Holiness is absolute purity and perfection and pertains to God.Well, what’s your definition of: holy,holy, holy?
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Holiness is absolute purity and perfection and pertains to God.Well, what’s your definition of: holy,holy, holy?
Yes, it really does seem to fit…Four ? What am i missing?
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. (Revelation 17:14)
Quick question, do we no longer get a link to scripture when we post verses?
Okay, that's a fair question. (And thank you for your allusion to that old hymn; that one has some special meaning to me, going back to when I was five years old...)Well, what’s your definition of: holy,holy, holy?
And looking at them, Jesus said to them, “With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” (Matthew 19:26)Holiness is absolute purity and perfection and pertains to God.
Agreed. The promise is that when He appears, we WILL be like him. (That 1 John 3:2 passage again.) We at least have a promised delivery date.Yes. In that particular place He does not say when. You have to believe what He says there and begin to hope for it and wait patiently.
Nah.Paul on numerous occasions addresses the faithful and the saints... See Ephesians 1:1
Actually, not so much. In between the words for THE (article) faithful and THE (article) saints is the conjunction "kai" which means "and". We are called to be saints...as in, the high calling. But we can be faithful in what God has given to us. Not only the saints are saved. These are ABUNDANTLY saved (1 Pet 1). Whereas the righteous are SCARCELY saved (1 Pet 4:18).Nah.
1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are at Ephesus and are faithful in Christ Jesus: (Ephesians 1:1)
"Faithful" is used in the adjective form. The referent has to be "the saints". If they were separate groups, the noun cognate and the article would have to be used. Similarly, "faithful brethren" in Colossians 1:2 does not have its own article, indicating it is the same group referred to as "saints".
But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay, some for honor and some for dishonor.Holiness is absolute purity and perfection and pertains to God.
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God,Nah.
1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are at Ephesus and are faithful in Christ Jesus: (Ephesians 1:1)
"Faithful" is used in the adjective form. The referent has to be "the saints". If they were separate groups, the noun cognate and the article would have to be used. Similarly, "faithful brethren" in Colossians 1:2 does not have its own article, indicating it is the same group referred to as "saints".
Galatians 6:7-8 KJVthose who hunger and thirst for true righteousness in their inner man will be filled. (That’s the promise.)
The lie is not that positional righteousness does not exist but that no GREATER righteousness exists.
I think this is exactly what God is doing. His Spirit gives life to our spirit, and we are together with Him in the celestial realm. We can't see it, but it's the testimony of His Spirit to ours that affirms we are His children.One thing about the flesh and it's corruption that you have to remember is that Jesus died for us that he could send the heavenly spirit to be with our souls (body and spirit). And that often has given me moments when I feel that I am with him in a heavenly way.
The difference is in a new creation. We are born again a new person who didn't exist before. There is the one from the line of Adam, and we've been removed from Adam, now in Christ, except, we still have to use the Adamic body, akin to driving a wrecked and burning car.Oh sure! Me too.
Ive thought many times about how it’s even possible to have this down payment when my odious flesh is still in my heart, all that arrogance and selfishness and resentment and anger at others. I think it has to do with the sword of the word being able to divide asunder soul and spirit, joint and marrow…
But there’s a time for moving on from elementary things and a time for faith grown greater so as to begin apprehending and seeing manifest those things He has for us.
I find it best to just try to order my thoughts according to the words of Scripture. There is a certain way that God presents His truth, I think that is meant to form our minds in a certain way.I think it can be counterproductive to over-think spiritual things. We just need to accept with our hearts not try to work it out with our intellect.
If I'm understanding how you are using the words, "holiness" is when you have no evil desires, because all your desires are for the Lord, and in that way, all you do is from the Spirit, as the Lord ministers to people through you. All you do will be righteous.You are still conflating the two somewhat. It’s very difficult not to do that in our head.
Righteousness is the one tablet - the treatment of others.
Holiness is the other tablet.
There's a problem here, if you are "in holiness", there won't be any strikes, how can there be? I'm not sure this is the right way to think of it.In holiness there is NO sin, not a speck. In holiness, it’s one strike and youre out.
Bottom line it seems is that we will get from (of?) God as much as we "study to show ourselves approved" , "Draw near to God and He will draw near to you"...not that others that do not have good study habits or desires to dig deeper are not saved. God simply meets us, blesses us and grows us all where we are at right now.Yes, things that are holy means they are set apart ONLY for Gods use. But when saying God is holy, we aren’t saying it means God is set apart for Gods use. Are we?
I definitely dont think holiness is goody two shoes, and there is only one Holy.
God doesn’t exactly make us holy. It’s more like some of us walk IN His very own holiness. Or you can deny that holy men who walk in the Spirit with God doing miracles through them don’t, can’t and never have walked on earth.
In Gods Kingdom there are both the righteous and (the rarer) holy. One is good and acceptable to God and one is better than good and acceptable. Unless you want to say Paul, who walked IN the Spirit is no better than us. You are trying to say there is no better than you. No one has gone past your righteous by faith and into Gods holiness.
For your next statement, I totally agree. But He lets us wear ourselves out in the trying until we will accept it has to progress through trust and not our Own power.
As to the last there, yes, and I WAS one of those people, stuck there. But I am not saying what would, or should, make the righteous sad. I’m saying DONT take away the good and acceptable to God but also DONT degrade holiness or the men who have walked in it.
Kai has the "copulative" use, adding, "The saints and the faithful", that is, two groups, also the "explicative" use, explaining, "The saints, even the faithful", that is, a single group.Actually, not so much. In between the words for THE (article) faithful and THE (article) saints is the conjunction "kai" which means "and".
No I don’t. And I don’t have the desire to spend a lot of time on this as you do. I’m not going to answer all those posts you just did either. I’ve never understood the phrase personal call but if you want to use it there, then yeah, I think everyone has a “personal call” to walk in the Spirit so that they won’t fulfill the lusts of their flesh. I don’t think only certain people get called personally to not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. I think few seem to get there-whether because of cares of this world or whatnot but…i don’t think God calls few to this, I think He calls many to thisSee the overlap?
I have no idea what you just said or asked here.There's a problem here, if you are "in holiness", there won't be any strikes, how can there be? I'm not sure this is the right way to think of it.
Much love!
You said, if you are in holiness, one strike and you're out, right? What would that look like? If you are in holiness, what would be a "strike" that would take you out of holiness? Because the way I'm thinking, if God has caused you to be holy, so that all you think and do is righteous, from His Spirit, in agreement with His Way, what would be the sin that would interfere with holiness, to take you out of it?I have no idea what you just said or asked here.