How To Know There Are 5 Beast Kingdoms in Daniel

[Davy]

I didn't recognize it for a long time, and I once believed the Book of Daniel was only revealing 4 beasts, with Rome as the final one. If you make the mistake of joining the part of the beast statue of the feet of part clay mixed with part iron as part of the legs of iron, then you will miss this point.

The "legs of iron" (old pagan Roman empire), and the "feet part of iron and part of clay" are two separate beasts (final Endtime world beast for today, not Rome). Because 'iron' is mentioned again with the feet of part clay and part iron, some believe it means the old Roman empire is to be revived for the end. Some even wrongly give it as being the main head in control at the end, but that is not what is shown here in Daniel 2.

1. "head of fine gold" = Babylon empire under Nebuchadnezzar
2. "his breast and his arms of silver = Medo-Perisa empire
3. "his belly and his thighs of brass" = Alexander's Grecia
4. "legs of iron" = pagan Roman empire
5. "his feet part of iron and part of clay" = FINAL beast for the very END of this world, still coming together today.

Dan 2:34-35
34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
KJV

That "stone" cut out without hands represents our Lord Jesus Christ at His future coming to end the beast kingdoms of this world once and for all time. What does this mean for these 5 PIECES of the beast statue which represent beast kingdoms? Would ALL of those beast kingdom pieces be available to FALL when Jesus as that "stone" comes to smite that beast upon it's WHAT? Upon his feet that were of iron and clay!

What is God's Word pointing to that with smiting? He is showing these pieces of the beast statue ALL EXISTING TOGETHER FOR THE VERY END, with that 5th beast of the feet of clay and iron supporting it! WHY... is God using those different materials to represent those beasts? What's His Message with that?...

What's the heaviest material in that beast statue? The very top, the head of gold. Gold as a natural element is very heavy compared to those other elements mentioned there. Then silver is next, and then brass, then iron, and finally the feet of clay mixed with iron. What is the problem with clay mixed with iron? IT DOES NOT MIX. So what God is showing us it that final beast kingdom of the feet of ten toes made up of clay mixed with iron, is the WEAKEST part of the beast statue! And naturally, a stone smitting its feet is going to bring the WHOLE BEAST PIECES, "together", down to the ground. Because verse 35 above shows ALL those FIVE pieces together when that smitting happens, that reveals what?

Dan 2:41-45
41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
KJV

The above Daniel 2:41-45 verses declare the same thing, the existing of FIVE pieces of the beast statue for the END. And that is setup all the way UNTIL Jesus' future coming to smite that final beast upon its feet of ten toes of part iron mixed with part clay. And only then will Christ's Kingdom be setup on this earth instead with Jesus' future return. Count the number of pieces there again. It is Five, not four.

That is revealing that for the very END of this world, that final beast system of the feet of iron mixed with clay will support a REVIVAL of ALL those PREVIOUS beast systems! So it ain't just gonna' be Rome back to pagan Rome, but also a melting together of ALL the world's religions in one boat for the coming pseudo-Christ to be God over.

 

[Truth7t7]

I didn't recognize it for a long time, and I once believed the Book of Daniel was only revealing 4 beasts, with Rome as the final one. If you make the mistake of joining the part of the beast statue of the feet of part clay mixed with part iron as part of the legs of iron, then you will miss this point.

The "legs of iron" (old pagan Roman empire), and the "feet part of iron and part of clay" are two separate beasts (final Endtime world beast for today, not Rome). Because 'iron' is mentioned again with the feet of part clay and part iron, some believe it means the old Roman empire is to be revived for the end. Some even wrongly give it as being the main head in control at the end, but that is not what is shown here in Daniel 2.

1. "head of fine gold" = Babylon empire under Nebuchadnezzar
2. "his breast and his arms of silver = Medo-Perisa empire
3. "his belly and his thighs of brass" = Alexander's Grecia
4. "legs of iron" = pagan Roman empire
5. "his feet part of iron and part of clay" = FINAL beast for the very END of this world, still coming together today.

Dan 2:34-35
34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
KJV

That "stone" cut out without hands represents our Lord Jesus Christ at His future coming to end the beast kingdoms of this world once and for all time. What does this mean for these 5 PIECES of the beast statue which represent beast kingdoms? Would ALL of those beast kingdom pieces be available to FALL when Jesus as that "stone" comes to smite that beast upon it's WHAT? Upon his feet that were of iron and clay!

