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I don't believe in eternal hellfire. And here are the reasons:

1. It's not taught in Scripture in original languages.

2. God is not a revengeful monster who will torture the lost forever in terrible and horrendous pain that will never cease.

3. The Bible says the lost and Satan will turn to ashes and be destroyed! Heb 2:14, (Psalm 145:20); they will die (Ezekiel 18:4); they will perish (John 3:16); they will be cut off (Psalm 37:28); they will be consumed (Psalm 37:20); they will be burned up (Psalm 97:3); and they shall be no more (Psalm 37:10, Oba 1:16).

4. The Koine Greek word "aionios" is used in Revelation 20:10 and Matthew 25:46 and has been translated forever and ever! But in Koine Greek it doesn't mean endless at all! The term "for ever, eternal, everlasting" as used in the Bible, means simply a period of time, limited or unlimited. It is used 56 times in the Bible in connection with things that have already ended.

5. Immortality is the key. And only the saved will get it! Hence, the lost wont get it and will DIE and not LIVE in some fire. If people were to burn in fire forever, that would mean they are given immortality as well, but this contradicts 1Cor 15:53 and 1 John 5:12! And only the saved will have access to the tree of life in heaven! The lost wont and so hence, cannot live forever in some fire. Surely you are not claiming the lost will be given immortality and live forever without access to the tree of life?

6. Read about the city of Edom in Isa 34:6-11 It says Edom was to burn forever and never be quenched! But its NOT burning today and in fact in verse 11 it says it will be occupied again after this so called forever FIRE! The problem lies in English translations, and eternal and forever and ever, does not always mean endless in the Bible.

Is EDOM burning today? NO! English translation says forever, but the original language it doesn't say or mean forever as you can clearly see that the next verse says it will be occupied again. How is that possible if v10 was to be taken literally as eternal fire etc... Think about it!

In Isa 34:10 it says the smoke from the fire on Edom will rise forever and never be quenched! Is this smoke rising today? NO it is not as Edom is in ashes today!

7. Eternal hellfire stems from Devils first lie[Gen 3:4], then came pagan philosophy, Jewish apostasies, Catholicism then protestantism, and it's not biblical at all!

In the Hebrew and Greek, Sheol[Hebrew] and Hades,Tartaroo and Gehenna[Greek] is a place of death, darkness & silence. In other words, the grave! But the English word "Hell" means an eternal burning place of agony! But in the original Hebrew/Greek, there is no such word as "hell".

Scholars are beginning to wake up to themselves, and realising that hell is not in Bible.The original "Authorized Version" of the King James Bible contained the word "Hell" 54 times from Genesis to Revelation. The New King James Bible contained the word "Hell" only 32 times and the American Standard and New American Standard (both revisions of the KJV) only 13 times. And the NIV OT doesn't contain the word hell even once!

And there are literally scores of Bible translations which do NOT contain the word "Hell" even ONCE! That's because they were written by Scholars who LOVE the truth and have EMBRACED the truth!

Jesus' Teaching on Hell by Samuel Dawson...most of what we believe about hell comes from Catholicism and ignorance of the Old Testament, not from the Bible. This study will cause you to re-examine current teaching on hell and urge you to further study on what happens to the wicked after death.

The word "Hell" is disappearing from the pages of English Bible translations and HAS already completely disappeared from many of them.

God bless.
 

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"4. The Koine Greek word "aionios" is used in Revelation 20:10 and Matthew 25:46 and has been translated forever and ever! But in Koine Greek it doesn't mean endless at all! The term "for ever, eternal, everlasting" as used in the Bible, means simply a period of time, limited or unlimited. It is used 56 times in the Bible in connection with things that have already ended."

So our 'eternal life' as Christians will only be temporary?
 
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"4. The Koine Greek word "aionios" is used in Revelation 20:10 and Matthew 25:46 and has been translated forever and ever! But in Koine Greek it doesn't mean endless at all! The term "for ever, eternal, everlasting" as used in the Bible, means simply a period of time, limited or unlimited. It is used 56 times in the Bible in connection with things that have already ended."

