A Form of godliness

[face2face]

So also "could" you:
EB previously stated:
"If angels can appear physically in human form, who says that Jesus, who dwelt within the Father's Glory of Himself, couldn't appear as an angel?";)

And you have a text to support this radical idea of yours?

 

[face2face]

So what I can glean from Earburner's view on Angels is that everywhere angels are spoken off in Genesis 1-3 and possibly all of Scripture (who knows????) it is believed to be Jesus in disguise. The reason they believe this is to force trinitarian dogma upon the text, because of the inclusion of "us" and "our" - of course this gets messy as we have seen in this thread Ministering Spirits ignored which clearly proves we are made in the image and likeness of the Elohim and it is the angelic host who are directed by God to minister His Children to salvation as per Hebrews 1:14.

I'd be interested in other Trinitarians views, those who are honest with the text who can admit Genesis 3:22 cannot be the trinity speaking for obvious reasons already stated in the thread above.

It's like a house of cards - if you prove Yahweh Elohim is referring to the Angels in Genesis 3:22 then all interactions between the angels and A&E are thereby accepted. The account makes sense as flesh and blood cannot withstand the Glory of God, which is why Earburner has the trinity making them coats of skin and somehow from a distance clothing them. How the trinity drove A & E from the garden is another conundrum. Basically Earburner needs to admit every single interaction between Yahweh Elohim and A & E was done at a long distance, far enough that His Glory didn't consume them .

I know right...but watch the rebuttal and do the sums!

The sacred text will be adulterated.

F2F

 

[Jack]

I've answered this question numerous times. And others to have answered it. You just cannot accept that God referring to others in heaven does not in any way support the trinity.

I must have missed your answer. Try again. Who is the male child born in Is 9 called Mighty God and Everlasting Father?
Hint: It's Jesus!

 

[Wrangler]

I must have missed your answer. Try again. Who is the male child born in Is 9 called Mighty God and Everlasting Father?
Hint: It's Jesus!

As has been explained to you repeatedly Hezekiah is the child in Isaiah 9:6. He is the son of the king Ahaz, living at the time of the prophet Isaiah, 7 centuries before Christ. Isaiah 9:6 is a Mistranslation | The Doctrine of the Trinity Examined

 

[Jack]

As has been explained to you repeatedly Hezekiah is the child in Isaiah 9:6. He is the son of the king Ahaz, living at the time of the prophet Isaiah, 7 centuries before Christ. Isaiah 9:6 is a Mistranslation | The Doctrine of the Trinity Examined

Hezekiah is the "Mighty God"? lol
Isaiah 9:6 is wrong and you're right? Pity you on Judgment Day!

 

[face2face]

As has been explained to you repeatedly Hezekiah is the child in Isaiah 9:6. He is the son of the king Ahaz, living at the time of the prophet Isaiah, 7 centuries before Christ. Isaiah 9:6 is a Mistranslation | The Doctrine of the Trinity Examined

This is sound Bible reading in context! Trinitarians do not want to understand or know the first reading of these texts as their idolatry has infected their minds. Judgement day will be a time to consider missed opportunities to read anew!

 

[Jack]

As has been explained to you repeatedly Hezekiah is the child in Isaiah 9:6. He is the son of the king Ahaz, living at the time of the prophet Isaiah, 7 centuries before Christ. Isaiah 9:6 is a Mistranslation | The Doctrine of the Trinity Examined

So you think Hezekiah is "Mighty God" and "Everlasting Father"? How bizarre!

 

[face2face]

So you think Hezekiah is "Mighty God" and "Everlasting Father"? How bizarre!

It's Jewish tradition though they come at it to disprove Jesus being the Messiah. Truth is Hezekiah is a wonderful type of Christ and you can make strong arguments from Isaiah 9 that the first reading / primary interpration could well relate to Hezekiah. I'm not dogmatic on this as the titles fit Christ perfectly as a future prophecy of Christ in the Kingdom Age exalted and given Children etc. If you had past tense the passage would be difficult to interpret "shall be" is future i.e not now! But I guess many Trinitarians will try!