What is God's Word pointing to that with smiting? He is showing these pieces of the beast statue ALL EXISTING TOGETHER FOR THE VERY END, with that 5th beast of the feet of clay and iron supporting it! WHY... is God using those different materials to represent those beasts? What's His Message with that?...

What's the heaviest material in that beast statue? The very top, the head of gold. Gold as a natural element is very heavy compared to those other elements mentioned there. Then silver is next, and then brass, then iron, and finally the feet of clay mixed with iron. What is the problem with clay mixed with iron? IT DOES NOT MIX. So what God is showing us it that final beast kingdom of the feet of ten toes made up of clay mixed with iron, is the WEAKEST part of the beast statue! And naturally, a stone smitting its feet is going to bring the WHOLE BEAST PIECES, "together", down to the ground. Because verse 35 above shows ALL those FIVE pieces together when that smitting happens, that reveals what?

Dan 2:41-45
41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
KJV

The above Daniel 2:41-45 verses declare the same thing, the existing of FIVE pieces of the beast statue for the END. And that is setup all the way UNTIL Jesus' future coming to smite that final beast upon its feet of ten toes of part iron mixed with part clay. And only then will Christ's Kingdom be setup on this earth instead with Jesus' future return. Count the number of pieces there again. It is Five, not four.

That is revealing that for the very END of this world, that final beast system of the feet of iron mixed with clay will support a REVIVAL of ALL those PREVIOUS beast systems! So it ain't just gonna' be Rome back to pagan Rome, but also a melting together of ALL the world's religions in one boat for the coming pseudo-Christ to be God over.

(Jerusalem) Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great.

The Levitical High Priest Dressing represents "The Woman", that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen below

(Revelation) 17:4KJV
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Yes "The Woman", The Levitical High Priest, Dressed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones

(Exodus) 28:15-20KJV
15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.
17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.

(Jerusalem) is the seven Mount city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

(Revelation) 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia
Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

(Revelation) 18:24KJV
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

(Matthew) 23:29-37KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Jerusalem (The Woman) that (Great City) as seen below, Jerusalem where Jesus Christ was crucified

Revelation 17:18AKJV
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Revelation 11:8AKJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Jews/Hebrews cast dust upon their heads, weeping for the (Great City) Jerusalem

Revelation 18:19AKJV
19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

 

[Davy]

(Jerusalem) Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great.

The Levitical High Priest Dressing represents "The Woman", that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen below

(Revelation) 17:4KJV
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Yes "The Woman", The Levitical High Priest, Dressed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones
....

Yes I'm aware that Jerusalem will be the "great city" Babylon Harlot for the end of this world. It will be ground zero for the dragon's headquarters over the final beast system covering all nations on earth for the time of great tribulation.

 

[Randy Kluth]

I didn't recognize it for a long time, and I once believed the Book of Daniel was only revealing 4 beasts, with Rome as the final one. If you make the mistake of joining the part of the beast statue of the feet of part clay mixed with part iron as part of the legs of iron, then you will miss this point.

The "legs of iron" (old pagan Roman empire), and the "feet part of iron and part of clay" are two separate beasts (final Endtime world beast for today, not Rome). Because 'iron' is mentioned again with the feet of part clay and part iron, some believe it means the old Roman empire is to be revived for the end. Some even wrongly give it as being the main head in control at the end, but that is not what is shown here in Daniel 2.

1. "head of fine gold" = Babylon empire under Nebuchadnezzar
2. "his breast and his arms of silver = Medo-Perisa empire
3. "his belly and his thighs of brass" = Alexander's Grecia
4. "legs of iron" = pagan Roman empire
5. "his feet part of iron and part of clay" = FINAL beast for the very END of this world, still coming together today.

Dan 2:34-35
34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
KJV

That "stone" cut out without hands represents our Lord Jesus Christ at His future coming to end the beast kingdoms of this world once and for all time. What does this mean for these 5 PIECES of the beast statue which represent beast kingdoms? Would ALL of those beast kingdom pieces be available to FALL when Jesus as that "stone" comes to smite that beast upon it's WHAT? Upon his feet that were of iron and clay!

What is God's Word pointing to that with smiting? He is showing these pieces of the beast statue ALL EXISTING TOGETHER FOR THE VERY END, with that 5th beast of the feet of clay and iron supporting it! WHY... is God using those different materials to represent those beasts? What's His Message with that?...

