If you believe these are the end times, why do you not also believe great apostacy has come?

[Truth7t7]

Phycological projection--you're incorrigible.

Your theological Mysical Gobbly Goop is incorrigible, you have nobody persuaded Scott, your theology is a "Farce"

 

[Trekson]

If you believe that Jesus is soon to come again, why do you do the same as the Pharisees who looked to the scriptures and thought they had it all figured out?

History repeats itself--but this time it's the church who is in the hot seat.​

I could make a case for what is wrong with what is now commonly believed and expected against the warnings of Jesus, Peter, and Paul, and have. But the better case is written of what occurred at Jesus's first coming. Which some of you defend and campaign for here daily with the broken record of the scriptures and what is commonly believed having been taught following the false teachers and the spirit of anti-Christ that had already begun 2,000 years ago. Many of you sight the history in support of their folly to create your own.

And almost no one wants to hear anything other than what they already believe.

Should you not rather be expecting a rationale to be forthcoming that would explain what is written in the correct way as opposed to what has been wrongly believed?

Did you just want to remain under the strong delusion of the foretold lie, and not want to be lead unto all truth as promised by Christ? Do you just want to die before knowing the truth?

A little more specifics as to what you're really asking would have been nice and an inclusion of what you think the apostasy was/willbe, however, to respond to just the title of the article, the apostasy will be an event that has a specific cause that will be a time of separating the wheat from the tares and deciding who does or does not "love not their lives unto the death" (Rev. 12:11). That prophetic event has not happened yet.

 

[shilohsfoal]

I'm not sure what apostacy your talking about.A great apostacy started in the 600s with the coming of Islam.I would have to say that is when the apostacy started.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Your claim of a future Millennial Kingdom on this earth is a "Fairy Tale" as Pinocchio's nose grows

That's stupid. A different view is not a lie. Shows your lack of good character.

 

[ScottA]

Your theological Mysical Gobbly Goop is incorrigible, you have nobody persuaded Scott, your theology is a "Farce"

History repeats itself, and you with it.

 

[ScottA]

A little more specifics as to what you're really asking would have been nice and an inclusion of what you think the apostasy was/willbe, however, to respond to just the title of the article, the apostasy will be an event that has a specific cause that will be a time of separating the wheat from the tares and deciding who does or does not "love not their lives unto the death" (Rev. 12:11). That prophetic event has not happened yet.

It is true that the word from God does not always include all the specifics, but rather comes, "precept upon precept, Line upon line, line upon line, Here a little, there a little.” To the contrary, lies come with many details not requiring spiritual discernment. Nonetheless, we are to be lead unto all truth.

As for what I have been saying now for many years, it is not what I "think", but what has been given to me from God. The apostacy is rooted in the "lie" of not believing all that Jesus said "must shortly take place" during the time of those He spoke to saying "you"--not people of a future generation would see it all take place, but "this generation", meaning their generation. But for lack of understanding, many have instead believed the "false teachers" who say, "My master is delaying his coming."

 

[Truth7t7]

As for what I have been saying now for many years, it is not what I "think", but what has been given to me from God. The apostacy is rooted in the "lie" of not believing all that Jesus said "must shortly take place" during the time of those He spoke to saying "you"--not people of a future generation would see it all take place, but "this generation", meaning their generation. But for lack of understanding, many have instead believed the "false teachers" who say, "My master is delaying his coming."

"This Generation Shall Not Pass, Till All These Things Be Fulfilled"

Future Events Unfulfilled!

1.) Matthew 24:15 is Daniel's Abomination of Desolation

2.) Matthew 24:21 is the Great Tribulation

3.) Matthew 24:29-30 Is the literal, visible, second coming of Jesus Christ in the clouds of heaven

They Shall See, Not You Shall See, A Future Generation That Will Witness The Literal, Visible, Second Coming

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The generation below is a "Future" generation that will be eye witnesses of (1. Daniel's AOD), the (2. Great Tribulation) and the literal, visible (3. Second Coming) of Jesus in the clouds of heaven, these events are future unfulfilled

Matthew 24:32-34KJV
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

 

[ScottA]

Future Events Unfulfilled!

