Ezekiel is a true prophet of God: Animal sacrifices will be in Christ's Millennium

[robert derrick]

ha you speak as if you know, when you are actually must be on drugs?
i cant imagine how you got such a warped idea, esp from Ezekiel, which is let's admit way OT

Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.

And the Levites that are gone away far from me, when Israel went astray, which went astray away from me after their idols; they shall even bear their iniquity.

Yet they shall be ministers in my sanctuary, having charge at the gates of the house, and ministering to the house: they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people, and they shall stand before them to minister unto them.

But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, that kept the charge of my sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from me, they shall come near to me to minister unto me, and they shall stand before me to offer unto me the fat and the blood, saith the Lord GOD:

They shall enter into my sanctuary, and they shall come near to my table, to minister unto me, and they shall keep my charge.

fwiw if you had qualified your statements of Absolute Truth in the least i would not have bothered to venture into this whoreson's section/thread, but since you did, you do not know what youre talking about, you do not know when the Millenium begins, and you as a current JW at the moment are about the very last person on earth who should be making unqualified proclamations about the Bible

Na-ah you whoreson!

Well, that settles that.

In the past, you always were just a jokester. But obviously now your little prophetic tootsies have been stepped on.

So your true spirit is come, and you're just a boorish and petty joke.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

 

[robert derrick]

-There shall not be Priests that die to leave their wives as widows because all priests in the Millennium are changed into immortal bodies.


Ezekiel 44:22 Neither shall they take for their wives a widow, nor her that is put away: but they shall take maidens of the seed of the house of Israel, or a widow that had a priest before.


- Priests in the Millennium will not be married nor marrying anyone to themselves.

Ezekiel 44:22 Neither shall they take for their wives a widow, nor her that is put away: but they shall take maidens of the seed of the house of Israel, or a widow that had a priest before.

Mat_22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

This verse forbids such a concept.

If you're saying there are no natural people to be ruled by Jesus and His resurrected saints on earth, then you're not talking about His Millennium, but of another created one.

There are many made up variations of His Millennium on earth, as well as those that just reject it altogether.

-The prince

Many have suspected that this prince might literally be Jesus Christ.

There's no suspicion for me, that the Lord of Lords in Rev 19, is Jesus bodily coming again to earth, and to rule them remaining alive, after He smites them making war with Him.

Ezekiel 45:22 And upon that day shall the prince prepare for himself and for all the people of the land a bullock for a sin offering.

I find it impossible for this prince to be Christ since this prince also partakes in the sin offering for himself, his own sins, which we know Jesus does not have.

Now this is unworthy of you. Unfortunately your disciplined integrity with Scripture, that I have applauded elsewhere, does not extend to a favorite prophecy of your own.

If the prophecy were speaking of the Prince of Peace and Messiah the Prince Jesus Christ, as making a sin offering for Himself and the people, then this would indeed nullify the prophecy of Ezekiel as being false, since it would never come to pass, because it would make the risen Lord Jesus Christ a sinner like men.

It would be akin to finding some Scripture, that makes all animal sacrifices after the resurrection of Jesus, to be sinful, unholy, and blasphemous. Which has yet to be found and quoted.

45:22 is plainly taken out of context of Ezek 45, because this prince is certainly not spoken of as the Prince, but rather that there shall be many such natural princes, during Jesus' thousand year reign on earth:

In the land shall be his possession in Israel: and my princes shall no more oppress my people; and the rest of the land shall they give to the house of Israel according to their tribes.

Thus saith the Lord GOD; Let it suffice you, O princes of Israel: remove violence and spoil, and execute judgment and justice, take away your exactions from my people, saith the Lord GOD.

Ye shall have just balances, and a just ephah, and a just bath.

From the beginning of Ezek 44, it is made clear that after the Lord enters into His house on earth in Ezek 43, and sanctifies His throne with His glory, that the door shall be shut to none by the prince of the people, as well as His sanctified priests, who will draw near to Him in His temple, to do the priest’s office.

Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut.

It is for the prince; the prince, he shall sit in it to eat bread before the LORD; he shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate, and shall go out by the way of the same.

And so, another piece of the puzzle, that is the prophesied Millennium of Christ, shows He will always have a natural princely ruler over the promised land given to resurrected Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and there continued natural seed.

These princes appointed from among the natural seed, are allowed to rule in Christ's stead. Like His natural priests, they will be saved Christian Hebrews and Jews, that are both outwardly and inwardly circumcised and sanctified in Christ Jesus.

