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Satan is alive, and he's very clever.
He is a perfected deceiver.
He is the "father of lies", and is the author/trainer/master of religious pretense and religious heresy, that sounds legit, because it speaks advanced "christianese" and is often obscured by the misuse of Bible verses.

Satan has had more time with the Greek and the rest of the bible versions than we have, and he understands exactly how to drag you into the book of Hebrews, James, and Matthew before you have understood this.....Hebrews 13:9.
And once he gets you into those epistles, being led there by His "ministers" before you have any revelation of the Grace of God, you can absolutely end up trying to keep yourself saved, completely deceived, faith broken, for the rest of your life.

Satan wants you hung on the Cross of your own self righteousness, trying to keep yourself saved, vs, trusting in Christ to keep you saved.
That's His ultimate ministry regarding a born again believer.
Why?
Because once your faith is ruined, you are useless to God, as a disciple.

Do you believe that you can lose your salvation?
How did that happen?
= False believers, heretics, convinced you. And they do it from the TELEVISION, the PULPIT, from commentaries, and endlessly on Forums do they continually try to do this to you.
Satan is very clever in doing this....> How? ???????????????
He knows that you read.....>"you shall know the CHRISTIAN by their FRUIT".
So, he trains his people to show you fake fruit, and that is how they deceive you.
They FAKE IT.
On a forum for example they post lots of verses they can't explain, and they say.."see there".
They also never talk about the Cross of Christ.
They never talk about the Blood of Jesus.
They have no idea what the Blood Atonement accomplished, or even what it is....

Satan knows how to use the word of God against you, so that he stumbles you with it, using people who are his deceived "ministers of righteousness".
Satan has built thousands of churches doing this, and they are filled to the brim next Sunday, singing songs about "Jesus".

Satan does THIS best...= He makes a theological hybrid out of the real gospel, and it sounds just like the real one.
You'll find this taught all over this forum, and all over any "christian" forum.
Reader, You have to KNOW how to HEAR it, and see it.

Satan created Islam, that is a hybrid of Christianity, complete with a "god", a "prophet", and a "bible" and a coming "savior".
And He created endless "new" bible versions, that are doctrinally and spiritually water down.... confused, contradictory... by making slight omissions and slight doctrinal alterations, and yet, on the front it says .."Holy Bible" and it is Leather bound.

Satan is serious about deceiving you, reader.
He means to do it., and he has all the tools....>He has his people, his bibles, corrupted Latin and Greek manuscripts, "cult" denominations, false churches, fake christian forums, church tradition, TV ministries.......water baptism.
He'll use all of this to keep you from the LIGHT OF LIFE and in the spiritual Darkness.

"Satan comes as an angle of LIGHT.....(false truth)....and his ministers are the ministers of RIGHTEOUSNESS".
They are DARK LIGHTs....
Jesus spoke of them...

Luke 11:35

This means they subvert God's Grace by talking about it in a way that seems true, yet, its actually denying it.
Their church often has a steeple on the top and an enemy of the Cross in the Pulpit.
They change the real gospel that is "Jesus on the Cross" as "the GIFT of Salvation", to a self righteous gospel of works and commandment keeping that has you trying to perform to "stay saved", if they can DECEIVE YOU.

These people are "dark lights".
Satan's ministers teach what JUDE defined as "the error of Cain".
Go and find out what that is, Reader.. as you need to know. !
Paul teaches that when they have your faith corrupted, then you end up.."fallen from Grace"...."bewitched"....and "in the Flesh".
 
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I don’t believe Satan is alive and around today, with the victory of Jesus Christ.
 

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I don’t believe Satan is alive and around today, with the victory of Jesus Christ.

He's very glad you believe that, MatthewG.

It could be tho, that as He is giving His power to the Anti-Christ, who is the Beast, or Satan in the flesh, ... who will reign for 7 yrs, after the Rapture.... when the Great Trib starts..

Listen,
Satan is the god of this world.
Who do you think runs it? Causes the evil. And blinds people's minds so that they don't believe in Jesus and die and go to hell like a bullet?

Jesus didn't deal with Him personally the first time He was here, as He came as the Lamb to be slaughtered for your sins and mine.
When Christ comes back, He's not returning as a meek lamb, a suffering servant... He's going to deal with Satan...and with the unbelievers who are "of your father the devil, and the lusts of YOUR FATHER< you will do".

