WAKE UP!!! Church pastors we are living in the days of the very near rapture!

[Ronald Nolette]

Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
Matt 13:13

Wish you would answer me in you rown words instead of this pseudo spiritual porridge you are doing. If I wish to debate with Jesus, I can- you are not HIm and misusing His Words to hide from giving understandable answers is childish.

 

[The Light]

Then show me the verse where Jesus said Satan would perform a fake rapture!

He's just misunderstanding. When the rapture occurs there will be a fake alien invasion.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

He's just misunderstanding. When the rapture occurs there will be a fake alien invasion.

Explain what a fake alien invasion is and why it equates to a rapture.

 

[David in NJ]

He's just misunderstanding. When the rapture occurs there will be a fake alien invasion.

Pre-planned alien invasion occurs before the Second Coming of Christ. When He Comes it's Resurrection = 1 Thess 4:13-18

Confusion occurs when a person adds to God's words or takes away from them = Proverbs 30:5-6

Our LORD & SAVIOR is very adamant about this = Revelation 22:18

 

[The Light]

Pre-planned alien invasion occurs before the Second Coming of Christ. When He Comes it's Resurrection = 1 Thess 4:13-18

Satan already knows that the Lord is going to come for His bride and those that are ready will be caught up. He already has the plan in place to explain this disappearance. Beam me up Scotty.

Confusion occurs when a person adds to God's words or takes away from them = Proverbs 30:5-6

Our LORD & SAVIOR is very adamant about this = Revelation 22:18

All these things are happening around you and you are unaware. Why is that?

 

[David in NJ]

Satan already knows that the Lord is going to come for His bride and those that are ready will be caught up. He already has the plan in place to explain this disappearance. Beam me up Scotty.


All these things are happening around you and you are unaware. Why is that?

YES, when the Lord Returns, some Saints of His Body/Church will be alive on earth = at His Coming.

These Saints will be some Jews & many Gentiles in Christ = Jesus said so = make sure you do not call Him a liar.

And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth = ALL Nations = Jew & Gentile = One Gospel = One Rachel = Jew & Gentile

How is it you do not believe the Gospel = the very words of Christ???

 

[The Light]

YES, when the Lord Returns, some Saints of His Body/Church will be alive on earth = at His Coming.

These Saints will be some Jews & many Gentiles in Christ = Jesus said so = make sure you do not call Him a liar.

And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth = ALL Nations = Jew & Gentile = One Gospel = One Rachel = Jew & Gentile

How is it you do not believe the Gospel = the very words of Christ???

The Word says that the 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel. It also says the people of Daniel will not be able to see until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. So that rapture at the 6th seal will be more for the Jews. The Gentiles that will be saved will be gleanings of the first harvest.

How is it that you do not understand these things?

 

[David in NJ]

The Word says that the 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel. It also says the people of Daniel will not be able to see until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. So that rapture at the 6th seal will be more for the Jews. The Gentiles that will be saved will be gleanings of the first harvest.

How is it that you do not understand these things?

The Word of God never lies.

Where is the pre-trib rapture in the Book of Daniel?

 

[The Light]

The Word of God never lies.

Where is the pre-trib rapture in the Book of Daniel?

Straight out of the WPM handbook of irrelevant questions? Where is the Last Supper in the book of Daniel? Couldn't find it huh. Does that mean there was no Last Supper?

 

[David in NJ]

Straight out of the WPM handbook of irrelevant questions? Where is the Last Supper in the book of Daniel? Couldn't find it huh. Does that mean there was no Last Supper?

The Last Supper was between Jesus and the Twelve Disciples.

The Rapture occurs at the Second Coming of Christ AFTER the Resurrection of Billions/Trillions of Saints from the Grave.

There are actual OT Prophecies of both the Resurrection of Christ and the Resurrection of the Saints.

Daniel 12:1-3
At that time Michael, the great prince who stands watch over your people, will rise up. There will be a time of distress, the likes of which will not have occurred from the beginning of nations until that time. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.

And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt.
Then the wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness will shine like the stars forever and ever.