1.) Matthew 24:15 is Daniel's Abomination of Desolation

Fulfilled by "false teachers" and anti-Christs "standing in the holy place" (in the body/temple of Christ).​

2.) Matthew 24:21 is the Great Tribulation

Fulfilled by the Father pouring out His wrath upon Jesus on the cross for the sins of the whole world from Beginning to End. Which, being all tribulation, there can be no greater tribulation--it is the only tribulation that qualifies.​

3.) Matthew 24:29-30 Is the literal, visible, second coming of Jesus Christ in the clouds of heaven

They Shall See, Not You Shall See, A Future Generation That Will Witness The Literal, Visible, Second Coming

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Fulfilled "Immediately after" the tribulation poured out upon Christ on the cross. "But each one in his own order" until the end of times.​

"They" (shall see) simply refers to "all the tribes of the earth" as stated. "But each one in his own order" just as it is written.​

 

[Truth7t7]

Fulfilled by "false teachers" and anti-Christs "standing in the holy place" (in the body/temple of Christ).​

Fulfilled by the Father pouring out His wrath upon Jesus on the cross for the sins of the whole world from Beginning to End. Which, being all tribulation, there can be no greater tribulation--it is the only tribulation that qualifies.​

Fulfilled "Immediately after" the tribulation poured out upon Christ on the cross. "But each one in his own order" until the end of times.​

"They" (shall see) simply refers to "all the tribes of the earth" as stated. "But each one in his own order" just as it is written.​

As stated, you deny a "Literal" future AOD in Armies surround Jerusalem, a future Great Tribulation coming upon a literal world, and a "Literal" "Visible" Second Coming of Jesus Christ in the clouds of heaven, you're a "Full Preterist" Scott, and many see this unorthodox belief as being heretical

The great tribulation mentioned throughout the Bible in "Several Places" now becomes Jesus on the cross of Calvary, the second coming of Jesus Christ now becomes to individual people in their own order?

Your Theology Is Way Out In Left Field, Way Out, something that would make the cults of Mormons and Jehovahs Witnesses blush

Jesus Is The Lord

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[ScottA]

As stated, you deny a "Literal" future AOD in Armies surround Jerusalem, a future Great Tribulation coming upon a literal world, and a "Literal" "Visible" Second Coming of Jesus Christ in the clouds of heaven, you're a "Full Preterist" Scott, and many see this unorthodox belief as being heretical

The great tribulation mentioned throughout the Bible in "Several Places" now becomes Jesus on the cross of Calvary, the second coming of Jesus Christ now becomes to individual people in their own order?

Your Theology Is Way Out In Left Field, Way Out, something that would make the cults of Mormons and Jehovahs Witnesses blush

Jesus Is The Lord

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

You don't even understand the definition of what it is you have accused me of being--let alone the scriptures

 

[Truth7t7]

You don't even understand the definition of what it is you have accused me of being--let alone the scriptures

Scott Your A "Full Preterist", No Accusation, Just "Fact"

"Partial Preterist" believe items 1-2 below are fulfilled

"Full Preterist" believe items 1-2-3 below are
fulfilled

"Futurist" believe items 1-2-3 below are future and unfulfilled

1.) You deny a future Abomination Of Desolation Matthew 24:15

2.) You deny a future world great tribulation Matthew 24:21

3.) You deny a future literal, visible, second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens Matthew 24:29-30

 

[ScottA]

Scott Your A "Full Preterist", No Accusation, Just "Fact"

1.) You deny a future Abomination Of Desolation Matthew 24:15

2.) You deny a future world great tribulation Matthew 24:21

3.) You deny a future literal, visible, second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens Matthew 24:29-30

No--but you are a confused liar. Stop or I will report you.

 

[Trekson]

It is true that the word from God does not always include all the specifics, but rather comes, "precept upon precept, Line upon line, line upon line, Here a little, there a little.” To the contrary, lies come with many details not requiring spiritual discernment. Nonetheless, we are to be lead unto all truth.

As for what I have been saying now for many years, it is not what I "think", but what has been given to me from God. The apostacy is rooted in the "lie" of not believing all that Jesus said "must shortly take place" during the time of those He spoke to saying "you"--not people of a future generation would see it all take place, but "this generation", meaning their generation. But for lack of understanding, many have instead believed the "false teachers" who say, "My master is delaying his coming."

