2 Peter 3:10 The Big Whoosh

[CadyandZoe]

Very well put together video. Pity the detail that you present is not true.

Nowhere does Peter teach that the day of the Lord equals a literal period of one thousand years+ and an unknown period of time after that for Satan’s little season.

Thanks for the positive comments.

I argued in my video that Peter wrote his second epistle "by way of reminder." He doesn't need to repeat things his readers already know. If one takes 2 Peter 3:10 at face value, one arrives at the wrong conclusion because Peter was being concise for the sake of efficiency, relying on a shared body of knowledge with his readers. What fault do you find in that argument?

 

[WPM]

Thanks for the positive comments.

I argued in my video that Peter wrote his second epistle "by way of reminder." He doesn't need to repeat things his readers already know. If one takes 2 Peter 3:10 at face value, one arrives at the wrong conclusion because Peter was being concise for the sake of efficiency, relying on a shared body of knowledge with his readers. What fault do you find in that argument?

According to who? You? That is because to take it literal and straightforwardly would demolish your doctrine. You have to explain it away. The reality is: it is talking about a day arriving unexpectedly for the unregenerate mockers that will spend the end for them, this world and this corrupted creation all around us. This demolishes your whole thesis. Like the rest of Scripture, the second coming is climactic. It is indeed the end.

Wherever one locates the day of the Lord we surely know it arrives “as a thief in the night” (or suddenly) “in which” or “wherein” certain things occur. What are these things that accompany the arrival of the day of the Lord? The above reading demonstrates how the day of the Lord “will come” suddenly “as a thief in the night; in which”:

· The heavens shall pass away / perish with a great noise.
· The elements shall be ‘loosed by being set on fire’,
· The earth shall be ‘burned up utterly / consumed wholly.
· The works that are within the earth shall be ‘burned up utterly / consumed wholly.

And continues, “seeing then that all these things (that is 1-4) shall be luomenoon or dissolved / burned up utterly / consumed wholly. The old order of affairs is completely consumed by fire in a climactic conflagration in order to make way for the new eternal state. One cannot imagine how the Holy Spirit could have made the awful nature and full extent of God’s judgment any plainer to the human mind in this passage. This passage agrees totally with the all-consummating character of every other explicit Second coming passage in Scripture; the day of the Lord sees the immediate destruction of the old heavens, elements and old earth, and the introduction of the “new heavens and a new earth” (2 Peter 3:13).

So this is either a destructive fiery event that accompanies the coming of Christ or it is describes a 1,000 year-day of the Lord destructive fiery millennium (the opposite of what Premil portray in their writings).

 

[ewq1938]

Well ewq1938,
What do you make of verse 4?

That is part of a different subject than later in the chapter.

 

[CadyandZoe]

According to who? You? That is because to take it literal and straightforwardly would demolish your doctrine. You have to explain it away. The reality is: it is talking about a day arriving unexpectedly for the unregenerate mockers that will spend the end for them, this world and this corrupted creation all around us. This demolishes you whole thesis. Like the rest of Scripture, the second coming is climactic. It is indeed the end.

Wherever one locates the day of the Lord we surely know it arrives “as a thief in the night” (or suddenly) “in which” or “wherein” certain things occur. What are these things that accompany the arrival of the day of the Lord? The above reading demonstrates how the day of the Lord “will come” suddenly “as a thief in the night; in which”:

· The heavens shall pass away / perish with a great noise.
· The elements shall be ‘loosed by being set on fire’,
· The earth shall be ‘burned up utterly / consumed wholly.
· The works that are within the earth shall be ‘burned up utterly / consumed wholly.

And continues, “seeing then that all these things (that is 1-4) shall be luomenoon or dissolved / burned up utterly / consumed wholly. The old order of affairs is completely consumed by fire in a climactic conflagration in order to make way for the new eternal state. One cannot imagine how the Holy Spirit could have made the awful nature and full extent of God’s judgment any plainer to the human mind in this passage. This passage agrees totally with the all-consummating character of every other explicit Second coming passage in Scripture; the day of the Lord sees the immediate destruction of the old heavens, elements and old earth, and the introduction of the “new heavens and a new earth” (2 Peter 3:13).

