WAKE UP!!! Church pastors we are living in the days of the very near rapture!

[marks]

Oh Boy - here we go....

3466 mystḗrion (the root of the English term, "mystery") – mystery. In the Bible, a "mystery" (3466 /mystḗrion) is not something unknowable. Rather, it is what can only be known through revelation, i.e. because God reveals it.


More OT musterion

I will declare Your name to My brethren;
In the midst of the assembly I will praise You.
You who fear the Lord, praise Him!
All you descendants of Jacob, glorify Him,
And fear Him, all you offspring of Israel!
Psalm 22

So then, when Paul says, I don't want you ignorant, I show you a mystery, this is the revelation.

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

Not so, they don't say that. They say that God is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but that doesn't change the fact that the "church in the wilderness" refers to the unbelieving nation who was "called out" (= ekklesia = church) called out from Egypt, but died in the wilderness due to unbelief.

True believers are contrasted against these, and we are told to not be like them.

Much love!

NEVER forget that i greatly appreciate your love and YOU in Christ = our fellowship together in HIM........

 

[marks]

NEVER forget that i greatly appreciate your love and YOU in Christ = our fellowship together in HIM........

Ditto!!

 

[David in NJ]

So then, when Paul says, I don't want you ignorant, I show you a mystery, this is the revelation.

Much love!

Correct = He has Revelation given to him by the Holy Spirit unlocking the musterion of the OT Scriptures
AND
Revelation of how the Gospel was foretold in the OT Scriptures
AND
even more = thus bringing us UP to Date with Present and Future = Second Coming = which also is in the OT

 

[David in NJ]

Ditto!!

marks,
thank you my Brother

 

[marks]

Oh Boy - here we go....

3466 mystḗrion (the root of the English term, "mystery") – mystery. In the Bible, a "mystery" (3466 /mystḗrion) is not something unknowable. Rather, it is what can only be known through revelation, i.e. because God reveals it.


More OT musterion

I will declare Your name to My brethren;
In the midst of the assembly I will praise You.
You who fear the Lord, praise Him!
All you descendants of Jacob, glorify Him,
And fear Him, all you offspring of Israel!
Psalm 22

I'm not sure you understood rightly what I was saying . . .

When Paul wrote, Behold, I show you a mystery, this means, it wasn't revealed previously. It's a Musterion, and Paul is only at that moment revealing it.

The harpadzo, the, we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, these were not revealed before. Not in the OT, not anywhere. Until that moment when Paul revealed it.

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

I'm not sure you understood rightly what I was saying . . .

When Paul wrote, Behold, I show you a mystery, this means, it wasn't revealed previously. It's a Musterion, and Paul is only at that moment revealing it.

The harpadzo, the, we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, these were not revealed before. Not in the OT, not anywhere. Until that moment when Paul revealed it.

Much love!

There is a difference between NEVER Before Spoken/Revealed
AND
Spoken Beforehand in OT Scripture but kept as a MYSTERY until the TIME of Christ and the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Hey, even the foreshadow of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is in Genesis and OT Scripture

 

[David in NJ]

I'm not sure you understood rightly what I was saying . . .

When Paul wrote, Behold, I show you a mystery, this means, it wasn't revealed previously. It's a Musterion, and Paul is only at that moment revealing it.

The harpadzo, the, we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, these were not revealed before. Not in the OT, not anywhere. Until that moment when Paul revealed it.

Much love!

MY Brother Marks = you have me laughing in JOY = see here OT Prophecy

At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.
2And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
Some to everlasting life,
Some to shame and everlasting [a]contempt.
3Those who are wise shall shine
Like the brightness of the firmament,
And those who turn many to righteousness
Like the stars forever and ever.

 

[marks]

MY Brother Marks = you have me laughing in JOY = see here

At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.
2And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
Some to everlasting life,
Some to shame and everlasting [a]contempt.
3Those who are wise shall shine
Like the brightness of the firmament,
And those who turn many to righteousness
Like the stars forever and ever.

1 Corinthians 15:51-54 KJV
51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54) So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Check out all the places where Musterion appears in the NT. Carefully and slowly read the verses before and after, to make sure you get the full sense of what is being said. Forget about this discussion, the implications to yours or my views, just immerse yourself in all the places that word appears, and the other phrases used with it, like, hid from the foundation of the world,

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

1 Corinthians 15:51-54 KJV
51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54) So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Check out all the places where Musterion appears in the NT. Carefully and slowly read the verses before and after, to make sure you get the full sense of what is being said. Forget about this discussion, the implications to yours or my views, just immerse yourself in all the places that word appears, and the other phrases used with it, like, hid from the foundation of the world,

Much love!

The 'mystery' comes from OT.

The revealing of the 'mystery' comes from OT + Gospel + Baptism in the Holy Spirit upon Apostle Paul.

Do you see the Resurrection and Transformation into Incorruption in Daniel 12:1-3 ???