John 3:36

You'll believe it then Matthew, if you are still down here..., but its best that you believe it now, as wHen you dont understand that Satan's Ministers are here RIGHT NOW doing HIS WILL and HIS WORK.....because you dont believe Satan exists......then when you read Paul who says that Satan comes to YOU, as an "angel of Light".... you wont be ready.
And that is very obvious about you.
You are not ready.

Notice that Paul said this, AFTER= Jesus was back in Heaven..

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2 Corinthians 11:14–15 — English Standard Version (ESV)
14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

2 Corinthians 11:14–15 — King James Version (KJV 1900)
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

2 Corinthians 11:14–15 — New Living Translation (NLT)
14 But I am not surprised! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no wonder that his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. In the end they will get the punishment their wicked deeds deserve.

2 Corinthians 11:14–15 — The New King James Version (NKJV)
14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
 
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Satan is alive, and he's very clever.

Yep, at the moment he can be found in Heaven because the war in heaven is still raging. However, in around 20+years Satan will have been kicked out of heaven down to the face of the earth with all of the other judged entities and imprisoned at that time in the Bottomless pit for 1000 years. When the 1,000 years have been completed, He and all of the other entities will be released for a little while period before they are captured and receive their final punishment.

Shalom
 
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I don’t believe Satan is alive and around today, with the victory of Jesus Christ.
Well at least one person has frankly admitted that he has been deceived by Satan. It is delusional to think that Satan is NOT alive and around at this time. Even Halloween sends you that message.
 

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Yep, at the moment he can be found in Heaven because the war in heaven is still raging.
No. That is incorrect.

Satan (Lucifer) was cast out of the third heaven (God's Heaven) almost immediately after creation. He is now "the prince of the power of THE AIR" which pertains to the atmospheric heaven (the first heaven). The Bible presents three heavens, the third Heaven being the highest. That is where we see the throne of God. But the second heaven is outer space (and space in not infinite, as scientists are now admitting). And the first heaven is the earth's atmosphere (hence "air").

When Lucifer was cast out of God's Heaven, he was allowed to have dominion over the earth's atmosphere. So that is exactly where all his evil angels (spirit beings) reside. Some of them have become demons and enter into humans and animals. But when we read about the war in "heaven" (Revelation 12) that is a reference to the atmospheric heaven. So Michael and his angels will cast Satan and his evil angels down to earth just before the reign of the Antichrist. There is a good possibility that this has already happened, since evil angels seem to have taken control of all the governments of the world, and tyranny has been established through the globalist elites.
 

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Well at least one person has frankly admitted that he has been deceived by Satan. It is delusional to think that Satan is NOT alive and around at this time. Even Halloween sends you that message.

Too many commentaries and not nearly enough "Paul's Doctrine", is one of the ways that Satan deceives "believers".

Here is the thing...
You can't lose your Salvation, as How can you get God out of you, once you become the "temple of the Holy Spirit"..
=The blood atonement prevents spiritual union with God from ever being broken again.
So, as the NT says, as Paul teaches, if we lose faith, or if our faith becomes upside down..... God is still faithful to us......
2 Timothy 2:13
See that?
That is one more part of Eternal Security.

However, when a believer's faith becomes Broken, the "doctrines of Devil's" are going to get you.
Why?
Because Spirituality is the real reality., and it has power over you, both Satanic and Of God.
There is no..>"well, i'll just live my life and make my choices".
Well, not really, Reader.........not if you think that you can live a life of non-deception as an unbeliever, when Satan uses very little effort to have most of the born again running around in theological circles, and trying to stay saved.

Having free will does not protect anyone from being deceived, and the non-believers already belong to the Devil, their spiritual father, until they are Spiritually BORN AGAIN, by Almighty God, The Holy Spirit.

"God is A Spirit".

Here is the reality....

All Salvation really is, is a eternal change : of spiritual fathers.....yet, Christians are not taught to understand their redemption exactly like that, and that is one of the reasons they are so easily led into Legalism by Satan's "ministers".
WHen you become a Son/Daughter of GOD, you have become the heavenly child of a different spiritual =Father.

That is to be : BORN.....again.
 
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You are not speaking about the 3rd heaven.
As He's not in that one.

No. That is incorrect.