What's the heaviest material in that beast statue? The very top, the head of gold. Gold as a natural element is very heavy compared to those other elements mentioned there. Then silver is next, and then brass, then iron, and finally the feet of clay mixed with iron. What is the problem with clay mixed with iron? IT DOES NOT MIX. So what God is showing us it that final beast kingdom of the feet of ten toes made up of clay mixed with iron, is the WEAKEST part of the beast statue! And naturally, a stone smitting its feet is going to bring the WHOLE BEAST PIECES, "together", down to the ground. Because verse 35 above shows ALL those FIVE pieces together when that smitting happens, that reveals what?

Dan 2:41-45
41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
KJV

The above Daniel 2:41-45 verses declare the same thing, the existing of FIVE pieces of the beast statue for the END. And that is setup all the way UNTIL Jesus' future coming to smite that final beast upon its feet of ten toes of part iron mixed with part clay. And only then will Christ's Kingdom be setup on this earth instead with Jesus' future return. Count the number of pieces there again. It is Five, not four.

That is revealing that for the very END of this world, that final beast system of the feet of iron mixed with clay will support a REVIVAL of ALL those PREVIOUS beast systems! So it ain't just gonna' be Rome back to pagan Rome, but also a melting together of ALL the world's religions in one boat for the coming pseudo-Christ to be God over.

I had a long conversation about this on a previous forum, now defunct. I base my belief that there are only 4 Kingdoms on 2 basic elements.
1) Dan 2 and 7 relate to the same realities, and they describe only 4 Kingdoms.
2) They are said to be 4 in number.

Dan 2.40 Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom...

It doesn't say "there will be a 4th and 5th Kingdom." It only says there will be a 4th Kingdom. And this Kingdom ends the age.

It is no different in Dan 7. 4 Kingdoms are described with the 4th Kingdom ending the age.

Dan 7.7 After that, in my vision at night I looked, and there before me was a fourth beast.

If the Bible says there are only 4, who am I to correct this and state that there will actually be 5?

 

[Davy]

I had a long conversation about this on a previous forum, now defunct. I base my belief that there are only 4 Kingdoms on 2 basic elements.
1) Dan 2 and 7 relate to the same realities, and they describe only 4 Kingdoms.
2) They are said to be 4 in number.

Dan 2.40 Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom...

It doesn't say "there will be a 4th and 5th Kingdom." It only says there will be a 4th Kingdom. And this Kingdom ends the age.

It is no different in Dan 7. 4 Kingdoms are described with the 4th Kingdom ending the age.

Dan 7.7 After that, in my vision at night I looked, and there before me was a fourth beast.

If the Bible says there are only 4, who am I to correct this and state that there will actually be 5?

Only those who study enough of their Bible to KNOW the final beast system of Revelation 13:1 DOES NOT point to Rome, nor NY, nor Brussels, nor to Assyria, will understand about those FIVE PIECES of the Daniel 2 beast statue.

The old Roman empire did not involve ten kings, nor will the final beast at the end of this world be about Rome.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Only those who study enough of their Bible to KNOW the final beast system of Revelation 13:1 DOES NOT point to Rome, nor NY, nor Brussels, nor to Assyria, will understand about those FIVE PIECES of the Daniel 2 beast statue.

The old Roman empire did not involve ten kings, nor will the final beast at the end of this world be about Rome.

Okay, you don't want to discuss this. You only want to discuss *your beliefs!* I get it.

Enjoy your day, and get out and vote, if you live in the U.S.

 

[Davy]

Okay, you don't want to discuss this. You only want to discuss *your beliefs!* I get it.

Enjoy your day, and get out and vote, if you live in the U.S.

I don't care to discuss men's seminary doctrines which tread outside... God's Word. You haven't even begun to try... to address the Daniel 2 Scriptures I quoted. And I find it actually funny that you even bothered to quote the Daniel 2:40 verse which is NOT within the subject of the Daniel 2:41-45 verses!

So no, I don't have time for your 'toys' in pushing men's doctrines, especially when you show you cannot even stick to those simple verses I quoted in Daniel 2.

 

[Randy Kluth]

I don't care to discuss men's seminary doctrines which tread outside... God's Word. You haven't even begun to try... to address the Daniel 2 Scriptures I quoted. And I find it actually funny that you even bothered to quote the Daniel 2:40 verse which is NOT within the subject of the Daniel 2:41-45 verses!

