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cc: @Titus --- This is a pretty good example.
BTW the word Trinity isn't in the Bible either. Do you want to attack that one too?
No, Read Colossians 2:9.
Is the congregation at your church seated for meetings? Find that in the NT. See 1 Corinthians 14:29-30
This question is redirecting the conversation off topic. I'm not claiming baptism is not for the remission of sins, Acts 2:38.
I'm not claiming baptism does not save us, 1Peter 3:20-21.
I'm not claiming baptism is for already saved Christians.
And this is the discussion.
I've heard you and others claim this but I get no scriptures from you as evidence?
Instead you are now questioning me on other topics.
Holy Spirit came on ALL who heard the message from Peter.
Might this indicate salvation as a result of belief
No, Peter was not finished preaching the gospel to them,
Acts 8:44,
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While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word.
Peter tells us it was by his preaching the word of God that saved Cornelius and his household.
Nowhere will you find Peter teaching the tongue speaking that the Holy Spirit gave Cornelius saved him.
Acts 11:14,
- Who will tell you words by which you and all your household will be saved.
It is the word i.e. the gospel that saved Cornelius according to Peter.
Peter had not yet spoke all of the word to Cornelius when he began to speak in tongues.
Later Peter finishes his preaching of the gospel of Christ and we see it is exactly the gospel Jesus taught in His great commission.
Romans 1:16,
- For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ for
it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes for the jew first and also for the greek.
What was that gospel Peter preached to Cornelius that saved him?
Acts 10:47-48,
- Can anyone forbid water that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?
And
he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord...
Could Cornelius be saved if he dis-obeyed Gods commandment to be baptized in the name of the Lord?
Mark 16:15-16,
- Go into all the world and preach
the gospel to every creature he that believeth and is baptized will be saved; he that believeth not will be condemned.
Peter preached the gospel of Jesus Christ to Cornelius.
I've never heard of speaking in tongues being the agent that saves them.
If a gift of the Holy Spirit is evidence one is saved.
Then is Judas Iscariot saved?
He also had been given the power of the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 10:1-5,
- And when He had called
His twelve disciples to Him, He gave
them power over unclean spirits to cast them out, and heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of diseases
Now the name of the twelve apostles were first, Simon who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee and John his brother; Philip and Bartholomew, Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus who surname is Thaddaeus; Simon the Cananite
and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed Jesus.
Judas had more gifts of the Holy Spirit than did Cornelius.
Cornelius had been given tongue speaking.
The purpose of Cornelius performing miracles was to confirm to the Jews that the gentiles had also been chosen to be saved in the kingdom of God.
Acts 11:17-18,
- If therefore God gave them the same gift as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ who was I that I could withstand God?
- When the Jews heard these things they became silent and they glorified God saying ,
Then God has also granted to the gentiles repentance to life.
I never heard anywhere in this conversion story of Cornelius, Peter teaching that Cornelius' baptism was a outward sign that he was already saved.