What does it mean to be born again?

[VCO]

We are "born again" in this life.

Learning curve got me again. Lost this post TWICE. Yes, it is the same old VCO. Want proof:


I am on a thread called:

Ophel - THe Location of King Solomon's Temple​

I am trying to revive it. So far no takers, unless I have to look in a different place. Yes, I am still doing the other site, the same only Thread. That thread has been going for 4.5 YEARS. Yes, I still get one or two a year, that insist that the JEWS are right, it is up on the highest Hill. I will share my testimony about being Born Again with this guy. Talk to you later.

 

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Romans 7:5 KJV
[5] For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

The Law provokes sin in our flesh.

Romans 8:7 KJV
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

The fleshy mind wars with God, and cannot be subject to God's law. In fact, telling the flesh God's Law gives it a target for its rebellion.

Much love!

 

[Waiting on him]

Those laws he called a schoolmaster to lead us to christ. As they showed you fell short of his standard.

its not about observing them, its about the fact we could not observe them as God required.. perfectly.

As I said earlier, the mosaic law didn’t bring me to Christ. I’d never even heard of them prior to knowing him. I’m not a Jew, was never commanded to be circumcised, ate a lot of bbq etc…

 

[Eternally Grateful]

As I said earlier, the mosaic law didn’t bring me to Christ. I’d never even heard of them prior to knowing him. I’m not a Jew, was never commanded to be circumcised, ate a lot of bbq etc…

What made you thin k you were a sinner?

 

[marks]

I don’t believe so, no one was ever reconciled to God through that law.

That's right, and in fact Paul said that the Law showed him what sin was, producing that much more in him.

Much love!

 

[Johann]

Yes, his "own" righteousness was seen by him as so deficient it was nothing more than manure compared to the righteousness of God by faith.

Amen brother, hence--
Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it—
Rom 3:22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:
Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 3:24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
Rom 3:25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.
Rom 3:26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Rom 3:27 Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith.
Rom 3:28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.
Rom 3:29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,
Rom 3:30 since God is one—who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.
Rom 3:31 Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.

No more room for boasting/pride and "our filthy righteousness"


Rom 6:11 So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions.
Rom 6:13 Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness.
Rom 6:14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

J.

 

[Waiting on him]

The Law provokes sin in our flesh.

Romans 8:7 KJV
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

The fleshy mind wars with God, and cannot be subject to God's law. In fact, telling the flesh God's Law gives it a target for its rebellion.

Much love!

You seem to have good reading comprehension skills. What are Paul’s examples here of the flesh?

Philippians 3:3-5 KJV
[3] For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. [4] Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: [5] Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

Isn’t he saying his flesh is the performance of these things?

 

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Having personally experienced up to Romans 8, I can say that the layout of Paul shows us that we shouldn't be stopping and justifying ourselves based on Romans 6. What do you say?

We don't justify ourselves.

In the one sense, we cannot make ourselves righteous. In the other sense, we shouldn't make excuses for remaining immature.

Having personally experienced certain things myself, I've learned to be careful to interpret and understand those experiences according to the Word of God.

So I put great importance of knowing the Biblical teachings, to keep me from the errors and misunderstandings inherent in my own opinions of my own perceptions.

I've found the teachings in Romans 3-7 show how it is that we can live a Romans 8 life.

Much love!

 

[Waiting on him]

Yes. Because the inside of your cup can be filthy while the outside looks clean to yourself and others.
So as to an outward keeping of the law, yes he was blameless.
But the law is not the letter for the outside. That leads to death. The law is the spirit for the inside.

It wasn’t necessary to delete the other post. I wasn’t offended, I hear it all the time consider,, The most high God doesn’t write on stone tablets, that’s what Egyptians did at the time the tablets were written. Scripture says New testimony, if it is on the fleshly tables of the heart, then it is of God?

 

[marks]

You seem to have good reading comprehension skills. What are Paul’s examples here of the flesh?

Philippians 3:3-5 KJV
[3] For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. [4] Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: [5] Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

Isn’t he saying his flesh is the performance of these things?

Flesh isn't always regarding sinful things.

Acts 2:30 KJV
Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

Just meaning, as relates to this body-life in the terrestrial realm. Adam's flesh was uncorrupted until he sinned.

