The United States of Evil

[aspen]

Please do not be negative about me, especially when I am new here and you do not know me. I came on this site to discuss the truth as I see it.

Jesus said he came to bring not peace but a sword. Sometimes Christians are called upon to be argumentative.

Coming on to a board and being sensational and negative about the United States is going to cause Americans to disagree with you and question your motives - if you live by the sword, you will die by the sword......

 

[rockytopva]

Please do not be negative about me, especially when I am new here and you do not know me. I came on this site to discuss the truth as I see it.

Jesus said he came to bring not peace but a sword. Sometimes Christians are called upon to be argumentative.

I come from a military family and was born on the Marine Corp base at Camp Lejeune, North Carolina. My people served distinguishably also during World War II. As far as I am concerned your posts are screaming...

 

[Peltast]

For the record, both of my grandfathers served in WW2. I accept that many Americans will dislike what I say about their country, but that is no reason for me to remain silent.

As for dying by the sword, I live in the UK, so I will probably either be stabbed to death by a druggie or else die of preventable disease on the third world wards of the NHS.

 

[Foreigner]

I just found out the other day that the USA supported Pakistan in its genocide of up to three million Bengalis back in 1971.

This is in addition to all the other atrocities that the USA has been involved with in the past sixty odd years - Panama, Nicaragua, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Chile.

How can anyone seriously regard the USA as anything other than a country dedicated to the wanton destruction of human life?

-- It would be nice if you actually learned the facts before making outragious claims.

Declassified cables show the U.S. was aware of what they themselves called a 'genocide' but they in no way whatsoever participated in that genocide.
There is absolutely zero evidence anywhere indicating that the U.S. took an active role.


So one would ask, what should have been done?
Military intervention to stop them? Isn't that what you are criticizing the US for in other countries?

You said in your latest post that you live in the UK. You DO know the U.K. has a long history of brutal colonialism going back well before even the birth of the United States, right. Colonialism that included forced slavery, summary executions, torture and imprisonment.


And are you not aware that it was our British colleagues that helped invade and occupy both Iraq and Afghanistan?


And we won't even touch upon their treatment of the citizens of Northern Ireland.


Perhaps before you start complaining about how dirty the back yard of your neighbor is, you should first address your own, hmmmmmmm?

Just a thought.




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[Peltast]

Foreigner, you are right that the UK has a lot of blood on its hands. I never suggested that the opposite was true. For example we do have an unfortunate tendency to follow the USA into wars.

As for the British empire, colonialism was generally beneficial. As for Northern Ireland, the British government did not blow up a church full of people. The Provos did that.

 

[Foreigner]

Foreigner, you are right that the UK has a lot of blood on its hands. I never suggested that the opposite was true. For example we do have an unfortunate tendency to follow the USA into wars.

-- The UK had troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. That means the "blood on their hands" is as recent as it is for the United States.

Ignoring the actions of the country you live in to self-righteously criticize an ally that followed the UK into two wars doesn't pass the smell test.

As for the British empire, colonialism was generally beneficial.

-- LOL For whom?

Do you really think that the countries that for decades experienced bloody invasion and generations of forced slavery, summary executions, torture, imprisonment and rape of natural resources and at the hands of the British empire would feel the experience was "generally beneficial?"

Me thinks not.

As for Northern Ireland, the British government did not blow up a church full of people. The Provos did that.

-- One event to prove the Brits were benevolent but mistreated in Northern Ireland while ignoring the long abusive history of their treatment of the Irish? Oh please.



God's Word applies here perfectly: First plank, THEN splinter.

 

[aspen]

For the record, both of my grandfathers served in WW2. I accept that many Americans will dislike what I say about their country, but that is no reason for me to remain silent.

As for dying by the sword, I live in the UK, so I will probably either be stabbed to death by a druggie or else die of preventable disease on the third world wards of the NHS.

Seems strange that you can stand living in the UK with it's 300 to 500 year record of atrocities, colorization, slavery, religious wars, imperialism, and fleecing of resources from other sovereign nations......how do you sleep at night?

 

[Peltast]

I am not trying to gloss over the crimes of the UK, BUT ...

1 - the problems of Northern Ireland should not be blamed on British governments but on the terrorists who planted the bombs.