However, unlike saved Christians today, if they do sin, then they will offer sacrifices for sin unto the risen LORD and Prince Jesus Christ.

But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

 

[bbyrd009]

Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.

And the Levites that are gone away far from me, when Israel went astray, which went astray away from me after their idols; they shall even bear their iniquity.

Yet they shall be ministers in my sanctuary, having charge at the gates of the house, and ministering to the house: they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people, and they shall stand before them to minister unto them

well robert, i dont know, but i suggest that you are misinterpreting an ancient prophet that wrote when the law was still being established, and the law was doomed to fail, just as the laws you incessantly post will

Na-ah you whoreson!

Well, that settles that

it might settle it in your mind, bc you are under the law and dwell in a courtroom, but i suggest that it is more likely that it will be you (and the Hasidic Jews) that will change your minds, once you do not allow Israel to pass through

meanwhile its ok with me if you keep on making your statements of fact, as if you knew, i mean i guess thats how lessons get learned? best of luck to you ok

 

[WPM]

I no longer personally respond to those people, who have proven themselves useless to any argument, by phrasing questions dishonestly for effect, nor care what answers are given.

All they do is play the sophist's game of waiting a while and demanding the same answer again and again, just so they can publish their dishonest questions again and again.

He answered them, I have told you already, and ye did not hear: wherefore would ye hear it again? will ye also be his disciples?

In such cases, I'll quote and answer independently, rather than honor them with an honest personal response.

Every time your beliefs are exposed you do this. That is because your opinions cannot abide the Book. The reader can see how you cannot answer simple questions.

The reality is, the cross has rendered your old covenant sacrifices redundant forever. You will never ever refute that.

 

[robert derrick]

When Paul said in Hebrews 10:9 "He taketh away the first", who is He, and what did He take away?

You say forever, but Scripture prophecies differently in His Millennium.

Absolutely not. Under the definition of a testament (which dates back to ancient Biblical times, and which is actually a will and testament (Hebrews 9:15-17), there cannot be two concurrently active testaments.

Scripture says nothing of the Millennial offerings for sin are a covenant of any kind, but just animal sacrifices for sin and meat for the priesthood.

The prince among the people entering through His door, will also rule honestly without thievery.

I believe that part too.

A new testament unconditionally transcends an old testament.

True. The OT is dead and decayed altogetehr, as well as the nailed law of Moses.

There is no mention of the OT being revived, nor the law of Moses.

Just burnt offerings for sin, the feat of tabernacles, circumcision for the natural seed, both in the flesh and by the Spirit, just weights, etc...

The King will fulfill His own prophecies, even if certain other prophets forbid it.

That is why the first (old testament animal sacrifices) were taken away, in order to establish the second (New Testament Christ Sacrifice).

True.

The first can never be reinstated.

It won't. See above.

It never has, and never can, accompany the second.

The King's prophecy says otherwise.

Perhaps 'accompany' is too strong for you. The NT will continue as is, but with the risen Lord and His saints personally ministering His gospel to the people for the greatest harvest of souls unto God ever on earth, Meanwhile there will be certain practices of the King ministered by His priesthood, as well as certain festivals of the King will be kept by His nations, on pain of punishment if not.

The New Testament cannot be violated.

It's violated all the time by hypocrites, and we see at he end of the thousand years, many will be exposed as outwardly righteous only, while remaining inwardly filthy.

Scripture does not violate any Scripture at all, whether the NT gospel or prophecy of old.

Only men do that by preaching their own gospels, or prophesying their own prophecies, that violate Scripture of God.

If you have a Scriptural last word more recent than Hebrews 10:9, please quote it.

The last word of Scripture is, Amen.

However, there are prophecies of Scripture to be fulfilled in His Millennium, showing your reading of Paul is wrong, and you have no problem disannulling parts of those prophecies, that you do not personally like.

But don't worry, none of the resurrected saints will be making burnt offerings for sin, neither for themselves nor for the people they will rule with the Lord.

That is what Paul declared that Christ did. Do you agree that Paul and Christ both knew what Ezekiel said?

Yes, which is why Christ never had any of His apostles disannulling any part of His prophecy, that He gave to Ezekiel to write down by vision of God.

But you do.

Now, a simple challenge for you: Just state plainly any part of Ezekiel's prophecy, or of other prophets, that will not come to pass in the King's future Millennium on earth.
-- The King's house built to measurement?
-- The Lord entering His house with His glory, to sit on His throne?
-- The natural priesthood of seed of Abraham?
-- The Levites that only keep charge of the gates?
-- The burnt offering for sin of the princes and people?
-- The yearly feast of tabernacles?
-- The nations flowing to the King, to hear His law and walk in His paths?
-- Those taking hold of the skirts of Jews to be led to God the King?

