Renewable Salvation

[Behold]

What should trouble Christians here as I see it is when someone enters in and attempts to promote a false gospel that makes Jesus a liar and fraud. On purpose!

Salvation is this...

Jesus on the Cross.........said...."It Is Fiinished"

What is Finished?

Salvation.

How do you know?

A.) Jesus said He finished it, then died and rose again to prove it.


This is why Jesus said..>>"I am the only WAY to the Father, no one comes to the Father by by ME".

A.) The Cross of Christ.

John 14:6

 

[Robert Gwin]

God does not accept commandment keeping to save you, so He also would not accept commandment keeping to keep you.

That's pretty obvious.

Why are you working then sir? Mat 7:21

 

[Behold]

Why are you working then sir? Mat 7:21

There are always a blessed handful on a forum, who understand Grace, and want to learn more.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Thousands of commandment keeping water baptized people died and went to hell today.

Jesus said... "you must be born again" and they were not.

We agree, it is only the born again ones that do not have to go to hell, but that wasn't always the case sir. What is more when Jesus returns, none of the survivors will either.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

"But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God Which raiseth the dead: Who deliveredus from so great a death, and doth deliver: in Whom we trust that Hewill yet deliver us;" (2 Corinthians 1:9-10 KJB!)

I profusely apologize for leaving out This Most Valuable Scripture Passage:

"But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not​

trust in ourselves, but in God Which raiseth the dead: Who delivered​

us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in Whom we trust that He​

will yet deliver us;" (2 Corinthians 1:9-10 KJB!)​

Repaired the damage in post # 72. Thanks for your prayerful and Careful consideration of
God's Word Of Truth! Amen.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Salvation is this...

Jesus on the Cross.........said...."It Is Fiinished"

What is Finished?

Salvation.

“…thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:20-22)

im a Teaching Evangelist.

 

[Behold]

“…thou standest by faith

That is not the context of Salvation., And that verse is not written to the "church".
Its written to the Gentiles..
So, you have to understand that.

Also, We dont stand by faith, nor is Faith the Savior.

"Our Standing" is "In Christ" "Born again" "A new Creation"..... And this Knowledge is the Faith by which i stand.

To have real faith, is to have the right understanding of Faith, subsequent to believing faith.
Believing faith is that first faith we have...that God accepts to save us.....but then our walk of faith is different.
There is a walk of Faith, and that is the Standing, as this is based on becoming "made righteous", as "one with God"., having received "the gift of Salvation" and "the Gift of Righteousness".

Our literal standing, if we are born again, is "Having Eternal Life", a "Son/Daughter" of God.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

That is not the context of Salvation., And that verse is not written to the "church".

Its written to the Gentiles..
So, you have to understand that.

What “faith” are the gentiles here standing on then?

I’m not aware of multiple faiths in scripture.

“There is… one faith…” (Ephesians 4:4-5)

So what are you peddling now?

To have real faith, is to have the right understanding of Faith

Unscriptural nonesense.

You either have faith, or no faith!

There’s nothing to understand about faith!

“Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference” (Romans 3:22)

Where’s the word “real” in the text?

To say nothing of “understanding of faith”…

You’ve meddled with too much unbiblical garbage.

 

[Behold]

What “faith” are the gentiles here standing on then?

I’m not aware of multiple faiths in scripture.

“There is… one faith…” (Ephesians 4:4-5)

Salvation is not a temporary situation.
Being born again, never ends.

So, you have understand that "context", is everything when trying to discern scriptures.

This means that when Paul is talking to a Greek, He's not talking to a Hebrew, and the verse will show it., contextually, as a Greek is not the "house of Israel"
Same with the Gentiles not being Hebrews.
So, all this spiritual symbolism about "grafted" and "branches'.....
You take it literally, and symbolism is not Literal......its symbolic.

That God could undo it all, is true, but its not going to happen.
If God wanted to do it, He could wipe out memory, existence, creation, Lucifer, ........all of this........As "with God all things are possible".
So, that is the context of your verse.

 

[Titus]

It's not about what you do, Robert,

If salvation has nothing to do with what I do then I don't need to believe. For believing is doing,
Acts 16:30-31,
- And he brought them out and said Sirs, what must I  do to be saved.

Charlie24 says it is not what we do.
Is that Paul's response to the Philippian Jailer?

Verse 31,
- So they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved, you and your household.

Who does the believing? Does God do the believing for you?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Salvation is not a temporary situation.
Being born again, never ends.