Matt. 24:34 is dependent on vs. 33, Luke 21:27-28 is dependent on vss. 25-26. A whole lot of folks hang their hat on a possible mistranslation and the fulfillment of one prophetic event has to line up w/ all the other prophesies in both the OT and NT about that same event. It's either 100% or it's nothing. I think folks should read it like it says, "the generation that sees "all" theses thing, this (is the) generation that shall not pass, til "all" these things be fulfilled. 70ad doesn't even come close and btw, in God's time it's only been a couple of days. Historicism is the eschatology of the impatient. Another thing folks tend forget is Jesus's statement in Matt. 24:36 so Jesus certainly wasn't implying the season is there at that moment because He didn't know at that time. So if you think 70ad was the fulfillment of Matt. 24 is there a historical record of "all" these events happening on a global scale? Nope, there isn't!

 

[stormymonday]

No--but you are a confused liar. Stop or I will report you.

You should be reported for accusing others of lying. Are you preterist? Absolutely! Are you a full preterist? You are IF you believe Jesus returned in AD70!

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The apostacy is already here!
The NEW WORLD ODER. We have experienced its control over us already during the pandemic: mandates, lockdowns, masks, vaccinations, your business is not essential, but yours is, etc.
It was an exercise in control, a dress rehearsal for what's coming, The Great Reset. And it's likely going to happen before the end of the year. The collapse of the world economies will force us into a new system, loan forgiveness ( but you must relinquish your property), digital currency, Green New deal, a massive distribution of wealth. This is why they aren't really concerned about the border crisis, it is part of the plan. Countries must all relinquish their sovereignty and it will be a hard pill to swallow for Americans.
This whole Global Warming/ Climate Change agenda was always a disguise for Global Governance. The Antichrist has not yet been revealed, but like any other anti-Christ, He is against Christianity but also Jews. The apostacy in any other time was on an individual basis, a person chooses to reject Jesus and goes off in another direction. It doesn't matter what direction Satan leads you, just away from Christ. These global elites are not Christians. Most of them are atheists, lovers of money and power. Putin is an antichrist, Soros is, Gates is, Klaus Schwab is, the Rothhschilds are ... Which one is it going to be?
The world has been duped, the strong delusion sent out, and about ready to take the Mark of the Beast. Take it and you can buy and sell. This act, a choice for each individual, will in essence be putting your faith in this NWO and it's leader rather than in Christ. That will also be the great falling away.
Mankind took a great fall in the Garden, theb The Flood brought judgment. As in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the coming of the Son of Man.

 

[-Phil]

If you believe

The truth is already overlooked, and rumination about time & selves ensues.

 

[ScottA]

Matt. 24:34 is dependent on vs. 33, Luke 21:27-28 is dependent on vss. 25-26. A whole lot of folks hang their hat on a possible mistranslation and the fulfillment of one prophetic event has to line up w/ all the other prophesies in both the OT and NT about that same event. It's either 100% or it's nothing. I think folks should read it like it says, "the generation that sees "all" theses thing, this (is the) generation that shall not pass, til "all" these things be fulfilled. 70ad doesn't even come close and btw, in God's time it's only been a couple of days. Historicism is the eschatology of the impatient. Another thing folks tend forget is Jesus's statement in Matt. 24:36 so Jesus certainly wasn't implying the season is there at that moment because He didn't know at that time. So if you think 70ad was the fulfillment of Matt. 24 is there a historical record of "all" these events happening on a global scale? Nope, there isn't!

I understand, but that is still a rationale of what is seen as opposed to what has not been seen. All of what Jesus said and then accomplished to bring about and would "shortly take place" was confirmed even before hand when He said "It is finished." But the blind have explained it away and were themselves believed. The point is, any rationale that agrees with "My master is delaying his coming", should be avoided like "Satan get behind me!"

And to further confirm all that Jesus spoke of "which must shortly take place", then came the doctrine of "My master is delaying his coming" against the warnings from Jesus, Peter, and Paul. There is no excuse...and it should be crystal clear if one considers all of what is written rather than just the parts that can be put off to the future by unbelief based on what is seen rather than what is unseen.

