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Never said they were but it is you that does not know how they work.
Uhhhhh, no - it was YOU who falsely stated thgat the Church PAID to keep priests OUT of jail.
That's NOT the way the Criminal Court works, Einstein.

Will you EVER stop lying?
 
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No wonder he thinks so many church leaders are fine and good . That is why he constantly goes after me
for exposing the false ones . He thinks certain things are just fine when indeed they ought to be exposed for what they are .
You haven't named any church leaders specifically. You simply condemn virtually the entire body of Christ. Has your rage so blinded you that you can't even see that?
 

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Again! Oh my gosh!
The modern Catholic Church is a much better Church than it was.
John Paul II 1978 until his death in 2005

Now do you want me to read you some quotes from the Malleus Maleficarum....the Church's torture manual for women?
I think we have had enough of that.
You need to start a thread on the good that the Catholic Church has done in the past and now.
Amazon Prime has about 20 books on Mother Teresa.
The past is the past....it time to look to the future and make the changes that will allow it to be a good future.
What do you mean by "the past"? Where I live in New Mexico the diocese was recently forced to pay $121,500,000 for the sexual abuse of children. Survivors of priest abuse OK settlement from Archdiocese

Here is an excerpt from a 2022 report...

Child sex abuse survivors have overwhelmingly approved a $121.5 million plan in a crucial step toward resolving the long-running Archdiocese of Santa Fe bankruptcy reorganization, which was aimed at stemming the church’s financial losses while atoning for wrongs of the past.

Aside from providing monetary payments to nearly 400 abuse claimants, the terms of the settlement require the establishment of an “unprecedented” public archive of documents showing how “decades of widespread abuse occurred” in New Mexico and to prevent such abuse by clergy in the future.
 

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The first 5 ecumenical councils are accepted, for the most part, by Protestants, Orthodox, and Catholics. I've posted them several times. They are available on line for everyone to see. You don't accept them which places you way out in left field.

People who only see sin and evil in others, or in history for that matter, need to head for the nearest psychiatric facility. Anti-Catholicism is a mental and spiritual sickness.
People who deny the crimes and abuses of the past are destined to repeat them, or approve of others who commit them.
 

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Again! Oh my gosh!
The modern Catholic Church is a much better Church than it was.
John Paul II 1978 until his death in 2005

Now do you want me to read you some quotes from the Malleus Maleficarum....the Church's torture manual for women?
I think we have had enough of that.
You need to start a thread on the good that the Catholic Church has done in the past and now.
Amazon Prime has about 20 books on Mother Teresa.
The past is the past....it time to look to the future and make the changes that will allow it to be a good future.
Malleus Maleficarum was placed on the list of forbidden books, a notorious book book of the times that had nothing to do with Church teaching. You strain gnat and swallow a camel.

Innocent VIII: BULL Summis desiderantes, Dec. 5th, 1484​

Innocent, bishop, servant of the servants of God, Ad futuram rei memoriam

It has recently come to our ears, not without great pain to us, that in some parts of upper Germany,……many persons of both sexes, heedless of their own salvation and forsaking the catholic faith, give themselves over to devils male and female, and by their incantations, charms, and conjurings, and by other abominable superstitions and sortileges, offenses, crimes, and misdeeds, ruin and cause to perish the offspring of women, (read abortion)
The above words were written at a time when superstition and the concept of witchcraft and sorcery existed in Europe side by side as part of a cultural norm. The following two-hundred years would see those same concepts wrapped up together in an overblown and ugly way as unchecked fear ramped up and took hold of the culture and attitude around them.

Some attribute it to this Papal Bull and its appearance in a notorious book of the time, The Malleus Maleficarum written in 1487; a manual for the identification, prosecution, and punishment of those suspected of witchcraft, divination, and other (mostly imagined) offenses.

What many individuals forget is that the Summis Desiderantes was not written for the book nor intended as blanket permission for the Inquisition or church elders to torture and execute individuals that were suspected or rumored or biasedly accused without proper evidence of atrocities.

The history is this:

The bull was written in response to the request of Heinrich Kramer, an inquisitor in the Dominican order, for explicit authority to prosecute witchcraft in Germany. He had been refused assistance by local church and secular authorities, who stood by their decision that as the original letter of deputation for Kramer did not specifically mention where the inquisitors could operate, they could not legally exercise their duties as inquisitors in their [the local] areas. The bull had been requested to remedy this dispute by identifying individual jurisdictions, specifically the dioceses of Mainz, Köln, Trier, Salzburg, and Bremen.