If the Lord does reign for thousand years on earth, which of the above will be not come to pass?

 

[robert derrick]

well robert, i dont know,

If you don't know, then why say it as fact?

but i suggest

I don't have suggestions nor ideas to enter into interpreting prophecy of Scripture. Only Scripture that prophecies it, with my interpretation of it.

Which means teaching it exactly as written, without doing away with, nor changing the words, nor their meaning.

So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.

that you are misinterpreting an ancient prophet that wrote when the law was still being established, and the law was doomed to fail, just as the laws you incessantly post will

I don't imagine any ancient prophet. All prophets and apostles of Christ, are still prophets and apostles of Christ.

Neither the law nor prophecy nor doctrine of Christ, is ever doomed by God, when He gives them.

Prophecies of God are not just of what men will do, but is also of what He will do, no matter what men may say or think about it.

They are Personal oaths of God to perform, and He is not a liar, nor are His prophecies proven false, by Him not bringing them to pass, exactly He said will happen, because He will make it happen.

Ezek 40- is all about what the Lord will bring to pass in His Millenniums.

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

No prophecy of God is made from the opinions, likes, nor feelings of other men.

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

No fulfillment of prophecy of God is dependent upon the will of men. God will bring it pass no matter what men will do or not do or earth.

There is no condition set for the prophecy of Ezekiel, dependent upon the will of men, other than their own personal part in His first resurrection and His Millennium, or not.

Ezekiel 40- is either the Lord's prophecy of the making of His Millennium house and throne on earth, with the manner of His house as prophesied, or it is not.

If not, because the will of man is to declare certain parts as blasphemous, after the resurrection of Christ, then they will need to show where this prophecy already took place, or they say it will never come to pass and is false.

It certainly wasn't the second temple. And it can't be spiritually in the body of Christ, because while we do offer up the sacrifices of praise, we have not built His house to specification, for His glory to enter, nor are we NT Levites at the gates of His house, to make burnt offering for sin.

There are some that teach Christians will do so, before He comes again, but I do not agree with that, nor would I participate in it.

If any coming Christian leader on earth has Christians doing so, I say he is more likely to be a false christ with his own last days gospel and prophecy in and around Jeruslaem, even if worldwide.

And that house will not be used by the Lord Himself, but will be utterly destroyed at His coming again, along with the last great antichrist and false prophet and warring armies on earth.

it might settle it in your mind, bc you are under the law and dwell in a courtroom,

Back to the boorish tactics again.

And the case you are giving, is just personal angst and accusation, under the cloak of 'suggestion' and 'trying to help'.

I prefer things more honest. Especially in a court room of law.

 

[robert derrick]

but i suggest that it is more likely that it will be you (and the Hasidic Jews) that will change your minds, once you do not allow Israel to pass through

If I do, it will be by mistake and not being saved by Jesus, because though I have no clue what you are talking about, it doesn't sound like the manner of saints in Christ Jesus.

Also, I'm not a natural Jew after the flesh, but an inward Jew after the circumcision of Christ.

Neither do I disanull prophecy of Scripture, that I find personally distasteful.

meanwhile its ok with me if you keep on making your statements of fact, as if you knew, i mean i guess thats how lessons get learned?

When I quote Scripture, and give a definitive statement about it, it's called teaching with authority of Scripture, not my own will.

And, if no one can correct it clearly with Scripture, then it remains so.

best of luck to you ok

I'll take that as an apology for your spirit, though you're not retracting the words.

Which I don't mind, because without proof of Scripture I truly, honestly, and sincerely do not care.

I only offer rebuke for the other person's sake, not to defend any teaching, that is not corrected, but only rejected as whoreson heresy to someone else:

This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith.

 

[robert derrick]

Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 was a prophecy, and it was fulfilled in 536BC in the Zerubabbel 2nd temple, read it again

Many Claim Ezekiel Chapters 40-46, Represents A Future Temple In A Millennium On Earth, Is This True?​

As clearly shown, Ezekiel Chapter 43 showed the temple "Pattern" to the House of Israel in the Babylonian Captivity let "Them" measure, Ezekiel was instructed to write the ordinances and law in "Their" sight, that "They" keep them, not some future generation as many "Falsely" claim

The temple seen in Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 is nothing more than the 2nd Zerubbabel Temple built 536BC after the Babylonian Captivity, where animal sacrifice for "Sin" was was instructed by "God", prior to the shed blood of Jesus Christ on Calvary, don't be deceived

Ezekiel 43:10-11 & 19-21KJV
10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.