So our 'eternal life' as Christians will only be temporary?

Not at all and I will explain why!

The Greek word for everlasting or eternal is the adjective "aionios" derived from the noun "aion" which means an "age" or "era". The word itself leaves the time limit of the age undefined. It comes down to context.

The reason the redeemed will be given eternal life is that they are given the gift of immortality, but the lost do not, hence, the lost will die and not see life, John 3:36 and cannot live forever. The other reason the redeemed will live forever is that they will be given access to the Tree of Life in Paradise, which is needed to live forever, the lost do not, hence, the lost will perish and be no more and DIE!

The word "aionios" derived from the noun "aion", has been used in many places in the Bible to things and events that have already ENDED!

God bless.
 

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(Rev 21:8) But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

(Rev 20:13) And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

(Rev 20:14) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.



Are you saying that the Lake of Fire will cease being the Lake of Fire? If not, what purpose will it serve after a 'limited' time?
 

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(Rev 20:14) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.Are you saying that the Lake of Fire will cease being the Lake of Fire? If not, what purpose will it serve after a 'limited' time?

An interesting point to note is that Hades cannot be the place of hell-fire since the KJV clearly says that hell itself (Hades) will be cast in to the lake of fire! How can this be so? If Hades (hell in the KJV) is fire how can it be cast into itself? See Rev 20:14 carefully and closely! The obvious meaning of the text is that "death and hell [the grave, the place of the dead] were cast into the lake of fire", that is all that is a reminder of sin will be exterminated!

Remember the Koine Greek reads differently from the KJV English translation.

And may I add...There is only one passage in the NT where fires are associated with Hades and that is in Luke 16:23. However, this passage is a Parable and so in itself cannot be regarded as doctrinally definitive.

And allow me to explain to you prism what happens after the 1000 years:

THE EVENTS AT THE CLOSE OF THE 1,000 YEARS:

Third coming of Jesus with His saints (Zechariah 14:5).
Holy city settles on mount of Olives, which becomes a great plain (Zechariah 14:4, 10).
The Father, angels, and all of the righteous come with Jesus (Revelation 21:1-3; Matthew 25:31; Zechariah 14:5).
Wicked dead raised; Satan loosed (Revelation 20:5, 7).
Satan deceives entire world (Revelation 20:8).
Wicked surround the holy city (Revelation 20:9).
Wicked destroyed by fire (Revelation 20:9).
New heavens and earth created (Isaiah 65:17; 2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:1).
God's people enjoy eternity with Christ on the new earth (Revelation 21:2-4).

God bless.
 

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Thanks, but I don't believe you answered my question.
If hell/fire/hades is temporary, what purpose will the Lake of Fire serve throughout eternity after death and hell have been cast into it?
 

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Thanks, but I don't believe you answered my question.
If hell/fire/hades is temporary, what purpose will the Lake of Fire serve throughout eternity after death and hell have been cast into it?

Your question is invalid, because an eternal lake of fire serves no purpose and is not Biblical. Hades cannot be the place of hell-fire since the KJV clearly says that hell itself (Hades) will be cast in to the lake of fire! How can this be so? If Hades (hell in the KJV) is fire how can it be cast into itself? See Rev 20:14. The obvious meaning of the text is that "death and hell [the grave, the place of the dead] were cast into the lake of fire", that is all that is a reminder of sin will be exterminated!

And may I ask you a question..Why do you punish your children? Answer: To help them stop a certain sinful behaviour. Agree? You would not forever torture another human being would you if they never had a chance to change? Yes or No?

What's the purpose of God's punishment as taught in Bible? Punishment is for CORRECTION and REDIRECTION of behavior, to align with God's law and repent! Yet with a eternal hellfire, there is no objective in it, there is no end to the punishment and no opportunity to change and repent, hence, NO objective to the punishment! I reject the idea of eternal punishment and my God and my Bible doesn't teach it.