Pope Innocent’s bull put into effect nothing new. Its direct purpose was to ratify the powers already conferred upon Heinrich Kramer (also called Henry Institoris in the Malleus) and James Sprenger, to deal with witchcraft as well as heresy, and it called upon the Bishop of Strasbourg to provide the inquisitors with whatever support was possible.

However, a short time later, Kramer published the book Malleus Maleficarum and used the wording of the Papal bull as a foreword. It gave the impression that the actions and thinking described in the book were condoned and supported by the Pope and the Church.

Neither was true as could be seen with the Inquisition denouncing Kramer in 1490 and the book being added to the Index Librorum Prohibitorum (List of Prohibited Books) in by Pope Paul IV in 1559.

Unfortunately, the damage was done. The book was reproduced and found in several corners of Europe and the “witch craze” was under way with the worst scenes to be found in Germany and France.

The Catholic Church had many official doctrines out that defined witch craft, sorcery, divination, etc as separate and unique practices. How to identify these individuals, counsel them, and punish only if they had broken secular or created heresy. The misrepresentation of the bull by Kramer created huge distrust and fear among folks who were formally neighbors and friends.

The damage was done and the ramifications were beyond what they could then perceive.

The complete wording of the the Papal Bull by Pope Innocent VIII can be found here.

Keep it up, Grailhunter, I'm having fun exposing your gross misrepresentations of history.

You are on a witch hunt of your own.
 
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I live on Planet Earth - duh!

Abortion is not murder. That is just a mindless "catch phrase" for people who it hurts to think.

If women have the right to contraceptives isn't that murder by your standards?

That's all the time I'm going to waste replying to your senseless babble.
Here let me educate you:

Feb 16, 2022 Various types of birth control work in different ways. Birth control methods may: Prevent sperm from reaching the egg. Inactivate or damage sperm. Prevent an egg from being released each month. Alter the lining of the uterus so that a fertilized egg doesn't attach to it. Thicken cervical mucus so that sperm can't easily pass through it.

It prevents pregnancy so you don't have to have an abortion.
The sperm alone can not reproduce, the egg alone can not reproduce. Nothing is being murdered only prevented.

So think on this, I hope it don't hurt too much.
Please feel free not to waste anymore of your senseless time.
 
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What is the one true Church?
OP ^

Christ Jesus’ Church IS the ONE True Church WHICH IS: WITHIN a man.

Christ Jesus’ Church, was NEVER “TITLED”....catholic, Protestant, Baptist, Islam, Buddhist, blah, blah, blah.

In Christ the Lord Jesus’ own words...He called HIS CHURCH...”MY Church”.

Everything IN Scripture IS TRUE Knowledge.

Everything IN Scripture Does NOT Apply to Every individual.

Who, What, When, Why, Where....Determines that which DOES and DOES NOT Apply to the individual.

CHERRY-PICKING....is EXACTLY Picking APART Scripture that DOES and DOES NOT Apply to the individual “himself”.

Jesus came TO: DIVIDE the PEOPLE....WITH and WITH-IN Him...FROM those NOT WITH and NOT WITH-IN Him.

A PERSON WITH the Lord Jesus....is NOT Converted....is always in DANGER of Falling Away. Multiple Scriptures WARN of this DANGER.

A PERSON IS; an ALIVE earthly man, WITH a LIVING soul IN him.

A PERSON WITH-IN Christ the Lord Jesus....IS Converted....and can NEVER Fall Away.

It is NOT one persons authority to Determine WHAT APPLIES to an other person.

WORKS unto God..........IS HEARTFELT BELIEF
Reasonable SERVICE unto God... IS CONVERSION.

He who KNOWS the person’s TRUTH IN HIS HEART...IS the Person “himself”;
And CHRIST THE LORD GOD HIMSELF.

SIN AGAINST Christ the Lord God Almighty....IS DISBELIEF in Him.
ONLY Christ the Lord God Almighty.....FORGIVES SIN.


A PERSON....NOT Converted.....CAN Continue to SIN Against the Lord God.
A PERSON....Converted..............CAN NOT SIN Against the Lord God.

Every PERSON....SHALL be REWARDED for their DEEDS, WORKS, SERVICE...
That WHICH....GLORIFIES God.