So no, I don't have time for your 'toys' in pushing men's doctrines, especially when you show you cannot even stick to those simple verses I quoted in Daniel 2.

Why are you angry when people disagree with you? Don't you believe I should grant you the right to disagree with me without me insulting you? I don't push "man's doctrines," and to me these aren't "toys." I can address any part of what you shared. I didn't because the central issue had to do with how many Kingdoms Dan 2 and 7 represent *in my opinion.* But apparently you don't really want opinions--just cheerleaders?

 

[Ronald D Milam]

I didn't recognize it for a long time, and I once believed the Book of Daniel was only revealing 4 beasts, with Rome as the final one. If you make the mistake of joining the part of the beast statue of the feet of part clay mixed with part iron as part of the legs of iron, then you will miss this point.

The "legs of iron" (old pagan Roman empire), and the "feet part of iron and part of clay" are two separate beasts (final Endtime world beast for today, not Rome). Because 'iron' is mentioned again with the feet of part clay and part iron, some believe it means the old Roman empire is to be revived for the end. Some even wrongly give it as being the main head in control at the end, but that is not what is shown here in Daniel 2.

1. "head of fine gold" = Babylon empire under Nebuchadnezzar
2. "his breast and his arms of silver = Medo-Perisa empire
3. "his belly and his thighs of brass" = Alexander's Grecia
4. "legs of iron" = pagan Roman empire
5. "his feet part of iron and part of clay" = FINAL beast for the very END of this world, still coming together today.







Dan 2:41-45
41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
KJV

The above Daniel 2:41-45 verses declare the same thing, the existing of FIVE pieces of the beast statue for the END. And that is setup all the way UNTIL Jesus' future coming to smite that final beast upon its feet of ten toes of part iron mixed with part clay. And only then will Christ's Kingdom be setup on this earth instead with Jesus' future return. Count the number of pieces there again. It is Five, not four.

That is revealing that for the very END of this world, that final beast system of the feet of iron mixed with clay will support a REVIVAL of ALL those PREVIOUS beast systems! So it ain't just gonna' be Rome back to pagan Rome, but also a melting together of ALL the world's religions in one boat for the coming pseudo-Christ to be God over.

I didn't recognize it for a long time, and I once believed the Book of Daniel was only revealing 4 beasts, with Rome as the final one. If you make the mistake of joining the part of the beast statue of the feet of part clay mixed with part iron as part of the legs of iron, then you will miss this point.

The "legs of iron" (old pagan Roman empire), and the "feet part of iron and part of clay" are two separate beasts (final Endtime world beast for today, not Rome). Because 'iron' is mentioned again with the feet of part clay and part iron, some believe it means the old Roman empire is to be revived for the end. Some even wrongly give it as being the main head in control at the end, but that is not what is shown here in Daniel 2.

1. "head of fine gold" = Babylon empire under Nebuchadnezzar
2. "his breast and his arms of silver = Medo-Perisa empire
3. "his belly and his thighs of brass" = Alexander's Grecia
4. "legs of iron" = pagan Roman empire
5. "his feet part of iron and part of clay" = FINAL beast for the very END of this world, still coming together today.

Dan 2:34-35
34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
KJV

That "stone" cut out without hands represents our Lord Jesus Christ at His future coming to end the beast kingdoms of this world once and for all time. What does this mean for these 5 PIECES of the beast statue which represent beast kingdoms? Would ALL of those beast kingdom pieces be available to FALL when Jesus as that "stone" comes to smite that beast upon it's WHAT? Upon his feet that were of iron and clay!

Indeed there are 5, but Daniel 7 shows us this even more so than Dan. ch. 2. Meanwhile I agree, Dan. 2 shows 5 Beasts, but Dan. 7 SPECIFIES that the Last Beast is different than First Beast and it is not speaking about Babylon. Lets look at Dan. 2 first. We have Gold (Babylon) Silver (Persia), Brass (Greece), Iron (Rome) AND (Iron & Clay) The Anti-Christ or Little Horn who is born amongst the 10 (Complete Europe), and what happened to the Roman Empire ?It fell apart, but when the end time Beast comes its the EXACT SAME TERRITORY, in that the E.U. Conquers all of the Mediterranean Sea Region as Dan. 11:40-43 shows. Thus the two maps are almost identical. The Last Beast comes to power amongst a Clay like Kingdom (meaning it is not united......but is instead a collection of Nations trying to BE ONE.)

