What is the one true Church?

[BreadOfLife]

I think our paths are crossing here...
You said:
I should have said: I'm sorry I don't know who "them" are that are being refered to, as I haven't been following the conversation that closely.
Who is "them" ?
Thank You

YOU.
Can YOU forgive a sin against YOU or not?

If you say , "Yes" - then you agree with Scripture and with God.
If you say, "No" - then you are as wrong as @Taken is.

 

[Taken]

Hey, Taken. The Apostles taught Hebrews 13:17. How do you fulfill that teaching? What man rules over you?

Genuine question.

Looking forward to your dodge or non-answer.....

Added snarky foolishness....just made your genuine question unworthy to bother with your foolishness.

 

[Marymog]

LOL RUN from Christ Jesus and His taught and chosen Apostles...
Pfff...are you NUTZ?

You asked a dumb question....what about the baby’s....duh, they grow up.
You may have MEANT, but did not SAY, what about the baby’s that DIE...

Nothing different from a baby, mentally incompetent, or an adult with full mental capacity.....
DUH....God searches an individual’s truth in their HEART!
Not their Carnal MIND!

RUN from the false teachings your men have taught you

HOW can baby's have the truth in their heart Taken when they have never heard the truth?

Think about it....Try again!

 

[rockytopva]

What happened to the Templars at the hands of “the one true church?” On Friday, October 13, 1307, the French rounded up thousands of Knights Templars and tortured them as heretics. Some believe the date of this massacre sparked our modern-day association of Friday the 13th with bad luck.

Knights Templar - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Marymog]

Genuine question.



Added snarky foolishness....just made your genuine question unworthy to bother with your foolishness.

Lol....as I predicted. You dodged the question and didn't answer it. Good job..........

 

[Taken]

I HAVE provided Scripture verses. The fact that YOU ignore them doesn’t make them “go away”.. It just makes YOU a liar . . .

Being called a liar by you, is the height of your daily comedy routine. LOL

As for those in Heaven interceding on our behalf – Rev. 8:5 shows this explicitly, as they are taking our prayers to God.
YOUR idiotic explanation that they are prayers of “unsaved” believers” is not only STUPID – it’s completely unsupported by the text.

“Unsaved” people are NOT “Believers”, Einstein.
That’s why they’re UNsaved.

Obviously you sorely lack comprehension.
Many “unsaved” are BELIEVERS.
Unlike you who STATED you were given the HS without Belief!
Normal people, are Unsaved Learners, Unsaved Believers, CONVERTED and Become MADE Saved! DUH!

Finally – I can overwhelm you with verses of people praying to people – nut I’ll just five you the verses showing Jesus praying to people . . .

(Matt. 5:46, Matt. 5:47, Matt. 6:27, Matt. 6:28, Matt. 7:3, Matt. 7:16, Matt. 8:26, Matt. 9:4, Matt. 9:5, Matt. 9:15, Matt. 9:28, Matt. 11:7, Matt. 11:16, Matt. 12:11, Matt. 12:29, Matt. 12:34, Matt. 12:48, Matt. 14:31, Matt. 15:3, Matt. 15:34, Matt. 16:9, Matt. 16:13, Matt. 16:15, Matt. 16:26, Matt. 17:17, Matt. 17:25, Matt. 18:12, Matt. 19:17, Matt. 20:21, Matt. 20:22, Matt. 20:32, Matt. 21:25, Matt. 21:28, Matt. 21:42, Matt. 22:18, Matt. 22:42, Matt. 23:17-19, Matt. 23:33, Matt. 26:10, Matt. 26:40, Matt. 26:53, Matt. 26:54, Matt. 26:55, Matt. 27:46, Mark 2:8, Mark 4:21, Mark 4:30, Mark 4:40, Mark 5:9, Mark 5:30, Mark 5:39, Mark 7:18, Mark 7:18, Mark 8:12, Mark 8:17-18, Mark 8:19, Mark 8:20, Mark 8:21, Mark 8:23, Mark 9:12, Mark 9:33, Mark 9:50, Mark 10:3, Mark 10:18, Mark 10:51, Mark 12:15, Mark 13:2, Mark 14:37, Mark 14:37, Luke 2:49, Luke 2:49, Luke 5:22, Luke 5:23, Luke 6:46, Luke 8:25, Luke 8:30, Luke 8:45, Luke 10:15, Luke 10:26, Luke 10:36, Luke 11:40, Luke 12:14-15, Luke 12:25, Luke 12:57, Luke 14:31, Luke 14:34, Luke 15:4, Luke 15:8, Luke 16:11, Luke 17:17, Luke 18:7, Luke 18:8, Luke 22:27, Luke 22:46, Luke 23:31, Luke 24:17, Luke 24:19, Luke 24:26, Luke 24:38, Luke 24:41, John 1:38, John 2:4, John 3:10, John 3:12, John 4:7, John 5:6, John 5:44, John 5:47, John 6:5, John 6:61, John 6:62, John 6:67, John 6:70, John 7:19, John7:19, John 7:23, John 8:10, John 8:43, John 8:46, John 8:46, John 10:36, John 11:9, John 11:26, John 11:33, John 13:12, John 14:9, John 18:4,7, John 18:11, John 18:34, John 18:21, John 18:23, John 20:15, John 21:5, John 21:17, John 21:22)

