What is the point of a forum if you cannot speak?

[atpollard]

An "Unsportsmanlike Behavior Forum" ... a place set aside for those topics banned EVERYWHERE ELSE on the Board:

• The Trinity and the Deity of Christ
• Calvinism vs Arminianism

The list can be expanded as "unsportsmanlike behavior" explodes across other topics.

On another Board that I am on ... it is called: "The Pit"

 

[Heart2Soul]

The “cease fire,” as you call it, comes at too high a cost. Your deity can no longer be discussed here. If my deity could no longer be discussed here I wouldn’t have anything further to do with this board.

Do you need to change your faith to "other"? Because I don't understand why you are stating or implying that you serve another deity outside of the same Deity we serve being Jesus Christ.
If you worship any god outside of the Lord Jesus, then you are not a Christian by such statement. Is this how the antichrist gets in Christian Forums...dressed as a wolf in sheep's clothing?
Your statement needs explaining.

 

[atpollard]

Thanks. I’ve read it several times. As for debating, I’ve commented on numerous occasions that I view it as a lose-lose proposition.

That's partly because nobody follows the rules for a formal debate (which exist to keep debates civilized, on topic and finite).

 

[Charlie24]

The “cease fire,” as you call it, comes at too high a cost. Your deity can no longer be discussed here. If my deity could no longer be discussed here I wouldn’t have anything further to do with this board.



What I propose should be done doesn’t matter to the people who make the decisions.



All online discussion forums I’ve been on have been “out of order”.

The Deity thing is no problem for me as long as the slander of Christ has halted.

I see no reason for you to desire to further slander knowing that we will not accept it!

Why must you and others insist on continuing this slander?

Why can't you be a part of the solution instead demanding the problem continue?

 

[Matthias]

Do you need to change your faith to "other"? Because I don't understand why you are stating or implying that you serve another deity outside of the same Deity we serve being Jesus Christ.
If you worship any god outside of the Lord Jesus, then you are not a Christian by such statement. Is this how the antichrist gets in Christian Forums...dressed as a wolf in sheep's clothing?
Your statement needs explaining.

I’ve stated from the very beginning that my my God is the Messiah’s God. When I discussed this publicly with you a few months ago and offered to confine my posting to the non-Christian forums you advised me that the board recognized me as a Christian and that I was allowed to post in all sections of the Board.

I’m a Christian. My Christianity is Ante-Nicene, also called “primitive Christianity” - a technical term which covers roughly the first three centuries of Christian history.

If you now think it’s best to change my faith identification - I don’t - then please change it to Judaism (Messianic Judaism, if possible) since Christianity began as a sect of Judaism. Should you choose to do that, my posting will be confined to the non-Christian forums. I leave the decision in your hands and will abide by whatever decision you make.

 

[Matthias]

The Deity thing is no problem for me as long as the slander of Christ has halted.

I see no reason for you to desire to further slander knowing that we will not accept it!

Why must you and others insist on continuing this slander?

Why can't you be a part of the solution instead demanding the problem continue?

I haven’t slandered anyone and I’m not demanding that the problem continue. If the decision makers want my input then they’ll ask me for it.

 

[Matthias]

That's partly because nobody follows the rules for a formal debate (which exist to keep debates civilized, on topic and finite).

I‘ve participated in public debates where the rules for a formal debate were strictly observed by all parties. I gave up debating around twenty years ago because I saw what it was doing to me and what it was doing to those whom I debated.

 

[Charlie24]

I haven’t slandered anyone and I’m not demanding that the problem continue. If the decision makers want my input then they’ll ask me for it.

OK! If this carries over to other subjects, some will leave, and some will become emboldened.

You guys have the ball, I guess we will see what you do with it!

 

[Matthias]

OK! If this carries over to other subjects, some will leave, and some will become emboldened.

You guys have the ball, I guess we will see what you do with it!

I’m trying to abide by the new policy and I’ve recommended that others do the same. The only amendment I’ve made to that statement is the clarification that others should do whatever they think best. I’m not a dictator and I’m not advising anyone to violate their conscience.