Jesus says this to you:
"I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, white garments so that you may be clothed and your shameful nakedness not exposed, and salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.
Those I love, I rebuke and discipline. Therefore be earnest and repent.

 

[ewq1938]

Please. Where is he going? To His fathers house, that where he goes, we may be also. Cut and dried. Simple

And imaginary since that is not what it says.

Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

He is on the Earth when speaking this, and "I go to prepare a place for you." is the Ascension. That places him in heaven.

Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again,

And here he speaks of the second coming when he leaves heaven to come here to us.


and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.


Listen closely now. He says "that where I am, there ye may be also"

Where I am not where I will go. Where he is at that point is in the clouds of the Earth, and that is where we will be received unto him. So, when it says "there ye may be also" is in the clouds of the Earth. You keep inserting a second going, going back to heaven but that is not found there nor in any scripture.

This is what cut and dried actually means using the actual wording of scripture to show what is said rather than what we may want it to say.

 

[The Light]

And imaginary since that is not what it says.

Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

He is on the Earth when speaking this, and "I go to prepare a place for you." is the Ascension. That places him in heaven.

Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again,

And here he speaks of the second coming when he leaves heaven to come here to us.


and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.


Listen closely now. He says "that where I am, there ye may be also"

Where I am not where I will go. Where he is at that point is in the clouds of the Earth, and that is where we will be received unto him. So, when it says "there ye may be also" is in the clouds of the Earth. You keep inserting a second going, going back to heaven but that is not found there nor in any scripture.

This is what cut and dried actually means using the actual wording of scripture to show what is said rather than what we may want it to say.

You are correct in that He stays in the clouds. But you are incorrect that He does not return to heaven. He returns to heaven for the marriage supper.

Rev 7
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

 

[The Light]

The Last Supper was between Jesus and the Twelve Disciples.

The Rapture occurs at the Second Coming of Christ AFTER the Resurrection of Billions/Trillions of Saints from the Grave.

There are actual OT Prophecies of both the Resurrection of Christ and the Resurrection of the Saints.

Daniel 12:1-3
At that time Michael, the great prince who stands watch over your people, will rise up. There will be a time of distress, the likes of which will not have occurred from the beginning of nations until that time. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.

And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt.
Then the wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness will shine like the stars forever and ever.

Jesus says this to you:
"I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, white garments so that you may be clothed and your shameful nakedness not exposed, and salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.
Those I love, I rebuke and discipline. Therefore be earnest and repent.

You always miss the most important part of what is being talked about.

This occurs at the end of the great tribulation. And WHO IS BEING RAISED?
Daniel 12
Daniel 12:1-3
At that time Michael, the great prince who stands watch over your people, will rise up. There will be a time of distress, the likes of which will not have occurred from the beginning of nations until that time. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.

It is the people of Daniel that are raised up immediately after the tribulation of those days. The great tribulation is the time of JACOB'S trouble. It has nothing to do with the Church, as they are already in heaven before the seals are opened.

How is it that you do not understand the written Word of God, when we are clearly told WHO this is about?

 

[ewq1938]

You are correct in that He stays in the clouds. But you are incorrect that He does not return to heaven. He returns to heaven for the marriage supper.

Rev 7
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Rev 7 is the timeframe of the eternity, far into the future. Again, no scripture ever states Christ returns to heaven, and certainly not the passage you cited as I have shown.

 

[The Light]

Rev 7 is the timeframe of the eternity, far into the future. Again, no scripture ever states Christ returns to heaven, and certainly not the passage you cited as I have shown.

What you have made up does agree with the Word. You do this often because you can't accept what the written Word of God says.
Revelation 7 shows the great multitude in heaven after the rapture that occurs at the 6th seal. Simple as that. Cut and dried. No need to make up anything.

 

[ewq1938]

What you have made up does agree with the Word. You do this often because you can't accept what the written Word of God says.
Revelation 7 shows the great multitude in heaven after the rapture that occurs at the 6th seal. Simple as that. Cut and dried. No need to make up anything.