Satan (Lucifer) was cast out of the third heaven (God's Heaven) almost immediately after creation. He is now "the prince of the power of THE AIR" which pertains to the atmospheric heaven (the first heaven). The Bible presents three heavens, the third Heaven being the highest. That is where we see the throne of God. But the second heaven is outer space (and space in not infinite, as scientists are now admitting). And the first heaven is the earth's atmosphere (hence "air").

When Lucifer was cast out of God's Heaven, he was allowed to have dominion over the earth's atmosphere. So that is exactly where all his evil angels (spirit beings) reside. Some of them have become demons and enter into humans and animals. But when we read about the war in "heaven" (Revelation 12) that is a reference to the atmospheric heaven. So Michael and his angels will cast Satan and his evil angels down to earth just before the reign of the Antichrist. There is a good possibility that this has already happened, since evil angels seem to have taken control of all the governments of the world, and tyranny has been established through the globalist elites.

You are both entitled to your respective opinions, but that does not mean that my understanding of the scriptures is wrong either simply based on your opinions.

Isaiah in chapter 24 certainly hints at the fact that God judged the heavenly hosts in heaven, and that also included Satan, because John tells us in the Book of Revelation that Satan was also to be imprisoned in the Bottomless pit just like the other heavenly hosts that were judged in heaven as described by Daniel.

Correction edit: - to the original post in line with what the Bible states.
 
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Satan is alive, and he's very clever.
He is a perfected deceiver.
He is the "father of lies", and is the author/trainer/master of religious pretense and religious heresy, that sounds legit, because it speaks advanced "christianese" and is often obscured by the misuse of Bible verses.

Satan has had more time with the Greek and the rest of the bible versions than we have, and he understands exactly how to drag you into the book of Hebrews, James, and Matthew before you have understood this.....Hebrews 13:9.
And once he gets you into those epistles, being led there by His "ministers" before you have any revelation of the Grace of God, you can absolutely end up trying to keep yourself saved, completely deceived, faith broken, for the rest of your life.

Satan wants you hung on the Cross of your own self righteousness, trying to keep yourself saved, vs, trusting in Christ to keep you saved.
That's His ultimate ministry regarding a born again believer.
Why?
Because once your faith is ruined, you are useless to God, as a disciple.

Do you believe that you can lose your salvation?
How did that happen?
= False believers, heretics, convinced you. And they do it from the TELEVISION, the PULPIT, from commentaries, and endlessly on Forums do they continually try to do this to you.
Satan is very clever in doing this....> How? ???????????????
He knows that you read.....>"you shall know the CHRISTIAN by their FRUIT".
So, he trains his people to show you fake fruit, and that is how they deceive you.
They FAKE IT.
On a forum for example they post lots of verses they can't explain, and they say.."see there".
They also never talk about the Cross of Christ.
They never talk about the Blood of Jesus.
They have no idea what the Blood Atonement accomplished, or even what it is....

Satan knows how to use the word of God against you, so that he stumbles you with it, using people who are his deceived "ministers of righteousness".
Satan has built thousands of churches doing this, and they are filled to the brim next Sunday, singing songs about "Jesus".

Satan does THIS best...= He makes a theological hybrid out of the real gospel, and it sounds just like the real one.
You'll find this taught all over this forum, and all over any "christian" forum.
Reader, You have to KNOW how to HEAR it, and see it.

Satan created Islam, that is a hybrid of Christianity, complete with a "god", a "prophet", and a "bible" and a coming "savior".
And He created endless "new" bible versions, that are doctrinally and spiritually water down.... confused, contradictory... by making slight omissions and slight doctrinal alterations, and yet, on the front it says .."Holy Bible" and it is Leather bound.

Satan is serious about deceiving you, reader.
He means to do it., and he has all the tools....>He has his people, his bibles, corrupted Latin and Greek manuscripts, "cult" denominations, false churches, fake christian forums, church tradition, TV ministries.......water baptism.
He'll use all of this to keep you from the LIGHT OF LIFE and in the spiritual Darkness.

"Satan comes as an angle of LIGHT.....(false truth)....and his ministers are the ministers of RIGHTEOUSNESS".
They are DARK LIGHTs....
Jesus spoke of them...

Luke 11:35

This means they subvert God's Grace by talking about it in a way that seems true, yet, its actually denying it.
Their church often has a steeple on the top and an enemy of the Cross in the Pulpit.
They change the real gospel that is "Jesus on the Cross" as "the GIFT of Salvation", to a self righteous gospel of works and commandment keeping that has you trying to perform to "stay saved", if they can DECEIVE YOU.

