Oh Boy! Seeing So Much!

[Enoch111]

...we are already sitting in heavenly places...

Well that is actually stated in the Bible: And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus (Eph 2:6)

Since all the children of God are in the Body of Christ, and since Christ is seated at the right hand of the Father in Heaven (heavenly places) it follows that in the eyes of God and Christ we are already seated with Him in Heaven. This is a spiritual reality.

 

[Enoch111]

...we only can have a “positional” righteousness until after we die. He cannot give us true and visible and manifest righteousness while we are in this body.

Do you know the meaning of justification by grace through faith and "imputed righteousness"? God has already imputed to believers the perfect righteousness of Christ by His grace. Therefore we are positionally righteous. At the same time God has given to us His Holy Spirit, who enables us to be practically righteous. That is called "sanctification". So there is (1) justification, (2) sanctification, and (3) glorification (which is in the future).

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Revelation adds to this by stating three groups in end times The chosen, the faithful and the called

Wow, I never noted that verse…I had to go look for it. My first reaction was - there are four groups mentioned, not three. I’ll be thinking some on that…

 

[David H.]

Wow, I never noted that verse…I had to go look for it. My first reaction was - there are four groups mentioned, not three. I’ll be thinking some on that…

Four ? What am i missing?
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. (Revelation 17:14)

Quick question, do we no longer get a link to scripture when we post verses?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Four ? What am i missing?
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. (Revelation 17:14)

Quick question, do we no longer get a link to scripture when we post verses?

I think we do still get a link just don’t know where you find it now.

I was talking about the verse 22:11 from revelation. John has a good thing to read concerning it on a site called WordPress. It might be titled…The Four Destinies? He ties it to 4 directions one could go from Eden and the four rivers that went out from Eden. And how one of those rivers, in the end, dries up - the Euphrates - leaving only 3 ETERNAL destinies and one that is annihilated.
im not easily working the 3 in your verse in but I suspect the outer darkness might be for only a thousand years and might be the prison the man won’t be let out of until he pays the last farthing…so yes, I can work it in with my understanding that your verse is at the end of the millennium…

Your verse has actually given me more peace concerning that place called the outer darkness. John had an inkling it was forever but I just hoped and hoped it wasn’t. Your verse helped me greatly.

 

[Lambano]

Okay, you’re a saint. I believe you. You have convinced me.

And you're rather saintly yourself (though you won't admit it).

Now we need to turn down our halos so that we don't blind the others.

And may God grant you what you so deeply desire.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

And you're rather saintly yourself (though you won't admit it).

You can say and think what you want about me but you won’t get me to agree I am what you say I am. I am not holy. Ive never yet walked in the Spirit and had God perform miracles through me.
You say you are holy, okay. Be happy in that. I am not and I know I’m not.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

And you're rather saintly yourself (though you won't admit it).

Now we need to turn down our halos so that we don't blind the others.

And may God grant you what you so deeply desire.

It’s the strangest thing that you claim you’re holy and I claim I am not and yet I need to turn down my halo…

 

[Nancy]

@Nancy - he has a 4th podcast out!

I was going to mention that yesterday, seems more than a month @Episkopos !! Lol...Am going to check it out right now...thanks.

 

[Nancy]

You can say and think what you want about me but you won’t get me to agree I am what you say I am. I am not holy. Ive never yet walked in the Spirit and had God perform miracles through me.
You say you are holy, okay. Be happy in that. I am not and I know I’m not.

Ditto, unless I look at our being Holy is being separate from the world.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I was going to mention that yesterday, seems more than a month @Episkopos !! Lol...Am going to check it out right now...thanks.

Yesterday! i Didn’t see it until this afternoon. It was very good.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I was going to mention that yesterday, seems more than a month @Episkopos !! Lol...Am going to check it out right now...thanks.

Lol. It was a frustratingly long wait. I wish he would put one out every day haha!