 

[atpollard]

I‘ve participated in public debates where the rules for a formal debate were strictly observed by all parties. I gave up debating around twenty years ago because I saw what it was doing to me and what it was doing to those whom I debated.

Fair enough ... I place certain people on "ignore" because our interactions are not edifying to either of us. As the Rabbi said in Fiddler on the Roof when asked if there was a blessing for the Tzar: "May the Lord bless him and keep him ... far away from us."

 

[Charlie24]

I’m trying to abide by the new policy and I’ve recommended that others do the same. The only amendment I’ve made to that statement is the clarification that others should do whatever they think best. I’m not a dictator and I’m not advising anyone to violate their conscience.

In other words, you are refusing to be a part of the solution!

 

[Matthias]

In other words, you are refusing to be a part of the solution!

The board policy makers prescribed the solution.

Abiding by the board policy makers prescribed solution = refusing to be a part of the solution?

In other words, I don’t get it Big Dan.

 

[Aunty Jane]

And some err in skipping or rejecting some truths that must be understood before moving to a higher truth. This causes the higher truth to be distorted and thus it becomes a false teaching, or false religion.

This is a point that I believe needs emphasising.....as one who was raised in Christendom and who wanted this deeper understanding but never found it there, I see those who just want to stick to Christendom’s party line without actual Bible study and researching their foundational beliefs (with an open mind and heart) for themselves. They have no opportunity then to truly evaluate their beliefs because they have put forth no personal effort to understand and to prove that what they have been led to believe, is truth.....and then find themselves unable to defend it. This creates frustration because they can’t answer the challenges that are put to them.....it doesn’t make them want to study the Bible...it just makes them angry and they lash out....and then complain.

I have always said that an undefended faith is not worth having....it is blind, and can be easily undermined.

If Jesus said...”No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him”....and “This is why I have said to you, no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”....(John 6:44, 65)...it shouldn’t matter what the subject matter is.....what matters is how individuals conduct themselves as “Christians”....and how well they “know” the God they claim to worship. (John 17:3) Their everlasting life is at stake. By their conduct they either prove that they are Christ’s disciples....or they are not.

Self-control is a fruit of God’s spirit. Those with no self-control prove that they are the opposite of what they should be. If God is the one who decides who comes to Christ and who doesn’t, it shouldn’t matter what subject is discussed, but how those who claim to be Christians, conduct themselves.

I understand why it is easier to shut down the topic rather than to deal with the complainers, but many here are very disappointed with the fact that we have an “unorthodox” forum where we expected to be able to examine “unorthodox” topics, only to find that the most important topic is off limits.

I remember you saying that ‘we are in the last days and that we should learn how to defend our faith’.....and I applauded it.......but it’s a shame that censorship has devalued that comment. You cannot defend what you can’t talk about. Silencing the subject matter doesn’t make it go away. It is literally the line of demarcation in what makes one a “Christian” and being granted everlasting life....John 17:3.....we have to “KNOW” the God we worship. Jesus tells us the the majority do not know him. (Matthew 7:13-14, 21-23)

 

[marks]

The trinitarians who shared the sentiment with me are more zealous about the prohibition against their / your deity being discussed than you are. I respect that.

I don't respect calling people Nazi's (or whatever) as a debate aide. Very poor style, and for me, what I've seen from you, a new low.

Much love!

 

[Matthias]

I don't respect calling people Nazi's (or whatever) as a debate aide. Very poor style, and for me, what I've seen from you, a new low.

Much love!

You’re barking up the wrong tree.

 

[marks]

You’re barking up the wrong tree.

I'm calling it as I see it. You want to compare this forum moderation to the CCP. Got it!

 

[Peterlag]

There are those here who do NOT know God but have applied themselves to learning to quote the word for their own agenda.

Others have come here with the agendas of their prophets, their magazine and or book. These feel no shame at spreading the infection of heresy.