So this is either a destructive fiery event that accompanies the coming of Christ or it is describes a 1,000 year-day of the Lord destructive fiery millennium (the opposite of what Premil portray in their writings).

According to reason and observation. To take it literally and straightforwardly is not the way Peter meant it according to Peter himself.

 

[WPM]

According to reason and observation. To take it literally and straightforwardly is not the way Peter meant it according to Peter himself.

Yes it is! You're not the Holy Spirit. You have to explain this away as it demolishes your thesis. This is one of countless examples that prove Amils are the consistent Literalists.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Yes it is! You're not the Holy Spirit. You have to explain this away as it demolishes your thesis. This is one of countless examples that prove Amils are the consistent Literalists.

"I'm sorry, will this be the five minute argument or the full half hour?" Monty Python - "Argument"

 

[Christian Gedge]

Hi Cady, Zoe and all. Please see my attached file on the Day of the Lord. Several years ago I gathered all Bible references, each in their context and laid them side by side in order to get a clearer picture of what it was.

The attached PDF needs to be printed out because it is in columns - John, Jesus, Isaiah, Joel, Zephaniah, Peter, Paul. (Please note in Jesus' case he did not explicitly use the term 'Day of the Lord', but Matt. 24:29 is a direct quote from Isaiah 13:10 implying the same event.)

Enjoy

 

[Keraz]

I see that no-one addresses my post #8, In it I prove that there will be a Day of the Lord, when He sends His fiery wrath to change the world and commence the end times events. As Peter describes and Prophesied in over 100 other scriptures.
Then; after all that is Prophesied from Revelation 6:12 to Revelation 19:10, - Jesus will Return, on the great Day of Almighty God; Revelation 16:14b. As the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
Jesus will kill all the ungodly people gathered at Armageddon, by the power of His Word. Zechariah 14:3-21, Revelation 19:17-21

But that is not the end, Jesus will reign for the next thousand years, as is stated in Rev 20 and in the fact of there having passed 6000 years of mankind when Jesus Returns, so the final 1000 years must come for the 7000 year decreed by God for mankind to be fulfilled.

 

[The PuP]

I don't see any timing clues in his exhortation. As he says, the day of the Lord comes like a thief in the night, which means that his coming is indeterminate. All we really know is that the promise hasn't been fulfilled yet and some people will grow impatient.
What did you have in mind?

I guess what I would say is that the promise that Peter is referring to is not in itself "to come back", but it is rather what will be the result of him coming back. He is coming back for the express purpose of judging the world. And that judgment is what is found in what he says in John 5. "All judgment" refers to judgment of the resurrection, which only has two options: the resurrection of life or the resurrection of damnation, i.e. eternal life or eternal damnation. It's one or the other and because Jesus is/ became the Son "of man", he has the ultimate and authoritative say in who is to receive the resurrection of life, and conversely those who don't receive the resurrection of life will receive the resurrection of damnation. And we will receive the resurrection of life for holding fast our faith in Jesus, even unto death. What Peter is speaking of when he talks of this promise of eternal life, is the salvation of the soul, when the daystar arises in our hearts that will occur at his coming/ appearing. Scoffers will say [in the future] where is the promise of his coming, i.e. eternal life?
Briefly, Peter is saying that (wickedly minded) scoffers will come IN THE LAST DAYS mocking God because they seemingly have escaped the judgment of Christ that failed to materialize 'at his coming. Their belief is simply this: that God will judge everyone at his coming, both the righteous and wicked. What they will eventually say, is that there is no judgment of God upon the wicked. Christ will come (his coming at the parousia) and the world will still be full of wicked men, saying that the world continues on (after some very horrendous days have come and gone) even as since the creation. It will be like unto the world after the flood... life goes on... there is no judgment on the wicked [NOT TRUE].

I will not use this post to explain why Peter uses the phrase "in the last days", to actually tell us that those days (in which Peter lived) were not the last days at that time, but he was referring to a future time that would come. Maybe in my next reply. Hint: the "last days" found in Joel 2:28 and 2Pet3 are both yet future.
Be Blessed
The PuP

 

[CadyandZoe]

Hi Cady, Zoe and all. Please see my attached file on the Day of the Lord. Several years ago I gathered all Bible references, each in their context and laid them side by side in order to get a clearer picture of what it was.