So, this below is about the Fourth Beast ONLY. Both Rome and the A.C.

Dan. 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth(or the WHOLE LAND being spoke about, the Mediterranean Sea Region or 7 Heads 10 Horns), and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise(Complete Europe): and another shall rise after them(Anti-Christ); and he(A.C.) shall be diverse from the first(Rome), and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words(Rev. 13/Dan. 8) against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. 26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion(Jesus womps him), to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

So, what does the WHOLE EARTH mean verse 23 ? Babylon, Persia and Greece never ruled over every square inch of the Mediterranean Sea Coastline, but Rome did. And so will the Anti-Christ (E.U.) once they conquer Israel and THE MANY in the region as shown in Dan. 11:40-43.



NOW COMPARE THE TWO................




Both have every square inch (The WHOLE EARTH/Land being spoken of) of the Mediterranean Sea Region. None of the other Beasts did this.

The above Daniel 2:41-45 verses declare the same thing, the existing of FIVE pieces of the beast statue for the END. And that is setup all the way UNTIL Jesus' future coming to smite that final beast upon its feet of ten toes of part iron mixed with part clay. And only then will Christ's Kingdom be setup on this earth instead with Jesus' future return. Count the number of pieces there again. It is Five, not four.

That is revealing that for the very END of this world, that final beast system of the feet of iron mixed with clay will support a REVIVAL of ALL those PREVIOUS beast systems! So it ain't just gonna' be Rome back to pagan Rome, but also a melting together of ALL the world's religions in one boat for the coming pseudo-Christ to be God over.

Yes, the base is smote, Jesus is strong, and Satan is weak. Amen.

 

[covenantee]

Daniel's fifth kingdom prophesied:

Daniel 2:44
And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Daniel's fifth kingdom fulfilled:

Matthew 4:23
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Matthew 12:28
But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Luke 12:32
Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

Luke 17:20
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

Luke 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

John 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Acts 8:12
But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

Acts 19:8
And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.

Romans 14:17
For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

Colossians 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Hebrews 12:28
Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

 

[Marilyn C]

I had a long conversation about this on a previous forum, now defunct. I base my belief that there are only 4 Kingdoms on 2 basic elements.
1) Dan 2 and 7 relate to the same realities, and they describe only 4 Kingdoms.
2) They are said to be 4 in number.

Dan 2.40 Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom...

It doesn't say "there will be a 4th and 5th Kingdom." It only says there will be a 4th Kingdom. And this Kingdom ends the age.

It is no different in Dan 7. 4 Kingdoms are described with the 4th Kingdom ending the age.

Dan 7.7 After that, in my vision at night I looked, and there before me was a fourth beast.

If the Bible says there are only 4, who am I to correct this and state that there will actually be 5?

Randy, you are assuming that the great Image and the 4 beasts of Dan. 7 are the same. They are not.

 

[Marilyn C]

I didn't recognize it for a long time, and I once believed the Book of Daniel was only revealing 4 beasts, with Rome as the final one. If you make the mistake of joining the part of the beast statue of the feet of part clay mixed with part iron as part of the legs of iron, then you will miss this point.

The "legs of iron" (old pagan Roman empire), and the "feet part of iron and part of clay" are two separate beasts (final Endtime world beast for today, not Rome). Because 'iron' is mentioned again with the feet of part clay and part iron, some believe it means the old Roman empire is to be revived for the end. Some even wrongly give it as being the main head in control at the end, but that is not what is shown here in Daniel 2.

1. "head of fine gold" = Babylon empire under Nebuchadnezzar
2. "his breast and his arms of silver = Medo-Perisa empire
3. "his belly and his thighs of brass" = Alexander's Grecia
4. "legs of iron" = pagan Roman empire
5. "his feet part of iron and part of clay" = FINAL beast for the very END of this world, still coming together today.

Dan 2:34-35
34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
KJV

That "stone" cut out without hands represents our Lord Jesus Christ at His future coming to end the beast kingdoms of this world once and for all time. What does this mean for these 5 PIECES of the beast statue which represent beast kingdoms? Would ALL of those beast kingdom pieces be available to FALL when Jesus as that "stone" comes to smite that beast upon it's WHAT? Upon his feet that were of iron and clay!

What is God's Word pointing to that with smiting? He is showing these pieces of the beast statue ALL EXISTING TOGETHER FOR THE VERY END, with that 5th beast of the feet of clay and iron supporting it! WHY... is God using those different materials to represent those beasts? What's His Message with that?...