I didn't make anything up. I know how to identify the timeframe a passage belongs to. Rev 7 isn't showing the time right after the rapture nor the timeframe of the events of the 6th seal. They are a match for Rev 21, the eternity. Revelation is not in chronological order much of the time. Read Rev 7, then read Rev 21, and go back and forth until you see how they match.

 

[David in NJ]

You always miss the most important part of what is being talked about.

This occurs at the end of the great tribulation. And WHO IS BEING RAISED?
Daniel 12
Daniel 12:1-3
At that time Michael, the great prince who stands watch over your people, will rise up. There will be a time of distress, the likes of which will not have occurred from the beginning of nations until that time. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.

It is the people of Daniel that are raised up immediately after the tribulation of those days. The great tribulation is the time of JACOB'S trouble. It has nothing to do with the Church, as they are already in heaven before the seals are opened.

How is it that you do not understand the written Word of God, when we are clearly told WHO this is about?

#1 - "YOUR PEOPLE" are Jew & Gentile in YESHUA = "Everyone whose name is found written in the Book"
Luke 10:20 - "do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven.”
Revelation 20:15 - "And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire."

#2 - The Resurrection of the Saints occurs at the Second Coming of MESSIAH = 1 Thess 4:13-18 , Daniel 7:13-14 & 12:1-4

#3 - NO RAPTURE until AFTER the RESURRECTION = 1 Thess 4:13-18 = the dead in MESSIAH Rise FIRST

#4 - ONE Gospel for Jew & Gentile , ONE Body = "Daniel/Your People" = Ephesians chapter 2

Repent from spreading falsehood(pre-trib rapture) and being a false teacher. You mishandle the Word of God - Proverbs 30:5-6

Jesus says to you: anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten.
Therefore be zealous and repent

 

[Timtofly]

He's just misunderstanding. When the rapture occurs there will be a fake alien invasion.

It won't be fake. All the stars will come to earth as God's angels. Satan will deceive people into thinking all the angels are aliens, because the entertainment industry has been conditioning people since 1948.

Instead of body snatchers, the angels will be removing souls out of Adam's dead corruptible flesh. God's angels have always appeared as men. Not aliens taking over human bodies.

Jesus comes to the Mount of Olives at the 6th Seal. He brings all the angels from the firmament with Him. These verses are not symbolic:

"The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels."

"And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

"And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven."

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:"

When it says all, it means all.

"And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind."

This is symbolism for the angels coming to earth at the Second Coming.

The angels round up the entire church at this event to meet the Lord in the air, but then all the angels come to earth with Jesus, and the church remains in Paradise. No where in these verses do the saints come yet. They have to wait until all the harvest is gathered, up until the battle of Armageddon which is the last harvest of the dead with the mark of the beast.

"And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

All the harvest of the Trumpets and Thunders has to happen after the Church is glorified. The AoD has to happen after the Thunders, not before the 5th and 6th Seal. Revelation is the correct chronological order of this final harvest. The angels are on earth during the Trumpets and Thunders before the 7th Trumpet even sounds. It is in the midst of the days of the 7th Trumpet that the third woe happens. Satan may get to set up the AoD then, but certainly not prior to the 7th Trumpet.

 

[Timtofly]

The Word of God never lies.

Where is the pre-trib rapture in the Book of Daniel?

Where is the tribulation in the book of Daniel?

 

[Timtofly]

Rev 7 is the timeframe of the eternity, far into the future. Again, no scripture ever states Christ returns to heaven, and certainly not the passage you cited as I have shown.

No it is not.

It is the current condition since the Cross. There is no temple in eternity. See Revelation 21 about no temple.

The only temple has been in Paradise for the last 1993 years. It will remain during the Millennium, because after Revelation 21:1, Paradise becomes the New Jerusalem, and there is no longer a temple in the New Jerusalem.

"And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof."

Compared to:

"Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."

Revelation 7 does not say there is no sun. Paradise is above the light that acts as the sun. The sun is for the earth, not Paradise.

In Revelation 21 the New Jerusalem is on the earth. The earth no longer needs the sun, because the New Jerusalem is the light of the earth, not the sun.