 

[Jack]

It's Jewish tradition though they come at it to disprove Jesus being the Messiah. Truth is Hezekiah is a wonderful type of Christ and you can make strong arguments from Isaiah 9 that the first reading / primary interpration could well relate to Hezekiah. I'm not dogmatic on this as the titles fit Christ perfectly as a future prophecy of Christ in the Kingdom Age exalted and given Children etc. If you had past tense the passage would be difficult to interpret "shall be" is future i.e not now! But I guess many Trinitarians will try!

How evasive! You think Hezekiah is the male child born "Mighty God" and "Everlasting Father"?

 

[Jack]

It's Jewish tradition though they come at it to disprove Jesus being the Messiah. Truth is Hezekiah is a wonderful type of Christ and you can make strong arguments from Isaiah 9 that the first reading / primary interpration could well relate to Hezekiah. I'm not dogmatic on this as the titles fit Christ perfectly as a future prophecy of Christ in the Kingdom Age exalted and given Children etc. If you had past tense the passage would be difficult to interpret "shall be" is future i.e not now! But I guess many Trinitarians will try!

That's SAD that Hezekiah is your "Mighty God" and "Everlasting Father".

Jesus is my God.

Col 1 By Jesus all things were created!

 

[face2face]

How evasive! You think Hezekiah is the male child born "Mighty God" and "Everlasting Father"?

You must have a position Jack? On it's first read interpretation?

 

[Jack]

You must have a position Jack? On it's first read interpretation?

Already stated the obvious. The Son born in Isaiah 9 called "Mighty God" and "Everlasting Father" is Jesus.

Col 1 By Jesus all things were created.
John 14:9 He who has seen Me has seen the Father;

 

[amigo de christo]

That's SAD that Hezekiah is your "Mighty God" and "Everlasting Father".

Jesus is my God.

Col 1 By Jesus all things were created!

On the day Thomas saw JESUS and said MY LORD and MY GOD , JESUS Did not rebuke him . Any guesses on why that is ..
exactly . GOD is HIS WORD as JOHN well said . God is His Spirit , HE is his word . Let all that has breath both praise
and thank the LORD .

 

[Jack]

On the day Thomas saw JESUS and said MY LORD and MY GOD , JESUS Did not rebuke him . Any guesses on why that is ..
exactly . GOD is HIS WORD as JOHN well said . God is His Spirit , HE is his word . Let all that has breath both praise
and thank the LORD .

Jesus is "My Lord and my God" also!

 

[face2face]

On the day Thomas saw JESUS and said MY LORD and MY GOD , JESUS Did not rebuke him . Any guesses on why that is ..
exactly . GOD is HIS WORD as JOHN well said . God is His Spirit , HE is his word . Let all that has breath both praise
and thank the LORD .

Because the Master reflected the Character of God perfectly, gave his life and was highly exalted with name and position not previously held. Thomas understood God manifestation.

 

[Jack]

Hebrews 1
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him."
8 But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions."10 And: "You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

Amen Jesus! You are God the Creator!

 

[face2face]

Hebrews 1
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him."
8 But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions."10 And: "You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

Amen Jesus! You are God the Creator!

Which one you think?

1. "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever"
2. "God is thy throne for ever and ever"

Most commentators go with the Apostles teaching in b.

If you were a follower of creeds you would stay with a.

 

[Jack]

Which one you think?

1. "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever"
2. "God is thy throne for ever and ever"

Most commentators go with the Apostles teaching in b.

If you were a follower of creeds you would stay with a.

Why did you evade this part?
to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;

And this part:
"10 And: "You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

 

[face2face]

Why did you evade this part?
to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;

And this part:
"10 And: "You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

Must be your limited knowledge of the text. This is a learning opportunity for you!

 

[Jack]

Must be your limited knowledge of the text. This is a learning opportunity for you!

No Scripture? Of course not! I have plenty of Scripture.

Revelation 2
18 "And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write, 'These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass: 19 I know your works, love, service, faith, and your patience; and as for your works, the last are more than the first. 20 Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. 21 And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. 22 Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. 23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works. 24 Now to you I say, and to the rest in Thyatira, as many as do not have this doctrine, who have not known the depths of Satan, as they say, I will put on you no other burden. 25 But hold fast what you have till I come. 26 And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations--

Amen Jesus, the Son of God!