Every PERSON...WHOSE....DEEDS, WORKS, SERVICE....DOES NOT Glorify God......are deeds, works, service, that SHALL BE BURNED.

( Playing tit for tat between and among men, irrelevant. )
( Speaking FOR others, underhanded, deceptive. )
( All men are not ON the same path OR at the same distance.)
( Titles, quoting scholars, quoting Doctrines outside of Scripture, irrelevant. )
( Deflecting to boo-hooing, snarky retorts, Juvenile, irrelevant. )

People WILL DISAGREE....it’s called FREEWILL afforded to EVERY Person.
ALL men WILL NEVER, BY a mans ACTIONS, ALL Agree...Face it, Get over it.
Tolerance, IS a SECULAR Worldly Advocation....BE Cautious.


A worldly RELIGIOUS or POLITICAL difference WILL NEVER be RESOLVED BY;
a mans diplomacy, a mans treaties, a mans army, a mans confiscated wealth, a mans promises, a mans ear tickling words, a mans never ending crisis’,
a mans never ending fear mongering, a mans colluding efforts...

PEACE, SAFETY, COMFORT, RICHNESS of BLESSINGS, IS solely OFFERED and ASSURED “IN” CHRIST the Lord God Almighty.

Reach out and take the Lord Gods Offering, or move on about your worldly business.

Glory to God,
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Here let me educate you:

Feb 16, 2022 Various types of birth control work in different ways. Birth control methods may: Prevent sperm from reaching the egg. Inactivate or damage sperm. Prevent an egg from being released each month. Alter the lining of the uterus so that a fertilized egg doesn't attach to it. Thicken cervical mucus so that sperm can't easily pass through it.

It prevents pregnancy so you don't have to have an abortion.
The sperm alone can not reproduce, the egg alone can not reproduce. Nothing is being murdered only prevented.

So think on this, I hope it don't hurt too much.
Please feel free not to waste anymore of your senseless time.
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Cherry-picking, as YOU and others here engage in, is the act of plucking verses OUT if their proper context.

You can close your ears, get all bent out of shape of what does and does not apply to others, open your mouth and speak for others.....ALL irrelevant.

I choose what applies to me, without your consideration.


I don't do that. If I isolare a verse - I always provide the context.

I don’t agree with most of your beliefs, opinions, commentaries or snarky attitude.
 

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Problem....your “church”..any “church” constant renewing..constant changing.

I think @Grailhunter point was “church’s” are in need of:
“Reverting, Reviving, Reconciling”...
BECAUSE they have lost their way, with man-made “renewing, changing”.

God Does NOT Change.
Gods Word Does NOT Change.
Gods Power Does NOT Change.
Gods Doctrine Does NOT Change.

God (not councils of men)... RENEWS.
 

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You haven't named any church leaders specifically. You simply condemn virtually the entire body of Christ. Has your rage so blinded you that you can't even see that?
Take heed to the black man speaking . Since you wont hear it from me , Lord willing maybe you will at least hear it from him .
Ps , he sounds educated too . Lets see if you will hear his simple plea to the church leaders . Give this a watch .
 
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Sooooo - you actually believe that the Bible teaches AGSINsT the mortfication of the flesh??
That it teaches that the spirit and the soul should be sacrificed for the flesh - and NOT the other way around??

Can you substantiate that?
Chapter and Verse please . . .
Mortification
1. a sense of humiliation and shame caused by something that wounds one's pride or self-respect
the mortification of being jilted by a little boarding-school girl—Washington Irving

b : the cause of such humiliation or shame

2: the subjection and denial of bodily passions and appetites by abstinence or self-inflicted pain or discomfort

I call my ministry the Johnny Appleseed of Truth.
What that means I seek truth and present it. I do not care what the truth is. It is inline with Christ's concept of seeds...
19 `People listen to the message about the kingdom of heaven. If anyone does not understand it, the devil comes along and takes the message out of his heart. That person is like the seed which fell on the road. 20 Some seed fell on the stony ground. That is like a person who hears the message and right away he is glad to hear it. 21 But it does not go down deep in his heart. He believes it for a short time. When trouble or a hard time comes because of the message, he stops believing. 22 Some seed fell among the weeds. That is like the person who hears the message. But he thinks about the things of this world. He wants to get money to be happy. These things push the message out of his heart. No good comes from it. Matthew 13:19-22

I have spent my life seeking Truth and dispelling lies and false beliefs. Along the way people have introduced false doctrines, false beliefs etc. One of the ways they do that is to interject a word and its meaning that is not in the scriptures. Those are the easy red flags.