The only purpose and objective of an eternal punishment without any opportunity to alter behaviour and repent, is PURE EVIL ACT OF REVENGE based on PURE EVIL AND HATRED. Satan would do that, but the Almighty God never would, hence, eternal torture is foreign to Bible and God.

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Read the Word of God....Do not listen to man...read the Word for yourself and seek the truth...Hell is read...the Lake of Fire is real...
 

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Your first sentence "Your question is invalid, because an eternal lake of fire serves no purpose and is not Biblical".

Is my question unbiblical or the Lake of fire?
Once again...If hell/fire/hades is temporary, what purpose will the Lake of Fire serve throughout eternity after death and hell have been cast into it?
Please answer it Scripturally and not inferentially.
 

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Read the Word of God....Do not listen to man...read the Word for yourself and seek the truth...Hell is read...the Lake of Fire is real...

God will clean the universe! You cannot enjoy heaven, if somewhere else lost children are SCREAMING constantly in total agony forever! I would NEVER love this type of god! No my God of the Bible says the lost will feel no more, sleep in death forever. Read psa 37:20 and 104:35 for starters :)

Most people here dont realise I believed in eternal hellfire for 33 years. But one day I learned the truth and embraced it.

I love God and Jesus is my Lord and Saviour and best friend! But this god i hear a lot about that supposedly will torture the lost for ever in total agony, NEVER, I would and could never accept or love and be loyal to such a god! never!

Jesus taught that the fire of Gehenna could not be quenched or put out by anyone. Isaiah said "they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame." Isaiah 47:14. Unquenchable fire is fire that cannot be put out, but which goes out when it has turned everything to ashes. Jeremiah 17:27 says Jerusalem was to be destroyed with unquenchable fire, and in 2 Chronicles 36:19-21 the Bible says this fire burned the city "to fulfill the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah" and left it desolate. Yet we know this fire went out, because Jerusalem is not burning today!

A lot of time "hell" is translated from the Greek word "Gehenna," which is another name for the Valley of Hinnom just outside the walls of Jerusalem. There the refuse and bodies of animals were cast into an eversmoldering fire to be consumed. What might escape the flames was constantly being destroyed by maggots or worms which fed on the dead bodies. Gehenna symbolized a place of total destruction. Nothing to do with an eternal hellfire place at all.

Scholars are beginning to wake up to themselves, and realising that hell is not in Bible.The original "Authorized Version" of the King James Bible contained the word "Hell" 54 times from Genesis to Revelation. The New King James Bible contained the word "Hell" only 32 times and the American Standard and New American Standard (both revisions of the KJV) only 13 times. And the NIV OT doesn't contain the word hell even once!

And there are literally scores of Bible translations which do NOT contain the word "Hell" even ONCE! That's because they were written by Scholars who LOVE the truth and have EMBRACED the truth!

Jesus' Teaching on Hell by Samuel Dawson...most of what we believe about hell comes from Catholicism and ignorance of the Old Testament, not from the Bible. This study will cause you to re-examine current teaching on hell and urge you to further study on what happens to the wicked after death.

The word "Hell" is disappearing from the pages of English Bible translations and HAS already completely disappeared from many of them.

God bless.
 

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Your question is invalid, because an eternal lake of fire serves no purpose and is not Biblical.
God bless.

Ok, just curious, how do you deal with Revelations 20:10?

basanizó: to torture
Original Word: βασανίζω
Definition: I examine, as by torture; I torment; I buffet, as of waves.

limné: a lake
Original Word: λίμνη, ης, ἡ
Definition: a lake.

pur: fire
Original Word: πῦρ, πυρός, τό
Definition: fire; the heat of the sun, lightning; fig: strife, trials; the eternal fire

hémera: day
Original Word: ἡμέρα, ας, ἡ
Definition: a day, the period from sunrise to sunset.

nux: night, by night
Original Word: νύξ, νυκτός, ἡ
Definition: the night, night-time.

eis: to or into (indicating the point reached or entered, of place, time, fig. purpose, result)
Original Word: αἰών, ῶνος, ὁ
Definition: an age, a cycle (of time), especially of the present age as contrasted with the future age, and of one of a series of ages stretching to infinity.