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Hmmmm, I wonder how some ppl count their faith and build it up.
Do they study the Word in context with the Holy Spirit ?
Do they pray in openness before God not thinking to hide themselves as Adam & Eve did in the garden ?
Are they truly honest with themselves or delusional as to who they are ?
Do they know the doctrine of God rather than man that is found in the commands, precepts & truths.
Is their discipleship that of babes bc they refuse to move along with the Lord ?
Are we men - pleases or seeking to please God by being in his will?


I ask these questions of myself, where do I stand with God ?
Who will I see the face of last before I either enter in the glories of God or be cast into the lake of fire ?

BE SURE OF THIS ONE THING, KNOW WHOM YOU SERVE !.............. self, the devil or God ? A house divided will not stand !

 

[Nancy]

Lol. It was a frustratingly long wait. I wish he would put one out every day haha!

IKR? Maybe he will do more as the Spirit leads him, and the Spirit does lead him It was one of the best so far IMO.

 

[amadeus]

Tsk! It would be strange if I had anger in my heart at you and I could clearly see I did, but God couldn’t see that blemish/murder.
Having it covered by the Blood and forgiven is not the same thing as no blemish.

"and I could clearly see I did..."

Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he." Prov 29:18 "For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." I Cor 13:12 "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." I John 3:2

 

[amadeus]

God is an awesome God! Yes, He is opening the eyes of His children to see clearly.
To help us understand more clearly the revelation knowledge of His Truth.
To join believers into one mind and one accord on His single doctrine of faith.
Death and Life are in the power of the TONGUE....so speak life continually...speak His Word and declare it daily over yourself and others....when thoughts enter your mind that bring any unwanted emotion with it cast it down....put on the mind of Christ!
Glory hallelujah!

Yes... "opening the eyes of His children to see clearly"

 

[amadeus]

Oh sure! Me too.
Ive thought many times about how it’s even possible to have this down payment when my odious flesh is still in my heart, all that arrogance and selfishness and resentment and anger at others. I think it has to do with the sword of the word being able to divide asunder soul and spirit, joint and marrow…

But there’s a time for moving on from elementary things and a time for faith grown greater so as to begin apprehending and seeing manifest those things He has for us.

"a time for moving from elementary things..." This approaching the "face to face" vision. How many times do we need to be touched in order to see what God sees as clearly as God sees it?

Mr 8:23	And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.
Mr 8:24	And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.
Mr 8:25	After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly.

 

[Lambano]

You can say and think what you want about me but you won’t get me to agree I am what you say I am. I am not holy. Ive never yet walked in the Spirit and had God perform miracles through me.
You say you are holy, okay. Be happy in that. I am not and I know I’m not.

If that's your definition of "holy", walking in the Spirit and performing miracles, then no, I'm not holy either. Nor would I aspire to that.

9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. (1 Peter 2:9-10)

By this definition, you really ARE set apart for God's use. You. Really. You.

 

[Pearl]

Hmmmm, I wonder how some ppl count their faith and build it up.
Do they study the Word in context with the Holy Spirit ?
Do they pray in openness before God not thinking to hide themselves as Adam & Eve did in the garden ?
Are they truly honest with themselves or delusional as to who they are ?
Do they know the doctrine of God rather than man that is found in the commands, precepts & truths.
Is their discipleship that of babes bc they refuse to move along with the Lord ?
Are we men - pleases or seeking to please God by being in his will?


I ask these questions of myself, where do I stand with God ?
Who will I see the face of last before I either enter in the glories of God or be cast into the lake of fire ?

BE SURE OF THIS ONE THING, KNOW WHOM YOU SERVE !.............. self, the devil or God ? A house divided will not stand !

As Bob Dylan's song says,
"You’re going to have to serve somebody
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you’re going to have to serve somebody"

 

[stunnedbygrace]

If that's your definition of "holy", walking in the Spirit and performing miracles, then no, I'm not holy either. Nor would I aspire to that.

9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. (1 Peter 2:9-10)

By this definition, you really ARE set apart for God's use. You. Really. You.

Well, what’s your definition of: holy,holy, holy?