In this case mortification or any variant of it or the Greek word is not in the actual scriptures.....not even the King James Version. There are no negatives to normal sex in the normal process of male and female relationships that leads to marriage. Peter is an example. Marriage does not mean you cannot serve God well. And I think celibacy is a distraction from serving God. As far as I am concerned I believe it is as unnatural as homosexualality. In fact the Jews believed that a celibate man was homosexual....unless he was a castrated eunuch.
 

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Uhhhhh, no - it was YOU who falsely stated thgat the Church PAID to keep priests OUT of jail.
That's NOT the way the Criminal Court works, Einstein.

Will you EVER stop lying
I still stand by that statement....The Catholic Church pays big dollars to keep priests out of jail.
 

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Here let me educate you:

Feb 16, 2022 Various types of birth control work in different ways. Birth control methods may: Prevent sperm from reaching the egg. Inactivate or damage sperm. Prevent an egg from being released each month. Alter the lining of the uterus so that a fertilized egg doesn't attach to it. Thicken cervical mucus so that sperm can't easily pass through it.

It prevents pregnancy so you don't have to have an abortion.
The sperm alone can not reproduce, the egg alone can not reproduce. Nothing is being murdered only prevented.

So think on this, I hope it don't hurt too much.
Please feel free not to waste anymore of your senseless time.

Little girls do not grow up dreaming of hopping from bed to bed and contraception. They dream of a man who will sweep them off their feet and love them forever, and of having his many children. A cynicism born of the sexual revolution has brought emptiness to the hearts, wombs and lives of far too many modern women. This emptiness and pain can be avoided or redeemed and healed by the love of Christ and adherence to His teachings. The Catholic Church believes in such dreams because God wrote them on the human heart. And there are men who long for such a woman to love and cherish.

Real lovers want to give without reserve in God's own superabundance creating more hearts and lives to love. Contraception is like kissing through a screen door and real love cannot tolerate obstacles. Contraception breeds selfishness and separation that drives a wedge between husband and wife that kills love. Real lovers want their love to explode into the posterity of future generations for all eternity. This is the kind of passion and fulfillment God wants for His children. Contraception limits what should be boundless. It spits in the face of this glorious passion and love's true abandon; and that is why it is a sin. It seeks to "tame" love, thus killing it. The Catholic Church is the last bastion on earth of true romance. The modern world has suffocated love and made sex a thing of deadness.
 
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What do you mean by "the past"? Where I live in New Mexico the diocese was recently forced to pay $121,500,000 for the sexual abuse of children. Survivors of priest abuse OK settlement from Archdiocese
Yes...all true....but at least they are not stripping them and torturing them and impaling them through their genitals.....anymore!
The Catholic Church does not have a running process of witch-hunt and inquisitions....anymore.
It the organized ferocity of the abuses that stopped.

The Pope has apologized for all that and the Church is trying to fight it way out of all that....but still you have Catholics that want to deny all that and defend the causes of all that....ya horny priests that is the way to fix that.

But still the hate between the Catholics and Protestants.....it is hard to resolve that.
 

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Some attribute it to this Papal Bull and its appearance in a notorious book of the time, The Malleus Maleficarum written in 1487; a manual for the identification, prosecution, and punishment of those suspected of witchcraft, divination, and other (mostly imagined) offenses.
Written in 1487....just written?
In 1484 Pope Innocent VIII issued the Bull Summis Desideranter, authorizing two Dominican Inquisitors, Heinrich Kramer and Jakob Sprenger, to systemize the procedures for the interrogation of witches. Two years later in 1486, they produced a manual called the Malleus Maleficarum, which is Latin for The Hammer Of Witches. The Church financed and supervised the publishing of the manuals that were ordered and sent out to all Inquisitors. This manual was published with 14 editions between 1486 and 1520, and at least 16 other editions between 1574 and 1669. All editions were printed under the supervision and the authority of the Church and distributed by the Church to the Inquisitors. The manual instructed the clergy on how to torture women and document it for the Church. One of these books is in a museum has a cover of human skin. These type of tortures were something that could only come from an insane and demented mind. They were cutting these women up and force feeding them to there children.....do not make me get into the specifics of this. Crazy or demonic.....either way Satan was doing the jig!
 
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