Your first entry... Matt 5:46
Matt 5:
[46] For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

NOT A MENTION of praying TO another...

Nothing new with you, Making claims Scripture says this or that, AND IT DOESN’T!

 

[Taken]

Lol....as I predicted. You dodged the question and didn't answer it. Good job..........

Correct. I have no obligation to play a fools folly.

 

[Ziggy]

YOU.
Can YOU forgive a sin against YOU or not?

If you say , "Yes" - then you agree with Scripture and with God.
If you say, "No" - then you are as wrong as @Taken is.

Is this a trick question?

I can forgive another person for sinning against me or not. I can loose them from it or bind them to it.
They should also seek God's forgiveness for sinning against another.
And if I sin against another, I can ask that person to forgive me, which they can loose me from the sin or bind me to it.
But I should also seek God and ask him for His forgiveness of my sin against another.

Where 2 or more are gathered, there am I in the midst.

We shouldn't leave Jesus out of the equation when forgiving or being forgiven.
Amen?

Hugs

 

[lforrest]

It seems the issue is with a Hospital that fired a Priest for answering a patients question concerning marriage.

A Roman Catholic priest in the United Kingdom is pursuing legal action against a public hospital trust after he was allegedly ousted from a National Health Service (NHS) facility for responding to a patient's question about the Church's stance on sexuality and marriage.
Rev. Patrick Pullicino, 73, who was a temporary member of staff at South West London and St. George’s Mental Health NHS Trust, was told that the Trust’s policy on equality and diversity "takes precedence over religious belief" after the patient complained, according to his legal counsel at the London-based Christian Legal Centre.
Pullicino told Fox News Digital that the incident, which took place in August 2019, happened when a Catholic patient at the NHS hospital requested to take a walk with him, during which he told the priest about his same-sex partner and asked what he thought about it.

Pullicino was later informed that a formal complaint had been lodged against him for his comments. Vanessa Ford, the acting chief executive of South West London and St. George’s Mental Health NHS Trust, reportedly said in a written response to the complaint that the Trust’s policy on equality and diversity "takes precedence over religious belief."

The priest ultimately had his contract with the hospital terminated while he was on annual leave in January 2020, his lawyers say.

MSN

equality and diversity "takes precedence over religious belief."

This is where we are now.
It'd everywhere.
They are trying to kill God.

My question then is: Do we fight God's battles or does he fight ours?
I totally understand the wanting an Eye for an Eye in this scenerio.
I'm just not sure it's the right approach.

If this St. George's Mental Health NHS Trust is connected or funded by the Catholic Church,
I suppose I would think the Church would withhold it's funding until religious belief takes precedence over equality and diversity.

They are basically shutting out the church so why shouldn't the church shut them out as well?
Let them be given over to Satan as Paul says.. the secular world, to learn it's lesson.

When they realize the world won't support their ministry perhaps they will return to the Lord's.