So, not to be confused with Preterist theology that all things are finished and we all missed it--or that I am saying what I merely "believe" or "think" makes sense, but rather what I "know" from God--but this all involves the transition from times to eternity, which most have yet to comprehend. In other words, there is no correct explanation to all of these things that fits into a timeline of events, as what happens in time is of the world, and the context of these events are not of this world. If one can grasp those terms, the actual truth can follow. If not, those who cannot or will not, remain in darkness.

For those who are ready to comprehend the change that actually occurs in the moment, or hour, or day of Christ our Lord ("the day of the Lord")...it is indeed "finished." But as Paul stated clearly to unclear and immature minds, we who are His "were" crucified and raised up with Him (past tense), "but each one in his own order", meaning that it is indeed future also--but only for those to whom He has not yet come "the second time" in the perfect and full glory of the Father. Which is by definition "soon" and "quickly" and "shortly takes places", as oppose to those who "fall away" into the darkness of "believing the lie" that says "My master is delaying his coming", leading to "strong delusion."

"Then comes the end."

All of which properly defines the events of the times of this world as "created", and the things of heaven and the kingdom of God as timeless and eternal, making them the only thing that is actually "literal" according to God--as He is the measure, and the created world is not.

 

[ScottA]

You should be reported for accusing others of lying. Are you preterist? Absolutely! Are you a full preterist? You are IF you believe Jesus returned in AD70!

You too do not even know the definition of what you accuse me, nor do you know what I am or have said.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

How about the death of the real Pope Ben just of late, now and our Satanic Pope Frances and that prophecy about the last Pope ? and what happens in that Prophecy ! 2023 is set to be a real bad year for sure if that total Satanic Moron Joe Biden and Co does not pull his head in. you are going to see Nuclear bombs dropped.

It's all over Oil and Gas in Ukraine and nothing more truly that feeds this stupid pathetic War.

But the MSM do not point that out to the simpletons who are only TV educated and don't have the ability to look past what the TV Media claim. This is something that could go into a Nuclear War ! and the majority of people could not care less ? sure looks that way !
The majority have not done any homework of their own, because Why ? Because they are just to pathetic too bother ?

 

[Trekson]

I understand, but that is still a rationale of what is seen as opposed to what has not been seen. All of what Jesus said and then accomplished to bring about and would "shortly take place" was confirmed even before hand when He said "It is finished." But the blind have explained it away and were themselves believed. The point is, any rationale that agrees with "My master is delaying his coming", should be avoided like "Satan get behind me!"

And to further confirm all that Jesus spoke of "which must shortly take place", then came the doctrine of "My master is delaying his coming" against the warnings from Jesus, Peter, and Paul. There is no excuse...and it should be crystal clear if one considers all of what is written rather than just the parts that can be put off to the future by unbelief based on what is seen rather than what is unseen.

So, not to be confused with Preterist theology that all things are finished and we all missed it--or that I am saying what I merely "believe" or "think" makes sense, but rather what I "know" from God--but this all involves the transition from times to eternity, which most have yet to comprehend. In other words, there is no correct explanation to all of these things that fits into a timeline of events, as what happens in time is of the world, and the context of these events are not of this world. If one can grasp those terms, the actual truth can follow. If not, those who cannot or will not, remain in darkness.

For those who are ready to comprehend the change that actually occurs in the moment, or hour, or day of Christ our Lord ("the day of the Lord")...it is indeed "finished." But as Paul stated clearly to unclear and immature minds, we who are His "were" crucified and raised up with Him (past tense), "but each one in his own order", meaning that it is indeed future also--but only for those to whom He has not yet come "the second time" in the perfect and full glory of the Father. Which is by definition "soon" and "quickly" and "shortly takes places", as oppose to those who "fall away" into the darkness of "believing the lie" that says "My master is delaying his coming", leading to "strong delusion."

"Then comes the end."

All of which properly defines the events of the times of this world as "created", and the things of heaven and the kingdom of God as timeless and eternal, making them the only thing that is actually "literal" according to God--as He is the measure, and the created world is not.

Was all prophecy finished on the cross? No, Jesus makes this clearer in Luke 24:44 - "And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me." Which is basically a summary of Is. 53 concerning His first advent only! The phrase,"my master is delaying His coming" is speaking of the present time period we are in, seeing as we know he was already here when the parable (not doctrine) was given. The same goes for Matt. 25:5. We are given signs to recognize when the DoL is coming and it hasn't happened yet as it always refers to His second coming.