2 - the British empire was in many ways beneficial. I know it is not PC to say so, but it is accurate.

British rule did not fleece resources. It introduced resources. Rubber trees are not native to Malaysia.

 

[jiggyfly]

I am not trying to gloss over the crimes of the UK, BUT ...

1 - the problems of Northern Ireland should not be blamed on British governments but on the terrorists who planted the bombs.

2 - the British empire was in many ways beneficial. I know it is not PC to say so, but it is accurate.

British rule did not fleece resources. It introduced resources. Rubber trees are not native to Malaysia.

Your bias is noted.

 

[Foreigner]

British rule did not fleece resources. It introduced resources.

-- True, it 'introduced' blacks took forcefully from Africa to the colonies in the U.S., the West Indies, Jamaica........

 

[Peltast]

And how many of those blacks returned to Africa as soon as slavery ended? Some did, many did not.

Britain ended slavery, and did so peacefully. By contrast, Americans fought to defend slavery in 1836, and when they did eventually abolish slavery they did so by murdering 800,000 people.

 

[Foreigner]

I understand that you have to change the subject to save face, but we were talking about you saying that British colonialism (you know, the brutal invasions, slavery, murder, rape, imprisonment, theft of resources, etc. etc.) was a good thing....

You want to complain about the U.S. but Britain has a much larger and in-depth history of the abuses you are whining about.

And the Iraq and Afghanistan operations you complain about were fully participated in by the Brits.

Your selective outrage grows tiresome.

Please quit being so childish.

 

[Peltast]

I am not being childish, and neither do I have any need to save face.

I have never tried to deny that Britain has been involved in many of the crimes of the USA. As for the British empire, the fact remains that Britain rescued huge numbers of people from poverty, injustice, and ignorance. Why you have to characterise the British empire in purely negative terms I really can't imagine.

 

[jiggyfly]

Pot meet kettle.

 

[aspen]

I am not being childish, and neither do I have any need to save face.

I have never tried to deny that Britain has been involved in many of the crimes of the USA. As for the British empire, the fact remains that Britain rescued huge numbers of people from poverty, injustice, and ignorance. Why you have to characterise the British empire in purely negative terms I really can't imagine.

Good Morning Irony! I think it is going to be a crystal clear day......

 

[Foreigner]

Good Morning Irony! I think it is going to be a crystal clear day......

LOL Spot on.

 

[Peltast]

LOL Spot on.

Spot on in what way please? For some reason I don't always get meaningless comments.

 

[rockytopva]

Peltast... The evil you keep referring to bring up has been instigated by the devil himself. In which we humans do the best we can to try to deal with. God himself had raised up governments to help deal with the evil afoot on planet earth.

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. - Romans 13: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7

Scripturally speaking, that mouth of yours is doing nothing but earning yourself greater damnation.

 

[us2are1]

I just found out the other day that the USA supported Pakistan in its genocide of up to three million Bengalis back in 1971.

This is in addition to all the other atrocities that the USA has been involved with in the past sixty odd years - Panama, Nicaragua, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Chile.

How can anyone seriously regard the USA as anything other than a country dedicated to the wanton destruction of human life?

There is none righteous no not one.

1 Come near, you nations, to hear; And heed, you people! Let the earth hear, and all that is in it, The world and all things that come forth from it.
2 For the indignation of the Lord is against all nations, And His fury against all their armies; He has utterly destroyed them, He has given them over to the slaughter.
3 Also their slain shall be thrown out; Their stench shall rise from their corpses, And the mountains shall be melted with their blood.

 

[Peltast]

Peltast... The evil you keep referring to bring up has been instigated by the devil himself. In which we humans do the best we can to try to deal with. God himself had raised up governments to help deal with the evil afoot on planet earth.

And yet time and time again it appears to be governments that are enacting the evil in the world. Do you sincerely believe that every government in history was appointed by God to help deal with evil?

Also, do you think we are doing "the best we can" (as you put it) if we try to gloss over the crimes of governments?

Scripturally speaking, that mouth of yours is doing nothing but earning yourself greater damnation.

Would you care to rephrase that? Is your mouth earning you greater damnation? Please explain.