It's getting ugly. But as Jim says, it's been like this since the beginning of time.
God will sort it out.

Hugs

The UK has universal healthcare, and the NHS is the name for that service, funded by taxpayers.

NHS Foundation Trusts are issued provider licenses. These require NHS trusts to comply with conditions set by the NHS.

If the hospital doesn't want to lose government funding they must comply with these rules.

 

[Taken]

James isn’t teaching Judaism or the LAW.
He is teaching the forgiveness of CHRIST. In other words, Einstein – the GOSPEL message.

This is the NEW Testament – NOT the Old.
James is telling his readers to confess their SINS to one another (James 5:126).

You LOSE this argument as well . . .

I lose nothing.
I am SMART enough to know...Jews having a history of 4,000 years of Mosaic Law were in a Transition Period of learning newly revealed information that had been kept Secret from them.

You want to pretend you are JEW and GENTILE....and subject to the same laws, who cares....I don’t.

Guess you missed the tid bit...the Jews wanted to KILL JESUS for forgiving men of SIN .....AGAINST GOD.

They saying WHO can forgive SIN, but God alone.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What happened to the Templars at the hands of “the one true church?” On Friday, October 13, 1307, the French rounded up thousands of Knights Templars and tortured them as heretics. Some believe the date of this massacre sparked our modern-day association of Friday the 13th with bad luck.

Knights Templar - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

they want us to look at history.. yet somehow they can look at their history with a straight face..

 

[BreadOfLife]

Is this a trick question?

I can forgive another person for sinning against me or not. I can loose them from it or bind them to it.
They should also seek God's forgiveness for sinning against another.
And if I sin against another, I can ask that person to forgive me, which they can loose me from the sin or bind me to it.
But I should also seek God and ask him for His forgiveness of my sin against another.

Where 2 or more are gathered, there am I in the midst.

We shouldn't leave Jesus out of the equation when forgiving or being forgiven.
Amen?

Hugs

Except for the text in RED - you answered correctly.

You don't have the power to bind or hold somebody's sin against them.
If you don't forgive them, YOU will not be forgiven - period.

 

[Taken]

THYANK YOU.
You just made my argument against @Taken, who insists that people CANNOT forgive sins against them.

The last 7 Commandments are about SINS against your fellow man.

@Ziggy

Yes, I say SIN is Against God and only the Lord God forgives Sin Against God.

Yes, I say Men Trespass Against men and Yes Men Can forgive men of Trespasses.

Yes, the Lord taught men HOW TO PRAY...Matt 6: 9

Yes, BOL teaches and does PRAY “TO” Saints “IN” Heaven whose BODY’s ARE DEAD and buried.

Scripture teaches to PRAY TO the Heavenly Father. Matt 6:9

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[BreadOfLife]

Being called a liar by you, is the height of your daily comedy routine. LOL

Obviously you sorely lack comprehension.
Many “unsaved” are BELIEVERS.
Unlike you who STATED you were given the HS without Belief!
Normal people, are Unsaved Learners, Unsaved Believers, CONVERTED and Become MADE Saved! DUH!

Your first entry... Matt 5:46
Matt 5:
[46] For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

NOT A MENTION of praying TO another...

Nothing new with you, Making claims Scripture says this or that, AND IT DOESN’T!

Pay attention, Einstein:

Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary:
Full Definition of “PRAY”
transitive verb
1: ASK, entreat, implore —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or plea<pray be careful>

2: to get or bring by praying
intransitive verb
1: to make a request in a humble manner
2: to address God or a god with adoration, confession, supplication, or thanksgiving

“Pray” simply means to “ASK” or “entreat”. “Worship” or “adoration” is a secondary definition.
I gave you 135 examples of Jesus ASKING questions – in other words, PRAYING.
Just because YOU are ignorant of the English language doesn’t make it “untrue” . . .

PS - you STILL haven't shown me where Rev. 5:8 is talking about the prayers of "unsaved believers".
This wouldn't prove your point anywway because it STILL shows heavenlky intercession for those on earth . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

@Ziggy
Yes, I say SIN is Against God and only the Lord God forgives Sin Against God.
Yes, I say Men Trespass Against men and Yes Men Can forgive men of Trespasses.