19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering.
20 And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it.
21 Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary.

Please don't waste peoples' time pasting under the guise of 'replying' to someone else.

The moderators have already warned you about such trolling.

If you want to showcase your traditions with scholar-speak, you can do so independently as many times as you wish.

 

[covenantee]

You say forever, but Scripture prophecies differently in His Millennium.

Why are you avoiding the question? Here it is again:

When Paul said in Hebrews 10:9 "He taketh away the first", who is He, and what did He take away?

You agreed in post 66 that:
"Scripture says for all time and all people."

 

[ewq1938]

45:22 is plainly taken out of context of Ezek 45, because this prince is certainly not spoken of as the Prince, but rather that there shall be many such natural princes, during Jesus' thousand year reign on earth:

Nothing was taken out of context nor did you offer evidence of such. The prince which is referred to in the singular is the head prince, not one of the many lower princes. He does sacrifice animals for his own sins. In this story, he is a mortal sinful man like all men. This is not prophecy and this prince is not Jesus. You also failed to comment on all the other things in this that contradict what we know about the true Millennium like Priests being married or dying which is impossible since they would be immortal. Belief that this part of Ezekiel is the Millennium is a weak spot in most Premill's theology. Consider my words as you have once before and confront yourself on the points I made.

 

[Dustykitten]

Rejecting Christ's Millennium requires rejecting Ezekiel as a true prophet of God.

And when this cometh to pass, (lo, it will come,) then shall they know that a prophet hath been among them. (Ezek 33)

When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. (Deut 18)

The law of prophecy of God in Scripture is clear: If a prophet prophecies anything, and it come not to pass, that is a false prophet.

If the prophecies of Ezekiel do not come to pass as written, then he must be judged a false prophet.

Those denying Christ's Millennium prophesied by Ezekiel, declaring it will not come to pass at all, must also according to Scripture, declare Ezekiel a false prophet.

This includes those that reject parts of Ezekiel's prophecy, and so must reject all of Ezekiel's prophecy pertaining to Christ's Millennium.

To disannul Ezekiel's prophecy of animal sacrifices in the Millennium, is to disanull all of Ezekiel's prophecy of the Millennium.

Doing so by theological arguments, that are not proven by Scripture, is no excuse.

We either accept the Millennium of Christ as plainly written by all the Millennial prophecies in Scripture, or we reject the Millennium altogether, or we make up our own personal millennium to teach.

Maybe it's time to wonder why blood and flesh of innocent animals is pleasing to a holy spirit.

 

[bbyrd009]

Please don't waste peoples' time pasting under the guise of 'replying' to someone else.

The moderators have already warned you about such trolling.

If you want to showcase your traditions with scholar-speak, you can do so independently as many times as you wish.

i thought it was pretty pertinent?
you are being pathetic robert, and you might at least contemplate your end here, if nothing else

 

[WPM]

If I do, it will be by mistake and not being saved by Jesus, because though I have no clue what you are talking about, it doesn't sound like the manner of saints in Christ Jesus.

Also, I'm not a natural Jew after the flesh, but an inward Jew after the circumcision of Christ.

Neither do I disanull prophecy of Scripture, that I find personally distasteful.


When I quote Scripture, and give a definitive statement about it, it's called teaching with authority of Scripture, not my own will.

And, if no one can correct it clearly with Scripture, then it remains so.




I'll take that as an apology for your spirit, though you're not retracting the words.

Which I don't mind, because without proof of Scripture I truly, honestly, and sincerely do not care.

I only offer rebuke for the other person's sake, not to defend any teaching, that is not corrected, but only rejected as whoreson heresy to someone else:

This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith.

Not so. Your posts are marked by avoidance and ad hominem. It is there for all the see. You have been unable to prove what you have claimed.

 

[WPM]

Simple! Those offerings and sacrifices in the new Temple are for covering and for sanctification, But mainly they are for the glory of God, as Isaiah 56:7, Ezekiel 20:40-41, Jeremiah 33:18, tell us.