The attached PDF needs to be printed out because it is in columns - John, Jesus, Isaiah, Joel, Zephaniah, Peter, Paul. (Please note in Jesus' case he did not explicitly use the term 'Day of the Lord', but Matt. 24:29 is a direct quote from Isaiah 13:10 implying the same event.)

Enjoy

Thanks so much for your hard work. I have downloaded it and will study it.

 

[Truth7t7]

I don't see any timing clues in his exhortation. As he says, the day of the Lord comes like a thief in the night, which means that his coming is indeterminate. All we really know is that the promise hasn't been fulfilled yet and some people will grow impatient.
What did you have in mind?

The Day Of The Lord Is Sudden In Destruction, The World Won't Escape

A Far Cry From The False Claims Of Many That The Day Of The Lord Is 1,000 Literal Years Long, Laughable

1 Thessalonians 5:1-4KJV
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

 

[CadyandZoe]

I guess what I would say is that the promise that Peter is referring to is not in itself "to come back", but it is rather what will be the result of him coming back. He is coming back for the express purpose of judging the world. And that judgment is what is found in what he says in John 5. "All judgment" refers to judgment of the resurrection, which only has two options: the resurrection of life or the resurrection of damnation, i.e. eternal life or eternal damnation. It's one or the other and because Jesus is/ became the Son "of man", he has the ultimate and authoritative say in who is to receive the resurrection of life, and conversely those who don't receive the resurrection of life will receive the resurrection of damnation. And we will receive the resurrection of life for holding fast our faith in Jesus, even unto death. What Peter is speaking of when he talks of this promise of eternal life, is the salvation of the soul, when the daystar arises in our hearts that will occur at his coming/ appearing. Scoffers will say [in the future] where is the promise of his coming, i.e. eternal life?
Briefly, Peter is saying that (wickedly minded) scoffers will come IN THE LAST DAYS mocking God because they seemingly have escaped the judgment of Christ that failed to materialize 'at his coming. Their belief is simply this: that God will judge everyone at his coming, both the righteous and wicked. What they will eventually say, is that there is no judgment of God upon the wicked. Christ will come (his coming at the parousia) and the world will still be full of wicked men, saying that the world continues on (after some very horrendous days have come and gone) even as since the creation. It will be like unto the world after the flood... life goes on... there is no judgment on the wicked [NOT TRUE].

I will not use this post to explain why Peter uses the phrase "in the last days", to actually tell us that those days (in which Peter lived) were not the last days at that time, but he was referring to a future time that would come. Maybe in my next reply. Hint: the "last days" found in Joel 2:28 and 2Pet3 are both yet future.
Be Blessed
The PuP

Okay, thanks for helping me understand your view better. I was wondering why you think that Peter's wording necessarily indicates that the day of the Lord is a single day of judgment, ruling out the possibility that judgment comes at the end of a longer period of time?

 

[CadyandZoe]

The Day Of The Lord Is Sudden In Destruction, The World Won't Escape

A Far Cry From The False Claims Of Many That The Day Of The Lord Is 1,000 Literal Years Long, Laughable

1 Thessalonians 5:1-4KJV
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

Did you watch my video? I ask because I find it interesting that you quoted 1 Thessalonians 5, where Paul associates the Day of the Lord with childbirth. Jesus himself describes wars and rumors of wars as birth pangs. The essential point concerning childbirth is the fact that the pregnant women suffers pain and discomfort during her pregnancy in anticipation of a positive outcome. The suffering eventually ends up in intense joy and happiness when the baby arrives.

Does a baby come like a thief in the night? Not really. Although the pregnant woman doesn't know the exact day, it isn't as if the baby is unexpected and it isn't as if she doesn't know when the day is approaching. Her body is changing so drastically that she can't help but remain alert and she is fully aware of what is going on. Believers are supposed to be like the pregnant woman, fully alert and ready (prepared) for the baby to come.