It sort of sounds like the writer is talking about forever...and a lake of fire....and torment.

God will clean the universe! You cannot enjoy heaven, if somewhere else lost children are SCREAMING constantly in total agony forever! I would NEVER love this type of god! No my God of the Bible says the lost will feel no more, sleep in death forever. Read psa 37:20 and 104:35 for starters :)

God bless.

You could never love this type of God? Isn't that a tad presumptuous? There is only one true God...yeah? We know Him to be all powerful, all good, all just. Now, if for some reason, that is perhaps beyond us, He deems it necessary to deal out such a punishment to people...even though is seems unfair, unjust, mean and just wrong to us...shouldn't we extend both trust and also a belief that His plans are so far beyond us it's just foolishness to try and judge them? I mean really. An all powerful, all knowing God says "this must be so" and we, with the intelligence of dust in comparison say, 'wait on, that's not fair...you can't do it like that!'
God is not human, we cannot hold him to human standards of fairness or morals. All we can do is be brokenly thankful that He has extended grace to us....because let's face it...we all deserve eternal punishment for rebelling against a holy God. We can never truly understand the kind of cosmic treason we perpetrate...what such a crime does to a completely Holy God. To understand it, to comprehend the just punishment for it....well, we'd have to be God to comprehend it, to understand it. We're not. All we can do is read scripture, and the Bible repeatedly pleads....repent, turn to Christ...don't wait, please, the consequences of not are too heavy...turn.
 

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Ok, just curious, how do you deal with Revelations 20:10?

basanizó: to torture
Original Word: βασανίζω
Definition: I examine, as by torture; I torment; I buffet, as of waves.

limné: a lake
Original Word: λίμνη, ης, ἡ
Definition: a lake.

pur: fire
Original Word: πῦρ, πυρός, τό
Definition: fire; the heat of the sun, lightning; fig: strife, trials; the eternal fire

hémera: day
Original Word: ἡμέρα, ας, ἡ
Definition: a day, the period from sunrise to sunset.

nux: night, by night
Original Word: νύξ, νυκτός, ἡ
Definition: the night, night-time.

eis: to or into (indicating the point reached or entered, of place, time, fig. purpose, result)
Original Word: αἰών, ῶνος, ὁ
Definition: an age, a cycle (of time), especially of the present age as contrasted with the future age, and of one of a series of ages stretching to infinity.

It sort of sounds like the writer is talking about forever...and a lake of fire....and torment.



You could never love this type of God? Isn't that a tad presumptuous? There is only one true God...yeah? We know Him to be all powerful, all good, all just. Now, if for some reason, that is perhaps beyond us, He deems it necessary to deal out such a punishment to people...even though is seems unfair, unjust, mean and just wrong to us...shouldn't we extend both trust and also a belief that His plans are so far beyond us it's just foolishness to try and judge them? I mean really. An all powerful, all knowing God says "this must be so" and we, with the intelligence of dust in comparison say, 'wait on, that's not fair...you can't do it like that!'
God is not human, we cannot hold him to human standards of fairness or morals. All we can do is be brokenly thankful that He has extended grace to us....because let's face it...we all deserve eternal punishment for rebelling against a holy God. We can never truly understand the kind of cosmic treason we perpetrate...what such a crime does to a completely Holy God. To understand it, to comprehend the just punishment for it....well, we'd have to be God to comprehend it, to understand it. We're not. All we can do is read scripture, and the Bible repeatedly pleads....repent, turn to Christ...don't wait, please, the consequences of not are too heavy...turn.