What's the heaviest material in that beast statue? The very top, the head of gold. Gold as a natural element is very heavy compared to those other elements mentioned there. Then silver is next, and then brass, then iron, and finally the feet of clay mixed with iron. What is the problem with clay mixed with iron? IT DOES NOT MIX. So what God is showing us it that final beast kingdom of the feet of ten toes made up of clay mixed with iron, is the WEAKEST part of the beast statue! And naturally, a stone smitting its feet is going to bring the WHOLE BEAST PIECES, "together", down to the ground. Because verse 35 above shows ALL those FIVE pieces together when that smitting happens, that reveals what?

Dan 2:41-45
41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
KJV

The above Daniel 2:41-45 verses declare the same thing, the existing of FIVE pieces of the beast statue for the END. And that is setup all the way UNTIL Jesus' future coming to smite that final beast upon its feet of ten toes of part iron mixed with part clay. And only then will Christ's Kingdom be setup on this earth instead with Jesus' future return. Count the number of pieces there again. It is Five, not four.

That is revealing that for the very END of this world, that final beast system of the feet of iron mixed with clay will support a REVIVAL of ALL those PREVIOUS beast systems! So it ain't just gonna' be Rome back to pagan Rome, but also a melting together of ALL the world's religions in one boat for the coming pseudo-Christ to be God over.

Hi Davy,

Well done. At last, someone with some sense. For too long the RRE error has clouded people`s understanding. So glad you are seeing the 5 parts of the Great Image.

Marilyn.

 

[Marilyn C]

 

[Jay Ross]

Hello,

The five beasts mentioned in Daniel 7 are wicked fallen rebelling angels following the lead of Satan.

What is being attempted above is to identify the nations that the five beasts have had and are still exercising their influence over since Daniel wrote Daniel 7 up and until this present time. Unfortunately, Daniel 7 also provides a future picture which is in our distant future.

Also ,we cannot read Daniel 2 and 7 without also including other prophets and what they have foretold concerning the beasts and who they exercise their influence over. Daniel in his visions is not shown the 2,000+ years where Babylon lies dormant and is then repopulated after 1926 AD.

This means that the Roman empire is not the fourth segment of the Daniel 2 statue prophecy as Babylon was desolated and devasted around 120 BC around 60 years before the Roman Empire came into view on the world scene around 60 BC. Both Isaiah and Jeremiah foretell of this period of 2,000+ years, but with our ring fencing of the scriptures we are blinded to this truth.

Since the Roman Empire did not exercise any dominion over an "empty" Babylon, the Roman Empire is not the fourth segment of the Daniel 2 statue prophecy. This prophecy jumps over this 2,000+ year gap with the fourth segment being the nation of Iraq and the fifth segment being the nations that formed the Coalition of the Willing that invaded Babylon/Iraq in 2003 AD.

Oh well the theories regurgitated above have nothing to do with Biblical prophecy. Is this not an interesting thought?

Shalom

 

[Randy Kluth]

Randy, you are assuming that the great Image and the 4 beasts of Dan. 7 are the same. They are not.

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Yes, Marilyn, though you may disagree I do think Dan 2 and Dan 7 refer to the same thing. Repeating dreams or visions confirms an important reality that will come to pass in the future. One was Nebuchadnezzar's Dream. The other was Daniel's Dream. Daniel had to know it was important if they indeed were saying the same things, albeit using different language.

I've had this conversation elsewhere, and in a pretty thorough way. If you care to visit the issues, we can do that? I'm aware of those who wish to separate these visions how they believe they should be separated. And I do understand why some wish to make the number 5 kingdoms, instead of 4. Anything you wish to discuss or argue, let me know. It's not going to destroy our unity in Christ.

 

[Marilyn C]

Yes, Marilyn, though you may disagree I do think Dan 2 and Dan 7 refer to the same thing. Repeating dreams or visions confirms an important reality that will come to pass in the future. One was Nebuchadnezzar's Dream. The other was Daniel's Dream. Daniel had to know it was important if they indeed were saying the same things, albeit using different language.

I've had this conversation elsewhere, and in a pretty thorough way. If you care to visit the issues, we can do that? I'm aware of those who wish to separate these visions how they believe they should be separated. And I do understand why some wish to make the number 5 kingdoms, instead of 4. Anything you wish to discuss or argue, let me know. It's not going to destroy our unity in Christ.