The day of the Lord consists not only of sudden destruction for some, it consists of sudden joy and happiness for others. The birth of the baby is not the end of the matter. It is only the beginning. There is nothing in 1 Thessalonians 5 that disallows a thousand year period of God's rule on earth during which he will vindicate his holy name.

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For further information see my video "How to prepare for what's coming."

 

[Truth7t7]

Did you watch my video? I ask because I find it interesting that you quoted 1 Thessalonians 5, where Paul associates the Day of the Lord with childbirth. Jesus himself describes wars and rumors of wars as birth pangs. The essential point concerning childbirth is the fact that the pregnant women suffers pain and discomfort during her pregnancy in anticipation of a positive outcome. The suffering eventually ends up in intense joy and happiness when the baby arrives.

Does a baby come like a thief in the night? Not really. Although the pregnant woman doesn't know the exact day, it isn't as if the baby is unexpected and it isn't as if she doesn't know when the day is approaching. Her body is changing so drastically that she can't help but remain alert and she is fully aware of what is going on. Believers are supposed to be like the pregnant woman, fully alert and ready (prepared) for the baby to come.

The day of the Lord consists not only of sudden destruction for some, it consists of sudden joy and happiness for others. The birth of the baby is not the end of the matter. It is only the beginning. There is nothing in 1 Thessalonians 5 that disallows a thousand year period of God's rule on earth during which he will vindicate his holy name.

__________________________
For further information see my video "How to prepare for what's coming."

"IN The Day" When The Son Of Man Is Revealed

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

[CadyandZoe]

"IN The Day" When The Son Of Man Is Revealed

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Jesus refers to the run-up to the day of the Lord, which is filled with fire, smoke, and destruction. This situation is NOT the big whoosh, which takes place at the end of the world, but another destruction which is centered in the Middle east.

 

[Zao is life]

Hi all,
I just finished my latest video, which was inspired by my discussion with folks on the thread concerning Amillennialism. I want to thank all those who stuck with me and helped me understand the topic better.

Here is a link to the video.

Title: The Big Whoosh 2Peter 3:10

Opening line: Today we are going to examine 2 Peter chapter 3. Peter will mention the Day of the Lord and the Second Coming of Christ, but his main point is focused on the believer's standpoint with regard to the total destruction of the heavens and the earth, or what I am calling the “Big Whoosh” based on Peter's remark that the heavens and earth will pass away with a roar.

I hope you enjoy it. Let me know what you think.

@WPM @Spiritual Israelite @Timtofly @Truth7t7 @covenantee @Randy Kluth @jeffweeder @Marty fox @Charlie24 @stunnedbygrace @The Light

I was not invited but I would like to comment. It's a very well-presented video, but I hope you will consider these facts also. I have a question I'd like to ask you at the bottom of this post:

Let me first just say that If you'll pardon the pun, heaven and earth do not depend on how we interpret 2 Peter 3:10-12, but there is something I don't understand about the way most interpret it, which I'd like to get your comment on:

Bear in mind that the context of these three verses is the fact that Peter had been talking about the lawless deeds of false teachers and false prophets (chapter 2), and after speaking about how these will be utterly consumed when the Lord appears, and replaced with a New Heavens and a New Earth where righteousness dwells, he goes back in typical "Markan sandwich" style to a final mention (2 Peter 3:16-18) of the lawless deeds of the false prophets and false teachers that he began speaking about in 2 Peter Chapter 2.

The works of men and the chemical elements of the earth and the heavens?

1 Corinthians 3:13
"Each one's work [érgon] shall be revealed. For the Day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try each one's work as to what kind it is.

1. In the very, very long list of verses where the word appears, and without even one exception, érgon (works) refers to either the words of God / Christ, or of men, or of Satan (the vast majority of times it refers to the works of men). I can supply the list but the list of verses using this word is very long. This post is already long enough.

2. In all the other New Testament verses where it's used, the word stoicheîon only refers to the rudiments of this world - never to the physical elements of the earth: Galatians 4:3; Galatians 4:9; Colossians 2:8; Colossians 2:20; Hebrews 5:12. (each verse quoted below).

3. In every verse it's found, the word parérchomai is used interchangeably for "passing by", "passing closeby", "coming near" or "to seize upon, to come upon" (the list is provided in a table below this article). Here is an example:

Acts 24:7:
"But the chief captain Lysias came upon [parérchomai] us, and with great violence took him away out of our hands."

