written and are plain and need no long philosophical explanations like the Watchtower gives.

We need teachers to show us How to apply these to our lives, but not what the Word of God means.

And yet Jesus went to great pains to make sure his apostles understood what he meant.
e.g.....the parable of the "wheat and the weeds" is a good one.....
Matthew 10:36-43....
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”

37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. 39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. 40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!"

How succinct would you like him to be? He identified the devil as the sower of fake "Christianity" in a field that was "the world". The harvest time is fast approaching when the reapers (angels) will gather up those "weeds" and dispose of them permanently....what a large wailing and gnashing of teeth will be seen when the majority who fell for the devil's counterfeit realize too late that they were suckers for the devil's lies.
"Few" are on the road to life for a very good reason. (Matthew 7:13-14) The truth just passes them by....

As Jesus said

Matthew 23:15
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Teh Watchtower brags about it is all over the world- and all it is accomplishing is this!

They openly mock and deride people and teh gullible lap it up!

LOL....you cannot see how this applies to your own teachers?
What JW's do is to try and tell the truth so that honest hearted people can see through the devil's counterfeit.
Look at Christendom as a whole and tell me honestly that Christ is teaching them......what a joke! He must speak with a forked tongue.....
Oh wait a minute...its the other guy who does that....