According the the spirit, he is a child of God. According to the flesh, he is a child of Benjamin.

Much love!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

The Law provokes sin in our flesh.

The law makes the flesh sin is how I read this you’ve said. So…the law is the reason for men sinning. I think that needs some tweaking…

 

[Waiting on him]

Flesh isn't always regarding sinful things.

Acts 2:30 KJV
Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

Just meaning, as relates to this body-life in the terrestrial realm. Adam's flesh was uncorrupted until he sinned.

According the the spirit, he is a child of God. According to the flesh, he is a child of Benjamin.

Much love!

Agreed, but in the context Paul was giving the flesh was observance of that old law.
God doesn’t write on stone, Egyptians did.

John 1:17-18 KJV
[17] For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. [18] No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.


There something to be seen here!

 

[Johann]

It wasn’t necessary to delete the other post. I wasn’t offended, I hear it all the time consider,, The most high God doesn’t write on stone tablets, that’s what Egyptians did at the time the tablets were written. Scripture says New testimony, if it is on the fleshly tables of the heart, then it is of God?

Eze 11:17 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.
Eze 11:18 And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence.
Eze 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
Eze 11:20 That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
Eze 11:21 But as for them whose heart walketh after the heart of their detestable things and their abominations, I will recompense their way upon their own heads, saith the Lord GOD.

This is from YHVH--Thus sayeth YHVH

 

[Waiting on him]

The law makes the flesh sin is how I read this you’ve said. So…the law is the reason for men sinning. I think that needs some tweaking…

You’ve heard it said breech for breech?

Disregard that I command you to love your enemies?

God is immutable, which God gave Which command?

 

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There something to be seen here!

I very much agree! Though still to say, it Does say that God wrote the commandments Himself on stone tablets.

1 Timothy 1:7-11 KJV
7) Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
8) But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9) Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10) For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11) According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

So knowing this, above, what should we say about ourselves if we are thinking we are under the Law?

Much love!

 

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The law makes the flesh sin is how I read this you’ve said. So…the law is the reason for men sinning. I think that needs some tweaking…

Where I wrote, provokes, you put "makes", which is different. I think what's needed is some "untweaking".

Romans 7:5 KJV
For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

Much love!

 

[Waiting on him]

Eze 11:17 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.
Eze 11:18 And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence.
Eze 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
Eze 11:20 That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
Eze 11:21 But as for them whose heart walketh after the heart of their detestable things and their abominations, I will recompense their way upon their own heads, saith the Lord GOD.

This is from YHVH--Thus sayeth YHVH

What does this scripture say to you?

John 1:17-18 KJV
[17] For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. [18] No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

 

[Waiting on him]

I very much agree! Though still to say, it Does say that God wrote the commandments Himself on stone tablets.

1 Timothy 1:7-11 KJV
7) Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
8) But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9) Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10) For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11) According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

So knowing this, above, what should we say about ourselves if we are thinking we are under the Law?

Much love!

I believed, Jesus the image of the invisible God gave the true commands/law. Love God Love your neighbor. If this is practiced then all these offensive things above are destroyed.

The law cited here as you say yourself the word can have various meanings. I don’t believe God ever wrote anything on stones.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Philippians 3:3-5 KJV
[3] For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. [4] Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: [5] Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

Isn’t he saying his flesh is the performance of these things?

He’s saying, those who worship God in the new way of the spirit annd take no confidence in the flesh are the true circumcision, which is the cutting of the heart by God to make it tender towards him. So he isn’t saying his body Having circumcision is the performance of anything…
And then, to me, he appears to be saying, look here, if anyone could take confidence in God being pleased by obedience to the letter with the flesh, it would be me because I AM circumcised in my flesh!

The biggest message I take from this passage is, take no confidence that outward obedience of flesh to the law is to be pleasing to God.

 

[marks]

Those laws he called a schoolmaster to lead us to christ. As they showed you fell short of his standard.

its not about observing them, its about the fact we could not observe them as God required.. perfectly.

There are at least four distinct purposes I see in the Law given at Sinai. Not nec. in this order, To give a means of coming to God, To show the nation separated from the others, To provide a mechanism to keep Israel from being destroyed in judgment until Christ came, and To demonstrate their need for mercy and grace.

Much love!