Seize upon / come upon / come near:

Luke 12:37; Acts 24:7 (quoted above).

Past / passing / passing by / passing nearby or close-by:

Matthew 8:28; Matthew 14:15; Matthew 26:39; Matthew 24:34-35; Mark 6:48; Luke 18:37; Acts 16:18; Acts 27:9; 2 Corinthians 5:17; James 1:10; 1 Peter 4:3; Luke 11:42; Luke 15:29.

Galatians 4:3:
Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements [stoicheîon] of the world

Galatians 4:9:
But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements [stoicheîon], whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

Colossians 2:8:
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments [stoicheîon] of the world, and not after Christ.

Colossians 2:20:
Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments [stoicheîon] of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances?

Hebrews 5:12:
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles [stoicheîon] of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

You can go through all the Greek words used in 2 Peter 3:10-12 and see what the same word means in EVERY OTHER New Testament verse it's found in, and you will discover that the meaning given 2 Peter 3:10-12 by the English translation of the passage ascribes a completely different meaning to the same words.

Why?

But if we remain consistent with the meaning of the words wherever else they appear in the New Testament, we get this:

"The day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night. On that day the heavens will seize upon [parérchomai] men with a rushing noise, burning up their works [érgon] and melting the rudiments of this world [stoicheîon] with fervent heat."

THIS IS HOW IT HAS BEEN TRANSLATED INTO ENGLISH:

"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall [parérchomai] PASS AWAY with a great noise,

and the [stoicheîon] ELEMENTS shall be dissolved [lýō] with fervent heat [kausóō], the earth also and the [érgon] WORKS that are THEREIN shall be burned up [katakaíō].

There is also a lot of metaphor employed in biblical scripture dealing with the day God's judgment comes upon a nation or nations - whether it be Babylon, or the beast at the close of this Age, for example:

Psalm 75:7-8
"But God is the judge; He puts down one and sets up another. For in the hand of the LORD there is a cup, and the wine is red; it is fully mixed; and He pours out from it; but the dregs of it, all the wicked of the earth shall drain its dregs and drink."

Psalm 75:2-3
"When I take the appointed time, I will judge uprightly. The earth and all its people are melting away; I hold up its pillars. Selah."

Question: Do you believe that we should ignore what the words used in 2 Peter 3:10-12 mean in every other verse in scripture where they are used when interpreting what they mean in 2 Peter 3:10-12?

 

[Keraz]

Jesus refers to the run-up to the day of the Lord, which is filled with fire, smoke, and destruction. This situation is NOT the big whoosh, which takes place at the end of the world, but another destruction which is centered in the Middle east.

Yes; If we follow the given sequence of Revelation, the Sixth Seal will be the event when the Lord will arise and destroy His enemies, specifically those who attempt to 'wipe Israel off the map'. Over 100 Prophesies describe this sudden and shocking day of earthquakes, storms. tsunamis and extreme heat. Psalms 83:1-18, Revelation 6:12-17, Hebrews 10:27, +

It should be obvious to all, that the Seals must be opened before the rest of the Scroll can be read and take place. Obviously: the first five Seals are open and we have experienced the wars, famines, plagues and the Christian martyrs have been and still are being killed for their faith.

The ONLY destruction that Jesus will do at His Return, is to wipe out the armies of Satan and He does not use fire to do it. Revelation 19:15, paralleled by: Revelation 14:14-16
It isn't until after the Millennium, that God will use fire to remake the earth and the heavens. THEN, it will be a spiritual existence and Death will be no more.

 

[CadyandZoe]

I was not invited but I would like to comment. It's a very well-presented video, but I hope you will consider these facts also. I have a question I'd like to ask you at the bottom of this post:

Let me first just say that If you'll pardon the pun, heaven and earth do not depend on how we interpret 2 Peter 3:10-12, but there is something I don't understand about the way most interpret it, which I'd like to get your comment on:

Bear in mind that the context of these three verses is the fact that Peter had been talking about the lawless deeds of false teachers and false prophets (chapter 2), and after speaking about how these will be utterly consumed when the Lord appears, and replaced with a New Heavens and a New Earth where righteousness dwells, he goes back in typical "Markan sandwich" style to a final mention (2 Peter 3:16-18) of the lawless deeds of the false prophets and false teachers that he began speaking about in 2 Peter Chapter 2.