Yes, the Lord taught men HOW TO PRAY...Matt 6: 9

Yes, BOL teaches and does PRAY “TO” Saints “IN” Heaven whose BODY’s ARE DEAD and buried.

Scripture teaches to PRAY TO the Heavenly Father. Matt 6:9

Glory to God,
Taken

And the BIBLE clearly calls those "trespasses", "SIN" (harmartia) (Matt. 6:14-15).
You LOSE this argument . . .

 

[Ziggy]

The UK has universal healthcare, and the NHS is the name for that service, funded by taxpayers.

NHS Foundation Trusts are issued provider licenses. These require NHS trusts to comply with conditions set by the NHS.

If the hospital doesn't want to lose government funding they must comply with these rules.

Too bad for them, they probably lost a good Priest.
Hugs

 

[BreadOfLife]

I lose nothing.
I am SMART enough to know...Jews having a history of 4,000 years of Mosaic Law were in a Transition Period of learning newly revealed information that had been kept Secret from them.

You want to pretend you are JEW and GENTILE....and subject to the same laws, who cares....I don’t.

Guess you missed the tid bit...the Jews wanted to KILL JESUS for forgiving men of SIN .....AGAINST GOD.

They saying WHO can forgive SIN, but God alone.

First of all, Einstein - James isn't preaching Judaism.
He is preaching the Gospel of CHRIST.

And when Jesus commands you to forgive your neighboor (Matt. 6:14-15) - then you FORGIVE your neighbor.

 

[Ziggy]

Except for the text in RED - you answered correctly.

You don't have the power to bind or hold somebody's sin against them.
If you don't forgive them, YOU will not be forgiven - period.

See there's the clincher.
You should forgive them because you love them, not because you yourself will or won't be forgiven.
I certainly have the power to hold a grudge. But I also am aware that if I hold that grudge I end up hurting myself in the long run.
Period.

Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

@Ziggy

Yes, I say SIN is Against God and only the Lord God forgives Sin Against God.

Yes, I say Men Trespass Against men and Yes Men Can forgive men of Trespasses.

Yes, the Lord taught men HOW TO PRAY...Matt 6: 9

Yes, BOL teaches and does PRAY “TO” Saints “IN” Heaven whose BODY’s ARE DEAD and buried.

Scripture teaches to PRAY TO the Heavenly Father. Matt 6:9

Glory to God,
Taken

Trespass:

maʻal, mah'-al; from H4603; treachery, i.e. sin:—falsehood, grievously, sore, transgression, trespass

Sin:

châṭâʼ, khaw-taw'; a primitive root; properly, to miss; hence (figuratively and generally) to sin; by inference, to forfeit, lack, expiate, repent, (causatively) lead astray, condemn:—bear the blame, cleanse, commit (sin), by fault, harm he hath done, loss, miss, (make) offend(-er), offer for sin, purge, purify (self), make reconciliation, (cause, make) sin(-ful, -ness), trespass.

Mat 18:21
Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Mat 18:22
Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

I agree if one sins against God, that's between him and God.
And if man sins against man that's between the men and God.
Forgive us our trespasses/sins as we forgive those who trespass/sin against us.

I personally have never prayed to a Saint. I have direct access to Jesus Himself.
Just sayin..
Hugs

 

[BreadOfLife]

they want us to look at history.. yet somehow they can look at their history with a straight face..

On the contrary - Pope John Paul II publicly apologized for the errors and atrocities perpetrated by some of his predecessors. However - this doesn't make the Church itself responsible.

Should all Protestants be held responsible for the sins of Jim Bakker or john Calvin or Jimmy Swaggarrt or any number of other unsavory characters?
These were human beings who did some evil things, as did some of the men in Catholic Church history. There were more great examoples of saintly behavior during this SAME time than there were villains.

Just like the sex and molestation scandals that have rocked the Catholic and Protestant worlds.
It is the Protestant denomination that is responsible - or the individuals involved??
Like ANY other sin - it is the individuals involved.