Is Jesus not enough for you Premils? He is for Amils! Hebrews 10:9-10 directly and explicitly nails the lie to this theory that men will be one day in the future be sanctified by the restoration of more the abolished animal sacrifices: “He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”

Why would believers need anything else? The Premillennial theory undermines every element of the work of the cross, rendering it unsatisfactory. Because if it was fully and finally satisfactory as the New Testament intimates then there was no need for the restoration of the old ordinances. This popular Premil belief that men will be sanctified by animal sacrifices does great injury to the glorious Gospel of Christ which shows that we are eternally sanctified by the Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 6:11 states, “ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.”

The only means of entry into the presence of God is the Lord Jesus Christ. There is no other way. Calvary has rendered the animal blood sacrifices totally obsolete. The Old Testament system is redundant. The cross removed the Old Covenant and ushered in the new superior eternal and final covenant. It is through Christ alone that we enter into God's presence.

Why do men need animal sacrifices to cover their sin on the new earth when the blood of Jesus is still active and efficacious? In fact it is an eternal sacrifice.

Speaking of Jesus, Hebrews 2:11 says, “For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren.”

Hebrews 13:11-12 records, “For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.”

Who or what is it that sanctifies Israel on the new earth? Or is it a joint effort between Christ and Zadok priesthood to sanctify God’s ancient people? Or is it a competition between the two as to which will sanctify them the best?

The word interpreted "sanctifieth" and "sanctified" here is the Greek word hagiazo meaning to purify, consecrate, sanctify or cover. All men that wish to approach God (whether now, in the past or in the future) come exclusively though and by Christ. There is no other covering. Christ is the final covering for sin. He is the fulfilment of every sin offering. There is therefore absolutely no biblical warrant for resurrecting the old covenant Judaic sacrificial system outside of rebelling against the fact that Christ is the final sacrifice for sin. This is a very serious matter. Christ has made that one final satisfactory sacrifice for sin. The old ordinances were nailed to the tree with Christ. The old covenant was removed with the introduction of the new, yet Premils insist on the re-starting of these abolished sacrifices.

1 Corinthians 1:30-31 also tells us: “of him (God) are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.”

The sinner's covering or sanctification today is Christ. This Premillennial hope totally undoes the exclusive efficacy and sole propitiatiatory (or substitutionary) qualities of the blood of Jesus. I'm sorry but I am of the strong view that this belief totally undermines the still active work of the cross. Jesus alone is man's final offering, sacrifice and hope of escaping the wrath of God.

Those who suggest mortal sinners will inhabit the new earth and will be rendered clean by reintroduction of the abolished old covenant sacrifices have no grasp of the mission and achievement of Christ, the character of the new covenant and repeated New Testament teaching about the cross.

 

[bbyrd009]

word

it is a descent into madness and ignorance, from those one is not too surprised to find there imo

 

[Michiah-Imla]

 

[covenantee]

There is therefore absolutely no biblical warrant for resurrecting the old covenant Judaic sacrificial system outside of rebelling against the fact that Christ is the final sacrifice for sin. This is a very serious matter.

Amen brother.

 

[bbyrd009]

If I do, it will be by mistake and not being saved by Jesus, because though I have no clue what you are talking about, it doesn't sound like the manner of saints in Christ Jesus.

Also, I'm not a natural Jew after the flesh, but an inward Jew after the circumcision of Christ.

Neither do I disanull prophecy of Scripture, that I find personally distasteful.


When I quote Scripture, and give a definitive statement about it, it's called teaching with authority of Scripture, not my own will.

And, if no one can correct it clearly with Scripture, then it remains so.




I'll take that as an apology for your spirit, though you're not retracting the words.

Which I don't mind, because without proof of Scripture I truly, honestly, and sincerely do not care.

I only offer rebuke for the other person's sake, not to defend any teaching, that is not corrected, but only rejected as whoreson heresy to someone else:

This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith.

gee i wonder how many 62 year old Robert Derrick JWs live in Houston lol
what would your elders say to all this?
i mean dont get me wrong, i dont fault you for straying from that fold, ok...
but imo you will go the way of every other false eschatologist and Tomorrow Person,
which i guess sounds like some kind of superior chastisement, but i am only seeking to warn you ok

 

[Truth7t7]

Please don't waste peoples' time pasting under the guise of 'replying' to someone else.

The moderators have already warned you about such trolling.

If you want to showcase your traditions with scholar-speak, you can do so independently as many times as you wish.

Sounds like a person that wants to "Silence" his opposition, being exposed is dangerous

Same thing communist dictators do in countries like China, Russia, and Venezuela

That's correct, Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 is nothing more than the 2nd Zerubabbel Temple built in 536BC after the Babylonian Captivity, with your claims of it being a future Temple being "False"

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