I have covered Rev 20:10 before but here goes again...The Koine Greek word "aionios" is used in Revelation 20:10 and also in Matthew 25:46 in case you are going to ask about that next, and has been translated forever and ever! But in Koine Greek it doesn't mean endless at all! In many cases in Bible, the word "aionios" has been used to things and events that have already ENDED, so it does not mean ETERNAL or ENDLESS. The term "for ever, eternal, everlasting" as used in the Bible, means simply a period of time, limited or unlimited. It is used 56 times in the Bible in connection with things that have already ended.

And YES there is only One True God, but many false and twisted teachings about Him, and one of those false teachings about God is that His some kind of revengeful monster that will torture the lost forever without any chance to repent...just everlasting torment and torture! I reject that god and that is not the true One and Only Almighty God of Holy Scripture! That's something Satan would do, not God, and not even most humans would do it, not even you, yet you claim God is more evil than you?

If you had a child and lets say your child stabbed you and nearly killed you and your child killed people and killed your dog and they was a very evil little kid and they were arrested, and you had ONLY 2 choices or options between putting them to sleep for ever or setting them alight and letting them burn in agony for ever if possible, which one would you choose?

You only have 2 options! Which one would you choose? Eternal sleep or eternal agony for your lost child? Imagine you had only these 2 options. Which would you choose? Could you stand back even for 2 minutes and watch your own lost child burn on fire in agony? y/n?

I would personally choose eternal sleep of course! So being evil as humans are, you truly believe our loving God would choose more EVIL than you? Eternal sleep[Death] is wages for sinners and NOT eternal agony. Please believe this wonderful truth as it will enable you to love Jesus more deeply.

Or even if your dog sinned against you, and you had 2 options! Would you put the dog on fire to see it burn in agony, or place your dog under death in unconscious sleep?

Seeing you, as sinful as you are, could NEVER sit back and even watch your own dog burn and burn in agony, how can you believe that your loving Father in heaven will burn and burn His lost children in a horrific eternal fire?

Food for thought.

God bless.
 

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I have covered Rev 20:10 before but here goes again...The Koine Greek word "aionios" is used in Revelation 20:10 and also in Matthew 25:46 in case you are going to ask about that next, and has been translated forever and ever! But in Koine Greek it doesn't mean endless at all! In many cases in Bible, the word "aionios" has been used to things and events that have already ENDED, so it does not mean ETERNAL or ENDLESS. The term "for ever, eternal, everlasting" as used in the Bible, means simply a period of time, limited or unlimited. It is used 56 times in the Bible in connection with things that have already ended.

So, I'm supposed to take your word for that...just some guy on some board, who I don't really agree with on any topic? Take your word for it when several other very reputable sources...one even called "the bible" who has been interpreted into my language by many more intelligent men than yourself, much more studied and learned...and oh yes, the Holy Spirit as well...I'm supposed to cast all that aside and take your word for it? You say "go and look up the meaning of this word...", then I say, "I have, it means this", and then you say "you looked at the wrong source...look at this site..." You see the problem...I could probably give you a website address that proves that Jesus is coming back in a space ship. My bible and my referencing sources (that I trust) say eternal...so I believe eternal.

And YES there is only One True God, but many false and twisted teachings about Him, and one of those false teachings about God is that His some kind of revengeful monster that will torture the lost forever without any chance to repent...just everlasting torment and torture! I reject that god and that is not the true One and Only Almighty God of Holy Scripture! That's something Satan would do, not God, and not even most humans would do it, not even you, yet you claim God is more evil than you?

If you had a child and lets say your child stabbed you and nearly killed you and your child killed people and killed your dog and they was a very evil little kid and they were arrested, and you had ONLY 2 choices or options between putting them to sleep for ever or setting them alight and letting them burn in agony for ever if possible, which one would you choose?

You only have 2 options! Which one would you choose? Eternal sleep or eternal agony for your lost child? Imagine you had only these 2 options. Which would you choose? Could you stand back even for 2 minutes and watch your own lost child burn on fire in agony? y/n?

I would personally choose eternal sleep of course! So being evil as humans are, you truly believe our loving God would choose more EVIL than you? Eternal sleep[Death] is wages for sinners and NOT eternal agony. Please believe this wonderful truth as it will enable you to love Jesus more deeply.