Still others come with the superior attitude that they are Gods own heart and all else are dung unless they join themselves to this institution.

Ppl get real, it's getting close to getting worse!

Get in the word, find the TRUTH of God, hook yourself to his Spirit and NEVER look back.

Those who want truth will find it if that is ALL we put forth.

These others are loving being in darkness, hooked to the father of lies. They have embraced their darkness and refuse the light!

God has turned them over to a reprobate mind and they have no desire to see the TRUTH !

Put me down as one who comes because my knowledge is advanced in biblical concepts and I wish to share whenever I can to be a blessing to anyone who cares to read what I post.

 

[Jay Ross]

Speaking out on any topic requires much wisdom because of the consequences that can arise from it.

Sadly, many people who speak out, and those who listen to those messages, lack that quality and Satan has a field day.

Shalom

 

[Matthias]

I'm calling it as I see it. You want to compare this forum moderation to the CCP. Got it!

You’re being foolish, out of ignorance I suppose.

 

[Mr E]

This is a point that I believe needs emphasising.....as one who was raised in Christendom and who wanted this deeper understanding but never found it there, I see those who just want to stick to Christendom’s party line without actual Bible study and researching their foundational beliefs (with an open mind and heart) for themselves. They have no opportunity then to truly evaluate their beliefs because they have put forth no personal effort to understand and to prove that what they have been led to believe, is truth.....and then find themselves unable to defend it. This creates frustration because they can’t answer the challenges that are put to them.....it doesn’t make them want to study the Bible...it just makes them angry and they lash out....and then complain.

I have always said that an undefended faith is not worth having....it is blind, and can be easily undermined.

If Jesus said...”No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him”....and “This is why I have said to you, no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”....(John 6:44, 65)...it shouldn’t matter what the subject matter is.....what matters is how individuals conduct themselves as “Christians”....and how well they “know” the God they claim to worship. (John 17:3) Their everlasting life is at stake. By their conduct they either prove that they are Christ’s disciples....or they are not.

Self-control is a fruit of God’s spirit. Those with no self-control prove that they are the opposite of what they should be. If God is the one who decides who comes to Christ and who doesn’t, it shouldn’t matter what subject is discussed, but how those who claim to be Christians, conduct themselves.

I understand why it is easier to shut down the topic rather than to deal with the complainers, but many here are very disappointed with the fact that we have an “unorthodox” forum where we expected to be able to examine “unorthodox” topics, only to find that the most important topic is off limits.

I remember you saying that ‘we are in the last days and that we should learn how to defend our faith’.....and I applauded it.......but it’s a shame that censorship has devalued that comment. You cannot defend what you can’t talk about. Silencing the subject matter doesn’t make it go away. It is literally the line of demarcation in what makes one a “Christian” and being granted everlasting life....John 17:3.....we have to “KNOW” the God we worship. Jesus tells us the the majority do not know him. (Matthew 7:13-14, 21-23)

When a topic is made "off limits" by mere declaration, it speaks loudly about the ones making the declaration while at once being strangely silent on the actual topic.

It's one of those - "we don't talk about that" subjects at Thanksgiving, because it upsets Grandma. It doesn't mean the topic is unimportant or uninteresting, it's just forbidden because Grandma can't take it. Isn't this so? If Grandma wouldn't get upset, then we could surely talk about it. Isn't it simply Grandma's "feelings" we are worried about?

One could argue-- well, it's Grandma's house, so we have to respect the house rules. Yet- Grandma invited us all here and it wouldn't be much of a gathering if no one came because they didn't feel welcome or didn't think their voices were acceptable to the host.

As a general rule-- if you aren't permitted to question something, it's only because someone says so. That's how police states operate. They determine what you can say or feel based on how they feel about such things. It's never a good situation. When you are told you MUST NOT question something, or speak against some idea... that's the sign of both a weak argument and someone who knows they have a weak argument. They fear their ideas being challenged, so they silence the opportunity for anyone who might.

When someone says you are not allowed to question something--- you should question it.