 

[marks]

Do you see the Resurrection and Transformation into Incorruption in Daniel 12:1-3 ???

Daniel 12:1-3 KJV
1) And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2) And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3) And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

I see the resurrection of Daniel's people, the Israelites.

Much love!

 

[The Light]

I didn't make anything up. I know how to identify the timeframe a passage belongs to. Rev 7 isn't showing the time right after the rapture nor the timeframe of the events of the 6th seal. They are a match for Rev 21, the eternity.

That is not correct. You skip a complete event, the marriage. The great multitude of Revelation 7 goes to heaven for the marriage supper in Revelation 19.

Rev 19
6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

You claim that Jesus never leaves heaven but He does, at the rapture of the dead in Christ and the alive believers. Also at the 6th seal which is the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 and Rev 14. And then He returns at the end of wrath to set up His kingdom on earth. Here is where He leaves heaven with those armies.

Rev 19
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Revelation is not in chronological order much of the time. Read Rev 7, then read Rev 21, and go back and forth until you see how they match.

I understand that Revelation is not in order. However you leave quite a bit out as shown above.

 

[David in NJ]

Daniel 12:1-3 KJV
1) And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2) And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3) And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

I see the resurrection of Daniel's people, the Israelites.

Much love!

Marks, REJECT the doctrines of men and BELIEVE the TRUTH

#1 - "YOUR PEOPLE" are Jew & Gentile in YESHUA = "Everyone whose name is found written in the Book"
Luke 10:20 - "do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven.”
Revelation 20:15 - "And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire."

#2 - ONE Gospel for Jew & Gentile , ONE Body = "Daniel/Your People" = Ephesians chapter 2

#3 - But you(Jew & GENTILE) are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy

#4 - Romans ch9
As He says also in Hosea:
“I will call them My people, who were not My people,
And her beloved, who was not beloved.”
“And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them,
‘You are not My people,’
There they shall be called sons of the living God.”

pre-trib rapture is a heresy that gives birth to even more heresies

 

[marks]

REJECT the doctrines of men

Naturally, and you too!

Much love!

 

[marks]

pre-trib rapture is a heresy that gives birth to even more heresies

The real question is about dispensations.

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

Naturally, and you too!

Much love!

So now, according to the Holy Scriptures = Who are the People of God that will Rise from the Dust in Daniel 12:1-3

 

[David in NJ]

The real question is about dispensations.

Much love!

No.

It is a question of this = Did pre-trib rapture ever come out of the Mouth of God? = Matt 4:4

 

[marks]

No.

It is a question of this = Did pre-trib rapture ever come out of the Mouth of God? = Matt 4:4

If affects how one interprets the text. It's why we understand differently. At least that's what I think.

Much love!

 

[marks]

So now, according to the Holy Scriptures = Who are the People of God that will Rise from the Dust in Daniel 12:1-3

Who does it say? Daniel's people. Who is that?

Daniel 12:1-3 KJV
1) And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2) And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3) And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Much love!

 

[The Light]

It won't be fake. All the stars will come to earth as God's angels. Satan will deceive people into thinking all the angels are aliens, because the entertainment industry has been conditioning people since 1948.

You are correct that people have been conditioned for quite some time to believe a rapture. You are incorrect as the Church will be raptured long before the stars fall from heaven.

Jesus comes to the Mount of Olives at the 6th Seal.

Jesus does NOT come to the Mount of Olives at the 6th seal. Jesus remains in the clouds and sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. They are going to the marriage supper in heaven, as the great multitude, that we see in Rev 7, right after the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal.

Revelation 19
6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

Then Jesus leaves heaven with His armies and then goes to the Mount of Olives

Rev 19
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

He brings all the angels from the firmament with Him. These verses are not symbolic:

"The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels."

"And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

"And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven."

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:"

When it says all, it means all.

"And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind."

This is symbolism for the angels coming to earth at the Second Coming.

The stars fall from heaven at the 6th seal. Jesus remains in the clouds at the gathering from heaven and earth. We all go to the marriage supper in heaven. After that we return with Jesus at the end of the trumpets (and vials) when Jesus sets His feet on the mount of Olives.

All the harvest of the Trumpets and Thunders has to happen after the Church is glorified. The AoD has to happen after the Thunders, not before the 5th and 6th Seal.

The tribulation is OVER at the 6th seal. The AOD is long past. The thunders are during the wrath of God. WRATH CANNOT HAPPEN UNTIL THE 7TH SEAL IS OPENED.

Revelation is the correct chronological order of this final harvest. The angels are on earth during the Trumpets and Thunders before the 7th Trumpet even sounds. It is in the midst of the days of the 7th Trumpet that the third woe happens. Satan may get to set up the AoD then, but certainly not prior to the 7th Trumpet.

The AOD takes place in the seals. Jesus returns for the gathering from heaven and earth at the 6th seal. Then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins. The thunders take place during the one-year wrath of God.