Or even if your dog sinned against you, and you had 2 options! Would you put the dog on fire to see it burn in agony, or place your dog under death in unconscious sleep?

Seeing you, as sinful as you are, could NEVER sit back and even watch your own dog burn and burn in agony, how can you believe that your loving Father in heaven will burn and burn His lost children in a horrific eternal fire?

Food for thought.

God bless.

Again, you are considering the topic one that you CAN judge. You are saying "God, you only have 2 options." "God, one option makes you a horrible monster that I reject" "God, I couldn't even stand to see my dog burn, how dare you threaten to burn anyone!" "God, you must give people a second chance to repent."

Hello! This is GOD. He doesn't need to do anything! Especially because people demand it.
How many times does it say in the OT alone that people are wicked, that we cannot help ourselves, we are evil from birth. How often does it say that the wages of sin is death...that atonement of sin requires blood. The moment Adam and Eve sinned grace leapt forth, halting that sentence of death for years, giving them time to come back to worship. The problem with today is that we are too used to grace. We start to believe that God owes us mercy.
Here's the deal. I don't know if "hell" is going to be people burning alive forever. That seems too much like human depravity. When we think "torture" we think of all the horrible things people have done to other people over the years...terrible evil. God is not capable of evil, but He is just. As I said before, we cannot conceive of the weight of our crime...therefore it's not up to us to comment on what the necessary punishment is. I believe the point the Bible strives to make is this: no matter what it is, no matter if it's the actual, physical burning or if it's just having to live with the eternal knowledge that you rejected Christ, it's something that NO ONE will want to endure. It's something that will cause people to 'wail, and gnash teeth'. It's something bad enough, and something that God, in His love didn't want for His children, that Jesus Himself to die horribly so we could avoid it. It's something that is so undesirable, that every word in the Bible is pointing to Christ, and away from it. So, does it matter what it is? Does it matter whether we deem it fair, or right in our pathetic moral standards? All that matters is that Jesus says it's bad, that we want to avoid it at all costs, and it was to save us from it that He died. That should say it all, right there.
 

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Let me say again, I don't believe in eternal hellfire. And here are the reasons:

1. It's not taught in Scripture in original languages.

2. God is not a revengeful monster who will torture the lost forever in terrible and horrendous pain that will never cease.

3. The Bible says the lost and Satan will turn to ashes and be destroyed! Heb 2:14, (Psalm 145:20); they will die (Ezekiel 18:4); they will perish (John 3:16); they will be cut off (Psalm 37:28); they will be consumed (Psalm 37:20); they will be burned up (Psalm 97:3); and they shall be no more (Psalm 37:10, Oba 1:16).

4. The Koine Greek word "aionios" is used in Revelation 20:10 and Matthew 25:46 and has been translated forever and ever! But in Koine Greek it doesn't mean endless at all! The term "for ever, eternal, everlasting" as used in the Bible, means simply a period of time, limited or unlimited. It is used 56 times in the Bible in connection with things that have already ended.

5. Immortality is the key. And only the saved will get it! Hence, the lost wont get it and will DIE and not LIVE in some fire. If people were to burn in fire forever, that would mean they are given immortality as well, but this contradicts 1Cor 15:53 and 1 John 5:12! And only the saved will have access to the tree of life in heaven! The lost wont and so hence, cannot live forever in some fire. Surely you are not claiming the lost will be given immortality and live forever without access to the tree of life?

6. Read about the city of Edom in Isa 34:6-11 It says Edom was to burn forever and never be quenched! But its NOT burning today and in fact in verse 11 it says it will be occupied again after this so called forever FIRE! The problem lies in English translations, and eternal and forever and ever, does not always mean endless in the Bible.

Is EDOM burning today? NO! English translation says forever, but the original language it doesn't say or mean forever as you can clearly see that the next verse says it will be occupied again. How is that possible if v10 was to be taken literally as eternal fire etc... Think about it!