The works of men and the chemical elements of the earth and the heavens?

1 Corinthians 3:13
"Each one's work [érgon] shall be revealed. For the Day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try each one's work as to what kind it is.

1. In the very, very long list of verses where the word appears, and without even one exception, érgon (works) refers to either the words of God / Christ, or of men, or of Satan (the vast majority of times it refers to the works of men). I can supply the list but the list of verses using this word is very long. This post is already long enough.

2. In all the other New Testament verses where it's used, the word stoicheîon only refers to the rudiments of this world - never to the physical elements of the earth: Galatians 4:3; Galatians 4:9; Colossians 2:8; Colossians 2:20; Hebrews 5:12. (each verse quoted below).

3. In every verse it's found, the word parérchomai is used interchangeably for "passing by", "passing closeby", "coming near" or "to seize upon, to come upon" (the list is provided in a table below this article). Here is an example:

Acts 24:7:
"But the chief captain Lysias came upon [parérchomai] us, and with great violence took him away out of our hands."

Seize upon / come upon / come near:

Luke 12:37; Acts 24:7 (quoted above).

Past / passing / passing by / passing nearby or close-by:

Matthew 8:28; Matthew 14:15; Matthew 26:39; Matthew 24:34-35; Mark 6:48; Luke 18:37; Acts 16:18; Acts 27:9; 2 Corinthians 5:17; James 1:10; 1 Peter 4:3; Luke 11:42; Luke 15:29.

Galatians 4:3:
Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements [stoicheîon] of the world

Galatians 4:9:
But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements [stoicheîon], whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

Colossians 2:8:
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments [stoicheîon] of the world, and not after Christ.

Colossians 2:20:
Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments [stoicheîon] of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances?

Hebrews 5:12:
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles [stoicheîon] of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

You can go through all the Greek words used in 2 Peter 3:10-12 and see what the same word means in EVERY OTHER New Testament verse it's found in, and you will discover that the meaning given in 2 Peter 3:10-12 ascribes a completely different meaning to the same words.

Why?

But if we remain consistent with the meaning of the words wherever else they appear in the New Testament, we get this:

"The day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night. On that day the heavens will seize upon [parérchomai] men with a rushing noise, burning up their works [érgon] and melting the rudiments of this world [stoicheîon] with fervent heat."

THIS IS HOW IT HAS BEEN TRANSLATED INTO ENGLISH:

"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall [parérchomai] PASS AWAY with a great noise,

and the [stoicheîon] ELEMENTS shall be dissolved [lýō] with fervent heat [kausóō], the earth also and the [érgon] WORKS that are THEREIN shall be burned up [katakaíō].

There is also a lot of metaphor employed in biblical scripture dealing with the day God's judgment comes upon a nation or nations - whether it be Babylon, or the beast at the close of this Age, for example:

Psalm 75:7-8
"But God is the judge; He puts down one and sets up another. For in the hand of the LORD there is a cup, and the wine is red; it is fully mixed; and He pours out from it; but the dregs of it, all the wicked of the earth shall drain its dregs and drink."

Psalm 75:2-3
"When I take the appointed time, I will judge uprightly. The earth and all its people are melting away; I hold up its pillars. Selah."

Question: Do you believe that we should ignore what the words used in 2 Peter 3:10-12 mean in every other verse in scripture where they are used when interpreting what they mean in 2 Peter 3:10-12?

First of all, I didn't mean to exclude anyone with my list. I'm glad you felt free to respond and join the conversation.

I would say, no, we should not ignore what the words mean in other contexts as we interpret and understand what Peter wrote. But we must strive to understand what Peter meant to say. Peter's second epistle should be understood the way Peter meant it to be understood.