That`s good keeping the unity of the Spirit.

So, in Dan. 7 we see that these 4 beastly kingdoms are in the time of the Lord`s return. (Dan. 7: 12) Thus, how can they be past rulers which God had judged.

 

[covenantee]

Daniel 2

Historical consensus over > 1000 years


Jerome, ECF

Verse 31. "Now thou art the head of gold." "The head of gold," he says "is thou, O king." By this statement it is clear that the first empire, the Babylonian, is compared to the most precious metal, gold.

Verse 39. "And after thee there shall arise another empire inferior to thee, made of silver." (The Vulgate LXX does not include "made of silver.") That is to say, the empire of the Medes and Persians, which bears a resemblance to silver, being inferior to the preceding empire, and superior to that which is to follow.

"And a third empire of bronze (the Vulgate LXX has "made of copper"), which shall rule over the entire earth." This signifies the Alexandrian empire, and that of (p. 504) the Macedonians, and of Alexander's successors.

Verse 40. "And there shall be a fourth empire like unto iron. Just as iron breaks to pieces and overcomes all else, so it shall break to pieces and shatter all these preceding empires . ..." Now the fourth empire, which clearly refers to the Romans, is the iron empire which breaks in pieces and overcomes all others.


John Calvin, Reformer

My assertion is perfectly correct, that interpreters of moderate judgment and candor, all explain the passage of the Babylonian, Persian, Macedonian, and Roman monarchies...

 

[Marty fox]

Yes I'm aware that Jerusalem will be the "great city" Babylon Harlot for the end of this world. It will be ground zero for the dragon's headquarters over the final beast system covering all nations on earth for the time of great tribulation.

Do you think Jerusalem has already done her worst she was Gods but she then whored herself out to Rome and then rejected and killed her God and messiah? What more could she do it was so bad that God judged her and destroyed
her?

 

[Randy Kluth]

That`s good keeping the unity of the Spirit.

So, in Dan. 7 we see that these 4 beastly kingdoms are in the time of the Lord`s return. (Dan. 7: 12) Thus, how can they be past rulers which God had judged.

Traditionally, the 4 kingdoms are thought to start with Babylon, the "head of gold." Nebuchadnezzar was clearly identified in Dan 2. It follows, then, that the power succeeding him was Persia, who historically conquered Babylon. Alexander conquered Persia, to make the Greeks the 3rd kingdom. And then Rome assumed power over the entire Mediterranean, making Caesar the 4th ruler.

These were all in the past. So the question becomes, how can Rome be the 4th and last kingdom when Rome was conquered in 476 AD? Quite simply, the Roman Imperial tradition did *not* end in that year, since the barbarians simply assumed control of that part of the empire. The Roman Empire in the East continued all the way until 1453 AD, when the Ottomans defeated Constantinople.

Was this the end of the Roman Imperial tradition in the East? No, various Eastern kingdoms assumed control of that tradition, turning a Greek Empire into a Slav Empire. It continued, in a way, even up until the Russian Empire became the Soviet Empire.

In the West, the Roman Imperial tradition continued in the form of the Holy Roman Empire, which also continued up until Napoleon ended it. But the Austrian Empire succeeded it, in a sense, eventually becoming the Austria-Hungarian Empire, which lasted up until the 20th century.

At some point this Roman Imperial tradition was set, by God, to break down into 10 major states. Then Antichrist will emerge to take control over it as a reformed modern Roman Empire.

So no, only the ancient form of the Roman Empire ended. The Roman Imperial tradition has continued throughout history, East and West. And I believe this explains how Rome can be the 4th Kingdom and the last Kingdom of Dan 2 and 7.

 

[Davy]

Why are you angry when people disagree with you? Don't you believe I should grant you the right to disagree with me without me insulting you? I don't push "man's doctrines," and to me these aren't "toys." I can address any part of what you shared. I didn't because the central issue had to do with how many Kingdoms Dan 2 and 7 represent *in my opinion.* But apparently you don't really want opinions--just cheerleaders?

I'm not angry, that is your false assumption you made up just because I won't play ball with your false seminary doctrine 'toys'.

And you have not disagreed with me. You haven't even begun... to address the Daniel 2 verses I quoted, so how could you possibly agree or disagree when you haven't bothered to even look at them and comment on those?

The more you bear false witness against me in trying to attack my credibility, the more you make yourself look like a fool.