“…I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you…” (1 Corinthians 15:1-2)

IF

IF

IF

THAT PESKY “IF”

 

[Charlie24]

If salvation has nothing to do with what I do then I don't need to believe. For believing is doing,
Acts 16:30-31,
- And he brought them out and said Sirs, what must I  do to be saved.

Charlie24 says it is not what we do.
Is that Paul's response to the Philippian Jailer?

Verse 31,
- So they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved, you and your household.

Who does the believing? Does God do the believing for you?

Titus, let me ask you, If believing is a work of doing, why does Paul make a sharp contrast between works and faith?

Eph. 2:8-9

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast."

I can tell you why, because Titus spends all his time in arguments rather than the Word of God!

 

[Titus]

Titus, let me ask you, If believing is a work of doing, why does Paul make a sharp contrast between works and faith?

Eph. 2:8-9

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast."

I can tell you why, because Titus spends all his time in arguments rather than the Word of God!

How would you know? You don't know me from Adam.
Its unwise and dis-honest to make claims about others you know little to nothing about.
I would never make a statement of fact about how much you study, the way you did with me.

Now Ephesians 2:8-9,
- Where and How were the Ephesians saved?
I'll give you a hint, it's in the book of Acts.

I love you Charlie24. I'd much rather say amen, than disagree

 

[Charlie24]

How would you know? You don't know me from Adam.
Its unwise and dis-honest to make claims about others you know little to nothing about.
I would never make a statement of fact about how much you study, the way you did with me.

Now Ephesians 2:8-9,
- Where and How were the Ephesians saved?
I'll give you a hint, it's in the book of Acts.

I love you Charlie24. I'd much rather say amen, than disagree

But you can't not disagree, even when you're proven wrong. You insist on arguing!

 

[Titus]

But you can't not disagree, even when you're proven wrong. You insist on arguing!

Where was I wrong now? You say we do nothing to be saved. Where does the Bible teach this?

 

[Titus]

“…I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you…” (1 Corinthians 15:1-2)

IF

IF

IF

THAT PESKY “IF”

Excellent point,
If ye(that's us being told to do something) keep in memory, Our salvation is dependent on us keeping, believing the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Paul never taught we do nothing and God does everything.
If so, don't bother teaching others the gospel, that's Gods job, He does everything in mans salvation.

 

[Charlie24]

Where was I wrong now? You say we do nothing to be saved. Where does the Bible teach this?

I'm not saying we do nothing, I'm saying there are absolutely no works involved in the Lord's salvation.

In other words, hearing and believing the Gospel when presented is not works according to the Apostle Paul.

Of course you don't believe the salvation that Paul preaches, so why are we even having this conversation?

 

[Behold]

“…I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you…” (1 Corinthians 15:1-2)

To "Keep in Memory" is the same as "seed fell on good ground".

Notice that he PREACHED... . = that is SEED

"to keep in memory".

Where is memory?
Its in the past... not in the future.
Being SAVED happened in the past..............on that day you believed.
Do you you have that memory?
Thats the proof., and you are able to keep it in memory because its really there.
It really happened.
If you were not saved, there is no memory, there is no salvation.
It didn't happen., and that is the preaching of the word """"" fell on thorny ground.""""""

 

[Titus]

I'm not saying we do nothing, I'm saying there are absolutely no works involved in the Lord's salvation.

In other words, hearing and believing the Gospel when presented is not works according to the Apostle Paul.

Of course you don't believe the salvation that Paul preaches, so why are we even having this conversation?

No, I believe in what Paul, Jesus and all the apostles doctrine. That's what I follow, Acts 2:42.
John records that Jesus teaches faith is a work, John 6:28-29.
Do you believe when you obey Gods commandments that you have done a work?

 

[Charlie24]

No, I believe in what Paul, Jesus and all the apostles doctrine. That's what I follow, Acts 2:42.
John records that Jesus teaches faith is a work, John 6:28-29.
Do you believe when you obey Gods commandments that you have done a work?

John is referring to the works the Holy Spirit performs through us. That is all that God will accept from fallen man.

The born-again Christian doesn't just go out there in the world and do what he thinks are good works.

The works are His, planned specifically for you, all you do is walk through the door He has opened for you. This is our daily lifestyle.

What Paul is discussing, works/faith, is concerning salvation. No works, period, just faith in Christ.

You see, Titus, both our justification and our sanctification are based on faith in Christ.