I strongly agree with your two approaches to the task: 1) take into account what came before and what comes after the text under examination. Ideas tend to flow like a river. The text under review is like a bridge and interpreters are standing on that bridge. In order to fully comprehend the text, the interpreter considers both the flow upstream and the flow down stream of the bridge. 2) examine how words are used in other contexts.

I think both of these tasks are important to fully understanding the text. So no, I don't think we should ignore how the words are used elsewhere. But, and I also think this is important. I never discount the idea that the Biblical author might use a word in a novel way. Again, I want to know how Peter is using the word in the immediate context, and if I suspect that the other meanings don't seem to fit, then I am open to a novel meaning.

I can't address your entire post, but I will share with you a point that I seriously considered, which you might find helpful in your own studies. The Greek word translated "world" is κόσμος, which refers to any ordered system.

Given this, let's look at a passage you already mentioned. Galatians 4:3

4:1 Now I say, as long as the heir is a child, he does not differ at all from a slave although he is owner of everything, 2 but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by the father. 3 So also we, while we were children, were held in bondage under the elemental things of the world. 4 But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, 5 so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. 6 Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7 Therefore you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God.
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We see from this example that τὰ στοιχεῖα τοῦ κόσμου is rendered "the elemental things of the world" but Paul's subject matter isn't the world. He isn't talking about the elements of this physical world, or even the fundamental things of the current culture or political structure. The subject matter in this context is the Law, and the fact that the Jewish people were held under the law as a guardian. Jesus was born of a women, born under the law, that he might redeem those who were under the law. In my opinion then, the τὰ στοιχεῖα τοῦ κόσμου refers to the elementary principles of the Jewish legal system. The Jewish people were under bondage to the rudiments of the Jewish praxis. I think Colossians and Hebrews are also talking about the rudiments of the Jewish law.

As I studied 2 Peter 3, I seriously considered, but finally rejected this meaning. I don't think Peter is talking about the rudiments of the Jewish praxis. During my studies I was thinking about what a new earth might look like. Is it going to be a brand new planet, is it going to be a refreshed and restored planet or is it going to be the same planet but freed from idolatry and impurity (two issues that came between God and his people) I haven't fully answered that question for myself yet. But regardless of what a new earth might look like, I think Peter's essential point remains the same. Downplay the transitory and focus on the eternal.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Yes; If we follow the given sequence of Revelation, the Sixth Seal will be the event when the Lord will arise and destroy His enemies, specifically those who attempt to 'wipe Israel off the map'. Over 100 Prophesies describe this sudden and shocking day of earthquakes, storms. tsunamis and extreme heat. Psalms 83:1-18, Revelation 6:12-17, Hebrews 10:27, +

It should be obvious to all, that the Seals must be opened before the rest of the Scroll can be read and take place. Obviously: the first five Seals are open and we have experienced the wars, famines, plagues and the Christian martyrs have been and still are being killed for their faith.

The ONLY destruction that Jesus will do at His Return, is to wipe out the armies of Satan and He does not use fire to do it. Revelation 19:15, paralleled by: Revelation 14:14-16
It isn't until after the Millennium, that God will use fire to remake the earth and the heavens. THEN, it will be a spiritual existence and Death will be no more.

I also believe that the prophets speak about a time of destruction, which is relegated to Judea, not the entire world. Joel for example.

 

[Nancy]

I always enjoy your videos, and this one was no different. As usual it stirred up all of the right questions for me, and also placed a premium on the relevant concerns we should have--eternal concerns as opposed to temporal concerns.

The things that I have yet to resolve for myself is whether the "destruction of the world" indicates the annihilation of the planet at the end of the Millennium or not? From various Scripture passages, it seems not. A few verses indicate the earth is "forever."

This makes me wonder if Peter's remarks about this universal destruction is just a matter of scraping off the surface pagan civilizations from the planet, while leaving the planet basically intact? After all, the dissolving of elements is nothing more than millions of local fires across the earth.

Each fire dissolves elements, and the purpose seems to be to remove the government and followers of the Antichrist. The destruction of the earth may simply indicate a million fires in cities throughout the world, upending the world control by pagan civilizations and governments?

Thanks again. You make excellent videos. And I absolutely love visuals--it compounds the effectiveness of the message!

I agree with what you say. I think it will be the biggest scorched earth happening ever!