In Isa 34:10 it says the smoke from the fire on Edom will rise forever and never be quenched! Is this smoke rising today? NO it is not as Edom is in ashes today!

7. Eternal hellfire stems from Devils first lie[Gen 3:4], then came pagan philosophy, Jewish apostasies, Catholicism then protestantism, and it's not biblical at all!

Suffice to say, in the Hebrew and Greek, Sheol[Hebrew] and Hades,Tartaroo and Gehenna[Greek] is a place of death, darkness & silence. In other words, the grave! But the English word "Hell" means an eternal burning place of agony! But in the original Hebrew/Greek, there is no such word as "hell".

God bless.
 

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And the award for brilliant dodging goes to....

Rach, I am still waiting for you to address my posts but you keep sidestepping.

Answer these questions:

1. Why will the redeemed be able to live forever? If yes, then tell me, HOW and WHY?

2. Will the gift of immortality be given to the lost, 1Cor 15:53? Yes or No?

3. Can the lost live forever without access to the Tree of Life and without having come to Christ by faith? Yes or No?

That's for starters, I await your reply.

God bless.

God bless.
 

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Rach, I am still waiting for you to address my posts but you keep sidestepping.

Answer these questions:

1. Why will the redeemed be able to live forever? If yes, then tell me, HOW and WHY?

2. Will the gift of immortality be given to the lost, 1Cor 15:53? Yes or No?

3. Can the lost live forever without access to the Tree of Life and without having come to Christ by faith? Yes or No?

That's for starters, I await your reply.

God bless.

God bless.

You're confusing me with others...you've never asked me those questions, therefore I've never attempted to answer them. Not that I suppose answering them will do any good...you'll ignore my answers and keep asking the same questions and demand why I haven't answered. Your MO is well established. But, for the sake of your future accusations being incorrect, here it goes:

1...yes, the redeemed will live forever, because Jesus says so, and because the absence of sin means the absence of death. (Matt 25:46)

2. Immortality for the lost won't be a 'gift', but the Bible does tell us they will live eternally. (Matt 25:46; John 5:29; Dan 12:2)

3. I would say that they can do whatever God tells them to do, access to tree of life or not. The Bible is clear that their punishment will be 'eternal', 'everlasting', 'forever'. If you wanna get picky over those words, that's on you and your 'special' interpretation. Every other version of scripture...Greek and non Greek, spells it out that way.

There, I've answered, but because my answers don't line up with your thoughts, I fully expect you to accuse me of dodging, and ask them again.
 

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You're confusing me with others...you've never asked me those questions, therefore I've never attempted to answer them. Not that I suppose answering them will do any good...you'll ignore my answers and keep asking the same questions and demand why I haven't answered. Your MO is well established. But, for the sake of your future accusations being incorrect, here it goes:

1...yes, the redeemed will live forever, because Jesus says so, and because the absence of sin means the absence of death. (Matt 25:46)

2. Immortality for the lost won't be a 'gift', but the Bible does tell us they will live eternally. (Matt 25:46; John 5:29; Dan 12:2)

3. I would say that they can do whatever God tells them to do, access to tree of life or not. The Bible is clear that their punishment will be 'eternal', 'everlasting', 'forever'. If you wanna get picky over those words, that's on you and your 'special' interpretation. Every other version of scripture...Greek and non Greek, spells it out that way.

There, I've answered, but because my answers don't line up with your thoughts, I fully expect you to accuse me of dodging, and ask them again.

Your post not only contradicts Jesus and the Gospel and Scripture, it is complete heresy!

God bless.
 

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Right back at ya!

Ok so instead of going in circles, let's maturely agree to disagree agreeably and agree that we believe differently and worship a different God. There is only One true God, and we both believe we worship that One true God, but we also believe that the other person worship a false god, so let's leave it at that:) I reject your god, as your god is more evil than any human ever could be and your god is a monster who will take horrific eternal revenge on the lost. I reject your god, that's all I will say.

God bless.