and for the final review
@Episkopos
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15 mins in and until the end............I now 'see' the core message and gross corruption of scripture and flaw in your salvation theory
You say we must have the faith that we believe we can attain the same level of spiritual walk as Christ did on earth then God comes in and takes us up to Zion (into the Kingdom) - into the higher walk. So we can then deduce from your advise or theory of being saved in the Kingdom that this means only NO ONE can be in Zion or the Kingdom in the end because in the flesh we can NEVER walk as Christ did on earth, when he was in his flesh. He had the entire fullness of the Father within him and was led by him continuously since his msision start at his baptism and we do not have this same quality and quantity of the Spirit of God today in the flesh.
So you also say the full measure of grace is then given when we WE believe WE CAN WALK AS/exactly as Christ, IN FAITH....THIS IS TOTALLY UNSCRIPTURAL and impossible
And you use and misapply Hebrews 4:6 as your support for the entire theory. It really applies for true unbelievers who never sustained any truth faith even after a taste of the spirit for God, and for God and his Son (of God).
This verse concerning 'rest' means those who hold firm their faith in God throughout their lives as Paul's race, we will find and be in 'rest' in the end, at the end of this SPIRITUAL RIGHTEOUS and SANCTIFYING life. It has nothing to do with believing we can have this impossible faith that we can walk exactly like Christ as you promote. We can however believe with a firm faith that we can be Christlike of course and receive the 'rest' due to us as God allows.
John Owen a Puritan leader described five features of this rest for the believer:
· Rest means peace with God.
· Rest means freedom from a servile, bondage-like spirit in the worship and service of God.
· Rest means deliverance from the burden of Mosaic observance.
· Rest means the freedom of worship according to the gospel.
· Rest means the rest that God Himself enjoys.
Because you add in Hebrew 4:11 as another support for your theory you suggest we labor for the rest. And it's struggling work we must do, you suggest. I really think you might be careful here on what kind of work this really is, your self-pleasing-outer-man work, or your inner man reliance in faith on the Spirit of God (as the spiritual work) in Christ as you deny the world and your flesh in the end. Granted in the flesh we work for God although it is Spirit directed and Spirit led that counted as true faith for the cause of 'the rest.'
And you misapply Romans 11:20-22 as it applied to a class of believers as in a tribe or even nation not as an individual person. It was a warning to all believers as a group in the world. Again the unbelief you entertain here is for an impossible faith one can never have in the flesh.
Again the use of the term 'fear' here is a type of high regard and reverence for God, not a fear of being zapped by a bolt of lightening from God for disobedience or a slip. My God is not one I have to fear like one in prison ready to meet his make by being executed.
Gal 3:3 is your other support for the same impossible faith where you think that there are many believers like those of Gal 3:3, using human reasoning and self-effort to supplement their spiritual walk...actually I'm getting confused with your line of reasoning and support for your theory here.
Paul's point is that if the Spirit came when they believed, why would they think they needed to start following the law to be acceptable to God?
Paul queries and asks them that if they began in the power of God's Spirit, do they think they will be perfected by their own human efforts, of the flesh to live according to the law? God forbid!
So you are insinuating that believers are like these in Gal 3:3..another pessimistic view of believers I guess. A common thread in your plot to make your theory viable and plausible and to stand front and center.
And saying we go to Christ with what the Spirit of God has given us (GRACE) to get the full measure grace is grossly misplaced and an illogical uncompleted thought.
We work with the Spirit of God, (who is not a crumb of, or the initial sampling of grace as you suggest) and not Christ for anything, although we do through Christ, we pray in his spirit within us as we grow as him. And then the grace we received at rebirth is the entire grace as used and defined in scripture, for our only kind of walk God desires. We DO NOT GO anywhere anyone in the spiritual world as if we count as something or count in the realm of God and his Kingdom. I would say this is borderline blasphemy to ask for your so-called fullness of grace, so you can go higher in a walk that you think you can achieve and need to have an impossible faith in the belief you can actually walk as Christ did on earth. He gave you all the grace for salvation you need in the flesh if you are truly reborn.
And you say with this impossible faith we can then abide in him. This is totally false. We live and walk in the Spirit and we become more like him not exactly as he is....to abide in him. That is why we need to cling to him.
And the remainder of your scriptural support in your video is superfluous and does not add anything more as unique only for your theory. However it does apply to my current walk in Christ and not for your higher impossible one that is not humanly possible as your theory dictates.
You preach an abstract and ridiculous new religious form of salvation theory that is not scriptural where by your theory, if you really truly were unbiased, would find that no one can actually abide in Christ or even live in the Kingdom.
The biggest flaw in your entire theory amongst others is that you really believe you can be Christ in spirit, whilst in the flesh because you can attain his same spiritual walk!! You see if you have his same identical spirit and lose your own with no human spirit, then it is possible, and that isn't happening here on earth in the flesh.
Do you see what you have created here? A true preacher you are not Epi...