These people are "dark lights".
Satan's ministers teach what JUDE defined as "the error of Cain".
Go and find out what that is, Reader.. as you need to know. !
Paul teaches that when they have your faith corrupted, then you end up.."fallen from Grace"...."bewitched"....and "in the Flesh".

You are so very correct Be, satan is extremely talented. Being a god compared to humans it is fairly easy for us to understand how he can mislead us, but he is so talented he was able to turn a third of the angels against Jehovah, that is some accomplishment for a fact. Of course the credit really cannot go to him for that, since they chose personally human women over God, but now their leader is satan.

We have one advantage though, satan cannot influence anyone who chooses to side with Jehovah. We have been given assurance of that sir, so unless an individual lets him in, he is powerless to influence us, but like you say, he is very deceptive, and talented in what he does. Keep in mind though, he uses the same tricks over and over, although they are extremely effective, it benefits us to know what his traps are so we can use our spiritual armor to ward him off.
 

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My belief is that total victory of Jesus…

If Jesus has the victory he has the victory over all things.

That might be a problem for some people to really get into their mind as you know…

There are those out there that are constantly only the fritz and worry of some apocalyptic scenario is gonna play out for them one day because of how bad the world is… they also make sure to share that people are gonna go to hell if they don’t turn to God.

But Jesus is the victor they sing in churches… but wait a minute satan is still around… Jesus didn’t have victory.
 

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But Jesus is the victor they sing in churches… but wait a minute satan is still around… Jesus didn’t have victory.


Neither the Devil nor his works are ended, yet.

The Victory the born again have is OVER the works of the Devil.
 

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Neither the Devil nor his works are ended, yet.

The Victory the born again have is OVER the works of the Devil.

In my case it has been done. It’s alright you can believe whatever you are going to.
 

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In my case it has been done. It’s alright you can believe whatever you are going to.


Satan is not only alive, he's about to show up as the Anti-Christ.

I showed you the verse that Paul wrote, after Jesus called HIM from Heaven to be an Apostle.
This is AFTER the Crucifixion and Ascension Of Christ.
Understand?

Paul wrote that Satan and His ministers are in a battle with the born again.
Paul wrote in 1 Thessalonians 2:18 that he had wanted to come and see them but "SATAN" hindered Him and his group from coming.

So, would you care to name the commentary you are using that has told you that Satan is no longer a problem?
Who wrote it ?
 

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If you’re a person looking to the future you won’t believe this has happened, who wrote about this? John the Apostle:

Revelation 20.
 

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If you’re a person looking to the future you won’t believe this has happened, who wrote about this? John the Apostle:
Revelation 20.

John wrote that while Paul was alive, and dealing with Satan.

John wrote about the great Tribulation, that includes the "anti-Christ".. and it includes what happens to Satan once the Millennial reign of Jesus begins, and what happens with Satan at the end of the Millennial Reign.
 

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John wrote that while Paul was alive, and dealing with Satan.

John wrote about the great Tribulation, that includes the "anti-Christ".. and it includes what happens to Satan once the Millennial reign of Jesus begins, and what happens with Satan at the end of the Millennial Reign.

Yeah I don’t believe like you do, that’s alright though. I believe these happenings were implemented at the fullness of time, 1000 years, when the promised return of Jesus was coming to gather his bride in 70Ad which he promised his apostles he would do.
 

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Yeah I don’t believe like you do, that’s alright though. I believe these happenings were implemented at the fullness of time, 1000 years, when the promised return of Jesus was coming to gather his bride in 70Ad which he promised his apostles he would do.

Preterism is a cult teaching, as you know.

You're deep in it, and that is the Devil's plan for you., as that is what happens when a "doctrine of devils" becomes your belief system.
 

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He's not there yet.

He's still coming as the Anti-Christ, in the Great Trib.

Yes, we agree that Satan is not imprisoned yet in the Bottomless Pit, but it is a near future event like Armageddon when the Kings of the Earth are to be judged at the same time as the heavenly hosts.

And yes, Satan is coming as the "Anti-Christ" during the Great Tribulation, but this event is still a distant future event that happens after the Bottomless pit is unlocked after the 1,000 years of imprisonment has run its course to completion and the little while period commences.

PS: - after reading your post I went back and corrected my post that you had quoted.